Vagitron Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Â Your dad wants to smoke pot b/c it helps with cancer symptoms... fine. I never said THC doesn't block pain nor did I say it doesn't have any benefits for people in your dad's shoes. I said it has bad side effects, especially long-term use. You want to keep arguing that, I'll keep pointing to the fact that you use marijuana, so I'm assuming you enjoy it, so I'm assuming you have "research bias" that is pro-marijuana. I am unbiased. Talk to me when you've worked with literally 3,000+ drug addicts/abusers, and then tell me marijuana doesn't have side effects. Not to mention, I used marijuana damn-near everyday for 6 years of my life before I straghtened myself out. I think I have an idea of what I'm talking about... Â And please, don't use your dad's illness to justify your recreational pot use... that's just classless... I wish him all the best... Pot is harmless if you aren't over doing it. I may smoke once or twice a month and at no point even disclosed my recreational use. Just like I drink a beer a couple times a month. I do either to take an edge off. I don't enjoy being impaired to the point of visible impairment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 His lawyers should be asking what's the accuracy and reproducibility at those levels? If it was the same sample and was split- they should be damn close- not almost 2 ng different. To my mind- that's enough to toss the case out. Yup... and a QC Lab was under me in a past life... What caught my attention is not so much the absolute difference in results from a split sample as it is the difference's percentage. Â As I posted earlier, were both samples even run by the same method? Most drug programs I know of use different methods. If this is the case in the NFL program then I doubt the primarily has the precision of the secondary. Also could raise questions of the limit of quantification is of the tests used. Â If this were Gordons first offense there would be a sh.it storm. If it were his first, then under the policy, we would not have heard about it. Â If I'm not mistaken cold medicine that has pseudoephedrine in it could come up positive for speed. They new that back in the 80's. Not sure about that, but it is an ingredient in the long-lasting decongestants that you now have to show ID to purchase because pseudo is a raw material for cooking meth. Â Lol why not link an article that isn't full of a bunch of opinionated bs. I stopped reading the minute I read gateway drug. For some people air is a gateway drug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I smoke it because it relaxes me, and everything is better high. Food, movies, music, sex, and being bored are examples. lol... Never thought about there being varying degrees of being bored... Â pot is not addictive, period. Physically? No. Psychologically? Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Psychologically? Well... Â yeah, i guess, if you are weak-minded person. Â we call them victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think being around 3,000 + "addicts" would make you biased. Ive smoked weed for 13 years and Ive never once felt ill or shaky when I missed a few days. I smoke it because it relaxes me, and everything is better high. Food, movies, music, sex, and being bored are examples. Ive been around plenty of daily smokers, and I feel confident in saying Ive never met a marijuana addict. The problems with marijuana come in when you mix it, or smoke it all day every day. I used to think that it and other things made everything better too. Once I quit it I found that to be untrue. For me everything is better without it. To each their own as long as it doesn't hurt others or themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I haven't smoked it in decades. I never liked the buzz, it made me tired dull and hungry. In my experience guys that smoke a lot of pot seem stupid to me. I guess it's different for different people but I have no doubt that you can develop a dependency whether you get the shakes or not. Â Anyway just because of the very reasonable doubt I'd say the right thing to do is just toss the case. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Â lol... Never thought about there being varying degrees of being bored... Â haha well if Im sitting at home bored.....Id rather be high. I guess at that time, Id no longerbe considered bored though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I used to think that it and other things made everything better too. Once I quit it I found that to be untrue. For me everything is better without it. To each their own as long as it doesn't hurt others or themselves. Without a doubt it makes certain things more enjoyable, if you tell yourself different, eat some taco bell, then get high and eat taco bell. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Give Josh Gordon a break is all I'm saying. He's making the effort. Ricky Williams' he is not. Josh cares, maybe too much for his own good in not turning his back on those that are maybe a bad influence. I love Josh, he's a good kid/young man- If you can't see that from him by now... You are blind. Â A lot of people have a lot of animosity toward Josh right now because they 'jumped to the proverbial conclusion' in their assessment of Josh Gordon's character and now have to back-track on themselves. Some people just hate to be wrong and will look to blame Josh in some other way. Â #FreeJoshGordon and let the man 'be great'. To become Great, One must first overcome obstacles and endeavors, striving to break records whilst at the same time shattering those assumptions of your perceived success. Josh has all the recipes right now to hurdle from one of life's lowest points straight to the top of the NFL's highest peak. That is why this is so important an appeal. A young man's entire life hangs in the balance. Â Please, make the right call Goodell. Let Gordon Play.... Let Gordon Play, Let Gordon Play, Let ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Without a doubt it makes certain things more enjoyable, if you tell yourself different, eat some taco bell, then get high and eat taco bell. Case closed Man although I try to resist occasionally I do love me a huge bag full of Taco Bell. I however do enjoy it more not high, like I said to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockitch Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Beating up women gets an NFLer less down time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't disagree but he's beyond his three strikes and if it were me after my first I'm doing everything in my power to avoid a second. Gordon grabbed a third and then grabbed a fourth whether it was a contact high or not. Gordon shouldn't have been around it at all and because he was it displays were his head isn't and that clearly isn't with a brown helmet on his head. He needs a life evsluation and even as a browns fan I'd want him to grab a 16 game in the hopes of keeping him on the straight and narrow long term. Give him a couple games and it will happen again. Â V, as a Browns fan, no I don't want Gordon to get the year- and not just because he's one of the top five WRs in the NFL. He gets the year- I'd say the odds are extremely high he winds up like Blackmon. It's not just the weed- it's the reckless driving, bad choice of pals, and the DUI- so if you want to take the stance he's run out of strikes- I can't disagree with you. Â But if you smoke the stuff- you have to believe in Gordon's "second hand smoke" defense no? Go sit in a car for an hour or to with your pals toking like there's no tomorrow, and the car is a cloud of smoke- you don't think it's possible anyone in the car wouldn't have a trace (and that's what Gordon registered- a trace) of THC in their system- smoking or not, if they were tested the next day? Â Oh, I TOTALLY agree- should the test get tossed, and everyone I talked to in the Lab today thought it should- too close to the artificially low cutoff and discrepant results- Goodell- who's scheduled to meet with Gordon next week needs to tell him. This is your last chance to fly right- don't mess it up. Â Give Josh Gordon a break is all I'm saying. He's making the effort. Ricky Williams' he is not. Josh cares, maybe too much for his own good in not turning his back on those that are maybe a bad influence. I love Josh, he's a good kid/young man- If you can't see that from him by now... You are blind. Â A lot of people have a lot of animosity toward Josh right now because they 'jumped to the proverbial conclusion' in their assessment of Josh Gordon's character and now have to back-track on themselves. Some people just hate to be wrong and will look to blame Josh in some other way. Â #FreeJoshGordon and let the man 'be great'. To become Great, One must first overcome obstacles and endeavors, striving to break records whilst at the same time shattering those assumptions of your perceived success. Josh has all the recipes right now to hurdle from one of life's lowest points straight to the top of the NFL's highest peak. That is why this is so important an appeal. A young man's entire life hangs in the balance. Â Please, make the right call Goodell. Let Gordon Play.... Let Gordon Play, Let Gordon Play, Let ... Â He's not making enough of an effort PG. How many times did he get busted in college? Then at least two more in the pros. Sure I had a cough. Purple Drank and booze- a losing combination for ya Josh- got a 'scrip for it? No? Tooooo bad. Just ask Joe Haden about alderral. Since Josh got busted for a DUI, I'd say the odds Josh was doing the Drank for medicinal purposes is about zero. Â PG- Ray Rice is now Gordon's best pal- at least in the court of public opinion. It will be what it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I think the fact they Goodell delayed it so he can be there is good for Josh. At least Rodger sees the seriousness of this decision. Josh's attorneys leaking info looking like a good move. Â Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I used to think that it and other things made everything better too. Once I quit it I found that to be untrue. For me everything is better without it. To each their own as long as it doesn't hurt others or themselves. Agreed  The NFL needs to use Gordon's case to realize they should increase the threshold of a positive THC test and re-think their punishments. If they don't want players around people who smoke weed, they should put that in their policy. It's not in there, so there is possibly no violation of any rule. Gordon has passed 70+ urine screens, and has been doing well since his first punishment and does seem to "want" to improve his life. He seems like a good kid who would benefit from MORE guidance and structure, not a "ban" from probably the only thing in life he can actually be proud of. If they want to take the "hard line" approach that players are responsible for what's in their body, then learn from Blackmon's troubles, and give him a suspension but allow him to remain with the team. Being in that "team" atmosphere will do more good than "banning" him. That rule is written to ENABLE people to FAIL, not to help them. It should read, "If you're in stage 3 of our program and you fail a test... then fu** off, peace!!" I would think an organization like the NFL would give people the support they need to "get better," not punishment and turning your back on them. Actually, I wonder if their policy is even legal... The Medical Board and the Pilot Authority both allow people with drug and alcohol problems an opportunity to get back on their feet, and will even give them back their license after a certain point. As somebody said before, this guy is an entertainer... this level on a drug test should have been addressed with Gordon and his team, in private, and let go. Now it's a public fiasco that is going to end up hurting all parties involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 There's no reason why the NFL should have a different threshold for anything than WADA, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 WADA you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 haha well if Im sitting at home bored.....Id rather be high. I guess at that time, Id no longerbe considered bored though. Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon. Â I think the fact they Goodell delayed it so he can be there is good for Josh. At least Rodger sees the seriousness of this decision. Josh's attorneys leaking info looking like a good move. Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh... Â If everything being said is true... If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been... If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke... Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension? How could he be expected to handle it? If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon. Â Â Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh... Â If everything being said is true... If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been... If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke... Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension? How could he be expected to handle it? If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern. To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team? Not sure what the NFL CBA allows, but it's common for US companies to pay for an employee's counseling under their EAP (Employee Assistance Program). In drug cases my company put the employee on medical leave until the program was completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Not sure what the NFL CBA allows, but it's common for US companies to pay for an employee's counseling under their EAP (Employee Assistance Program). In drug cases my company put the employee on medical leave until the program was completed. I've heard that he's allowed no interaction with the organisation, or at least that if he's banished indefinitely, Browns can't get involved in his treatment? Maybe they can't *mandate* a treatment because he's not employed by them, since his contract gets suspended for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 My official on the record prediction: Â Announcement: Sunday Penalty: 10 Games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Prediction Penatly: 8 games, 10 game checks. Announced today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 My prediction is all or nothing. They are either going to follow the letter of the law and pull him out for a full year, or they are going to say something was messed up and give him nothing. I heard that the guy Goodell selected to be present for the hearing doesn't buy into second hand smoke, so I figure it is going to be a full year ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Prediction Penatly: 8 games, 10 game checks. Announced today? won't be announced today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 won't be announced today Why not? Not saying you're wrong, just not so sure on the procedures. Here I was waiting with baited breath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 the difference with private companies and the NFL is that the NFL has a player's union who voted on all these rules, so when it comes back to bite them in the ass............. Â i didn't hear anything about a delay with gordon's precedings so i don't know why if the judgement is handed down to day why the ruling won't be released. why would they wait 2 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Presumably the ban takes effect immediately, if it's a one year thing, so he wouldn't be allowed to practise, so the team would be told immediately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Hearing to take place today after all, earlier report of it being delayed false. Â http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/josh_gordons_nfl_hearing_may_b.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I heard that the guy Goodell selected to be present for the hearing doesn't buy into second hand smoke, so I figure it is going to be a full year ban. Same guy that was the NFL's concussion guru? Â Hearing to take place today after all, earlier report of it being delayed false. Â http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/josh_gordons_nfl_hearing_may_b.html So the hearing is today and Roger is not even going to attend? I thought he sat in on the big cases. Had he wanted to attend, then the hearing could have been held in Canton. Has the emperor washed his hands? Â I had thought more of him in the past, but may have to label him Roger Dodger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Â Â Adolpho Birch serves as Senior Vice President of Law & Labor Policy for the National Football League, which is headquartered in New York, New York. Upon joining the NFLin 1997, his primary responsibility was the enforcement of the League's Collective Bargaining Agreement, which encompassed issues including player and Club contract and injury grievances, benefits matters and salary cap disputes.In his current capacity, he oversees the development, administration and enforcement of the League's policies on substances of abuse, steroids and other performance-enhancing substances and criminal misconduct. Mr. Birchalso oversees the League's player engagement efforts, which comprise a number of initiatives designed to support player and employee off-field success, focusing on continuing education, financial education, career development, career transition and clinical assistance. Today, the NFL is widely regarded as the most proactive, comprehensive and effective sports organization in dealing with these issues. Â i'm thinking it's gonna be this guy, you know the one that went on mike and mike and got hammered because he said the ray rice punishment was fair and just. Â gordon is fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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