Alkid3 Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 There has to be a better kicker that can hit field goals better than this guy. Every time he gets ready to kick I feel like he's got a 25% chance to make it from wherever. I remember him falling down getting ready to kick against the Bengals last year when they won. Cundiff looked like a fool. And still does.
thenew23 Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 I agree. This is our biggest need right now. No joke
LBC mike Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 It was our biggest need since Dawson left then we signed him like a week before our opener last year. Phil had a blocked kick today also.
Canton Dawg Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 Phil did long distance better than AT&T. Anybody else missing Brad Seely?
Alkid3 Posted September 21, 2014 Author Report Posted September 21, 2014 Billy Cundiff is known for being garbage ask the Ravens. I thought after he screwed them over he would be done. Then we picked him up. Smh. What happened to that YouTube kicker. He was pretty good. Actually anything over Cundiff
Kvoethe Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 Bironas was available. Im going to hell.
jcam222 Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 We better be calling guys in off their couches this week for try outs. What happened to Bogotay? I thought he had a good strong leg and was pretty consistent. Prior to hurting himself in the pre season last year I thought he was penciled in as our starter.
jcam222 Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 Bironas was available. Im going to hell. Really uncool. I mean WTF
Tour2ma Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 Sorry... not hanging this one on Billy. Doinked a low-snap induced, dubious spot and had a FG blocked by a superb edge rush.
bbedward Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Sorry... not hanging this one on Billy. Doinked a low-snap induced, dubious spot and had a FG blocked by a superb edge rush. No, not entirely on Billy for sure. But regardless we could use a guy who we can put on the field for 40-50 yarders.
Kvoethe Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Really uncool. I mean WTF Im a firm believer in the motto, you can make light of something and still not take it lightly. Its terrible what happened, recently married to Terry Bshaws daughter only 36 yrs old.
Alkid3 Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Posted September 22, 2014 I'm not putting the L on him. But he's garbage and has to go. Bogotay was good.
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Sorry... not hanging this one on Billy. Doinked a low-snap induced, dubious spot and had a FG blocked by a superb edge rush. Bullsh**! Hes like career 2% from 50+. Its not his fault for taking a job in the NFL but this FO needs to end his career for him. You cant dismiss this position. How many games are won by 3 or less points. How many times do you NEED 50+ to win/take a lead? Im sorry but if youre not top 5 offense and defense, you need to make it up by putting points on the board. Game 1- we dont even try a 53 yarder with NO wind, and today we doink a 50 yarder. Id be okay with one or the other over the course of an entire season, but not twice in 3 weeks... I hope we hear others coming in for tryouts during the bye week. Were not top 5 o or d, so theres going to be times we need our kicker to make a play
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Bullsh**! Hes like career 2% from 50+. Its not his fault for taking a job in the NFL but this FO needs to end his career for him. You cant dismiss this position. How many games are won by 3 or less points. How many times do you NEED 50+ to win/take a lead? Im sorry but if youre not top 5 offense and defense, you need to make it up by putting points on the board. Game 1- we dont even try a 53 yarder with NO wind, and today we doink a 50 yarder. Id be okay with one or the other over the course of an entire season, but not twice in 3 weeks... I hope we hear others coming in for tryouts during the bye week. Were not top 5 o or d, so theres going to be times we need our kicker to make a play ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1
TopDawg31 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Cundiff is no Dawson but Yount has been sending some knuckle balls to the holder as of late. Lets hope its correctable
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 You cant dismiss this position. How many games are won by 3 or less points. How many times do you NEED 50+ to win/take a lead? Im sorry but if youre not top 5 offense and defense, you need to make it up by putting points on the board. Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here... The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter? And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO...
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here... The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter? And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO... The macro level point is that he is 21.8% career for FG's 50 and up. That is well below the average for NFL kickers in the last 10 years. We need a guy that can win us close games from the 50 and its not him.
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 The macro level point is that he is 21.8% career for FG's 50 and up. That is well below the average for NFL kickers in the last 10 years. We need a guy that can win us close games from the 50 and its not him. What is the 50+ average? How does Billy stack up 40-49? 30-39? etc.?
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 What is the 50+ average? How does Billy stack up 40-49? 30-39? etc.? Here is an excerpt from a CBS news article written in 2010. I am sure its still as good or better. I will try to crunch his other numbers later but its the 50 and up that concern me. Basically Cundiff is stuck in the 70s for his long field goal ability. The rise in precision from 50 yards and greater has been especially dramatic: 1960s: 13.1 percent 1970s: 21.6 percent 1980s: 35.6 percent 1990s: 47.8 percent 2000s: 53.0 percent And this year (2010), it's better still: 55.9 percent.
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here... The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter? And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO... A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win... We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Final 8 kickers in the playoffs last year. Career stats from 50+ Steven Hauschka 7 of 13 54% Matt Prater 21 of 27 78% Stephen Gostowski 12 of 16 75% Phil Dawson 28 of 40 70% Graham Gano 12 of 18 67% Garrett Hartley 6 of 8 75% Adam Vinatieri 20 of 38 53% Nick Novak 9 of 15 60% Billy Cundiff 7 of 27 26% Kicker makes a difference. He's gotta go...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win... We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game This block was definitely not on Billy. The Doink may not be either if the hold was "off", i.e., angled improperly, laces, etc. I really cannot see the hold in the footage, but it had the distance so the contact was solid. The flight looked "funny" and that can be a sign of the hold being off. As for agreeing to disagree... I'll think about it...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 This block was definitely not on Billy. The Doink may not be either if the hold was "off", i.e., angled improperly, laces, etc. I really cannot see the hold in the footage, but it had the distance so the contact was solid. The flight looked "funny" and that can be a sign of the hold being off. As for agreeing to disagree... I'll think about it... Dont give me that "laces out" bullsh**, Jim Carey. He doinked it. And he is NOT good enough. If he stays, he costs us 2-3 more losses... 6-10 vs 9-7 because of a kicker? Could be. Did you know 20+% of nfl games have historically been decided by 3 or fewer points...
miktoxic Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers. you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday. not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week?
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers. you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday. not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week? Why not blame it on Cundiff?? We played well enough to win but he didnt convert. And yes, he missed a PAT that almost costed us a game... jeesh
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Too early to bring this one back?
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Yes... way too early... ...................overall. M.. A.. %.blk.lng 1-19... 20-29.... 30-39... 40-49....50+ 2013 Billy Cundiff CLE K 21 26 81 1 51 0-0 0 7-7 100 6-5 83 9-7 78 4-2 50 Hanging is too good for him... If there was a better Kicker out there, why isn't he already kicking for us?
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Yes... way too early... ...................overall. M.. A.. %.blk.lng 1-19... 20-29.... 30-39... 40-49....50+ 2013 Billy Cundiff CLE K 21 26 81 1 51 0-0 0 7-7 100 6-5 83 9-7 78 4-2 50 Hanging is too good for him... If there was a better Kicker out there, why isn't he already kicking for us? I dont know but if u ask the other 31 teams, none of them would trade their K for Cundiff straight up... i guarantee that
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Josh Brown or Rian Lindell would work for me I wonder how Connor Barth is doing recovering from injury, he was becoming a stud in TB And I know hes kinda old but Jay Feely is stl around How are any of these guys NOT better than Cundiff
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