The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 OK, I said that I would do an analysis of which teams have done the best and the worst when it comes to drafting QBs in the first round. I will break this down by division....plus I will go back to 1936 when the draft began instead of just starting in 1970. Here is the NFC West teams in their history. (note...the NFC West has the two teams that have move around the most) Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals: Lamar Mchan....bust King Hill.....average George Izo....bust Joe Namath....bust as far as Cards are concern as they "wasted" a 1st rd. pick on a guy that never played there Steve Pisarkewiscz....bust Kelly Stouffer....bust Tim Rosenbach...bust Matt Leinert....bust (we may have a winner for the "team with the most busts in history" award with our first entry) San Francisco 49ers Earl Morrall...solid pick John Brodie...solid pick Billy Kilmer...solid pick Steve Spurrier....a bust Jim Druckenmiller.....bust Alex Smith....average pick Seattle Seahawks Dan McGwire....bust Rick Mirer...bust. Cleveland/LA/St. Louis Rams Bobby Thomason...bust Billy Wade....average Roman Gabriel...solid pick Bill Munson...average Sam Bradford.....questionable at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here is the AFC South: New Orleans Saints: Archie Manning....solid pick Dave Wilson....bust Carolina Panthers: Kerry Collins...solid pick Cam Newton....solid pick so far Atlanta Falcons: Randy Johnson....bust Steve Bartkowski...solid pick Chris Miller...average Michael Vick....actually solid pick for them...until Matt Ryan...solid pick so far Tampa Bay Buccaneers Doug Williams....average to above Steve Young...HOF...but not for them Vinny Testaverde.....solid pick Trent Dilfer...average Josh Freeman... has to be a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurplePantyWaste Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here are the picks by teams from the NFC North: Detroit Lions Otto Graham HOF, but not for them YA Tittle HOF, but not for them John Rauch....bust John Hadl....solid pick...but not for them Pete Beathard....bust Greg Landry...solid pick Chuck Long...bust Andre Ware...bust Joey Harrington...bust Matt Stafford...solid pick so far Green Bay Packers Ernie Case...bust Stan Heath...bust Babe Parilli...solid pick, but not for them Randy Duncan...bust Don Horn...bust Jerry Tagge...bust Rich Campbell...bust Aaron Rodgers...HOF talent ( for a team with so many busts they have recovered well) Minnesota Vikings Tommy Kramer...solid pick Daunte Culpepper...solid pick Christian Ponder...bust Teddy Twatwater....too soon to tell Chicago Bears Sid Luckman HOF Frankie Albert...bust Johnny Lujack...bust Bobby Layne HOF, but not for them Bob Williams...bust Jim McMahon...solid pick Jim Harbaugh...solid pick Cade McNown...bust Rex Grossman....below average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here are the QBs for the NFC East: Dallas Cowboys: Craig Morton...solid pick Steve Walsh...bust Troy Aikman...HOF New York Giants: Travis Tidwill...bust Lee Grosscup....bust Phil Simms....solid pick Dave Brown...bust Phillip Rivers....solid pick traded for solid pick Eli Washington Redskins Sammy Baugh...HOF Jim Hardy...bust Harry Gilmer...bust Jack Scarbath...bust Ralph Giuliemi...bust Don Allard...bust Richie Lucas...bust Norm Snead...solid pick Heath Shuler...bust Patrick Ramsey...bust Jason Campbell....average Robert Griffin III....questionable (Redskins may equal or surpass Cards with their history of busts) Philadelphia Eagles Davey O'Brien...bust Frank Tripucka...bust John Reaves...bust Donovan McNabb....solid pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to playCan't do that because the Baltimore colts franchise is in Indiana :-P Just like you'd group the oilers with the titans. Just because they're the same franchises just different zip codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here are the 1st round QB draft choices for the teams of the AFC West: Denver Broncos: Tommy Maddox...bust Jay Cutler....questionable Tim Tebow...bust Kansas City Chiefs: Pete Beathard...bust Steve Fuller...bust Todd Blackledge...bust (note....Chiefs have not take a 1st round QB in over 30 years...they were so burnt apparently) Oakland Raiders: Roman Gabriel...solid pick...but not for them Marc Wilson...average Todd Marinovich...bust Jamarcus Russell...bust San Diego Chargers Marty Domres...bust Ryan Leaf...bust Eli Manning....traded for Rivers, both solid picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here are the picks of the teams from the AFC South: Houston Oiler/Tennessee Titans Dan Pastorini...solid pick Jim Everett...solid pick Steve McNair...solid pick Vince Young...bust Jake Locker....looking like a bust Indianapolis/Baltimore Colts: Cotton Davidson...bust George Shaw...bust Bert Jones....solid pick Art Schlichter...bust John Elway...HOF...but not for them Jeff George....uncatagorizable, but not a bust if career production counts Peyton Manning...HOF talent Andrew Luck....solid so far Jacksonville Jaguars: Byron Leftwich...average Blaine Gabbert...bust Blake Bortles....too soon Houston Texans David Carr average (his career production stats are better than a lot of QBs....so no, I do not count him as a bust) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Here are the 1st round QB picks of the teams of the AFC East: Buffalo Bills Jim Kelly...HOF JP Losman...bust EJ Manuel...questionable so far Miami Dolphins Rick Norton...bust Bob Griese...HOF Dan Marino...HOF Ryan Tannehill....fair, so far New York Jets: Sandy Stephens...bust Joe Namath....HOF Richard Todd...average Ken O'Brien...solid pick Ken Hobart....bust Chad Pennington...solid pick Mark Sanchez....average so far New England Patriots: Jack Concannon...below average Jim Plunkett....solid pick....but not for them Tony Eason...average Drew Bledsoe...solid pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Finally, here are the 1st round picks for the teams of the AFC North: Baltimore Ravens: Kyle Boller...bust Joe Flacco....solid pick Cincinnati Bengals: Greg Cook...injury bust Clint Longley...bust Jack Thompson...bust Wayne Peace...bust David Klinger...bust Akili Smith....bust Carson Palmer....solid pick (Bengals in running for worst history) Cleveland Browns Harry Agannis...bust Bobby Garrett...bust Mike Phipps....I want to say bust....but his career stats say average at best....go with below average Bernie Kosar....solid pick Tim Couch....below average Brady Quinn....bust Brandon Weeden...bust Johnny Manziel....jury out. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ted Marchibroda...bust Len Dawson...HOF, but not for them Terry Bradshaw...HOF Mark Malone...below average Ben Roethlisberger...HOF potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 A few factoids to glean from all this: Seattle has the highest "bust" pct at 100% with 2 for two...Mirer/McGwire.....but, they have a small sample: The teams with the really poor track record are: the Bengals.....6 out of 7 busts the Cardinals...6 out of 8 busts the Packers...6 out of 8 busts The Redskins....8 or 9 (if you count RGIII)....out of 12. The Pats have avoided having any complete bust. They are 0 for 4 in my estimation. The best at drafting first round HOF talent? The Steelers. Of 5 first round picks, 3 are HOF Caliber: Dawson/Bradshaw/BR. Next is the Dolphins with 50% HOF rate: 2 out of 4: Griese/Marino. The Redskins have drafted the most QBs in the first round in history with 12, the Lions have taken 10, and the Bears have taken 9. Longevity helps. Also: 15 teams have a "bust" rate of 50% or better of their first round QBs picks. (Including Browns who are 4 busts out of 8 picks....including JFF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play I counted the Colts as having a decent rate. Only 3 out of 8 were busts. But the success rate includes Elway/Peyton/Luck...none of whom played in Baltimore. Baltimore Colts best choice was Bert Jones....and Flacco for Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Walsh was a supplemental pick. Dallas traded Walsh to the New Orleans Saints for first, third and second round draft choices. According to Wiki, he had an 11 year career. I consider him pretty much a bust. For a long career he had very little production compared to others with similar careers At best you would say he was below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones I didn't miss a single QB drafted in the first round......everyone that was drafted since 1936 is listed. Maybe I just hadn't gotten around to everyone when you posted. Is premature ejaculation usually a problem for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career. Wish we had that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career. Wish we had that. What about the guy that started for them against the Titans when Peyton was healthy.....and a win by them would put the Browns in the playoffs, but they sat Peyton and ton of other starters and gave a game away vs. Tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 He was actually a pretty good QB. His just didnt have a strong enough arm. I thought it was amazing the Cowboys got 3 draft picks for him. BTW, nice job on the break downs. Walsh did very little in his long career. I guess maybe he was not a complete bust. Below average. He was essentially a career backup....that is about the sum and substance of him. Looking at the PFR's "Career Production Average" he got a score of 22 for his entire 11 year career. Compare say, Tim Couch. In only 5 years he had a 32 score. Or, let's compare him to his fellow Miami Fla. QB brethren: Jim Kelly had a 103 CA in 11 years Vinny had a 97 in 15 years Bernie had a 67 in just 7 years Walsh is next with that 22 score in his 11 years. George Mira had a 10 score. Funny that a lot of people think of Miami, Fla. as the "school of quarterbacks"....but in reality, that perception is based on just 3 people: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny......all of whom played on that team at the same time, Kelly as a senior, Bernie and Vinny as freshmen. Walsh was a very minor contributor to that theory....and Gino Torretta, though he won the Heisman is a big fat -0- score in the NFL CA. Even Ken Dorsey....who had only a 1 was better than Torretta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Think we can safely say EJ Manuel is a bust now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 In terms of which schools have produced the best QBs, I can only say that it is well know that Ohio St. is not one of them. The best "QB" that came out of OSU, may not have been a QB much at all: Tom Matte......in fact he only threw 42 career passes.....but he did make a famous appearance at QB in a postseason game against the Packers. No, he was a runner, with about 5000 career rush yards, and a receiver....with about 3000 career receiving yards. The best OSU QB pro was Mike Tomcsak with a 43 CA followed by Kent Graham Since it is Michigan week I will include them too. Michigan has a far better record at producing NFL QBs. Obviously, Mr. Brady is one of the best of all time he has a 145 CA Jim Harbaugh has a 78 CA Brian Griese has a 53 Elvis Grbac has a 46 (these are all higher than OSU's best...Tomscak) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 One of the best schools at producing QBs has to be Purdue with these entries adn their CAs: Drew Brees 134 Len Dawson 110 Bob Griese 104 Jim Everett 87 Jeff George 65.....with talent that should have gotten him higher Gary Danielson...48 all of these are better than OSU's best Mike Phipps...40 Kyle Orton...34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFootfungus Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Great post. A lot of work went into this data. Impressive. I don't feel so bad for the Bills when I look at the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 In terms of which schools have produced the best QBs, I can only say that it is well know that Ohio St. is not one of them. The best "QB" that came out of OSU, may not have been a QB much at all: Tom Matte......in fact he only threw 42 career passes.....but he did make a famous appearance at QB in a postseason game against the Packers. No, he was a runner, with about 5000 career rush yards, and a receiver....with about 3000 career receiving yards. The best OSU QB pro was Mike Tomcsak with a 43 CA followed by Kent Graham Um, I'll posit Art Schlichter had the best pro potential of any OSU qb, too bad compulsive gambling landed him in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Um, I'll posit Art Schlichter had the best pro potential of any OSU qb, too bad compulsive gambling landed him in jail. Potential? Sure. That is perhaps what makes him one of the 5 all time biggest QB busts of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Potential? Sure. That is perhaps what makes him one of the 5 all time biggest QB busts of all time. Hell while you're at it list the 10 biggest qb busts of all time regardless of where drafted. I'll start with Ryan Leaf and Jafattus Russell. Fill out the rest of the list with this hall of shame- I find little to argue with. You've been far to kind to Browns busts like Couch, Phipps, and Quinn. You HAVE to take into account where a player was drafted, and if you're drafted #1 overall or top 5, and don't at least have a long & productive pro career = bust in my book. Or if you gave up picks or players to get him. Care to argue at this point Trent Richardson is a big time bust- and RG III wasn't worth one first round pick, much less three? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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