Frenchie Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 OK - so it's been a rough couple of months with 5 straight L's, Shannie's exit, text-gate, dysfunction theories, suspensions, and rehab. We all get it - another frustrating turn of events for our beloved team. I just want to say that I've had enough! Not of the team, but of the following: 1) Cry babies like Shannie who not only can't keep an obligation but also hurts the team he worked for by revealing damaging information and setting this whole text-gate and dysfunction-gate in motion. I say "screw you, Crybaby, and may Karma bite you in the ass because you are as unprofessional and self-absorbed as they come." I really hope I never meet him in person because it'll be hard not to take a swing at that loser. 2) The media - acting like a bunch of vultures and just piling on. The new owner, GM and coach did really well in their first year together. We probably missed on our first round choices and made other mistakes and that'll set the team back, but instead of focusing on the positives, it's all negative and focusing anywhere but on a bright future. I agree that we can't keep making mistakes but what good comes from underscoring them in article after article. Like the press writers have ever won a Super Bowl. Most are regurgitating old information or speculating with unnamed sources just to put out tabloid-like headlines. Bottom line, I believe in this Browns group and although we may have to take a step back to go two steps forward, we fans must register our dissatisfaction to all detractors. We have to believe and support this regime and their well intended decisions. No individual or team ever succeeds without people supporting them through good times and bad. Thank you for reading and may we see better months ahead. Please feel free to join my rant, even if you see things from a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 We are used to crap. So all this stuff does not phase me. I will still watch every Sunday and drink my beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 We are used to crap. So all this stuff does not phase me. I will still watch every Sunday and drink my beer.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns52 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 OK - so it's been a rough couple of months with 5 straight L's, Shannie's exit, text-gate, dysfunction theories, suspensions, and rehab. We all get it - another frustrating turn of events for our beloved team. I just want to say that I've had enough! Not of the team, but of the following: 1) Cry babies like Shannie who not only can't keep an obligation but also hurts the team he worked for by revealing damaging information and setting this whole text-gate and dysfunction-gate in motion. I say "screw you, Crybaby, and may Karma bite you in the ass because you are as unprofessional and self-absorbed as they come." I really hope I never meet him in person because it'll be hard not to take a swing at that loser. 2) The media - acting like a bunch of vultures and just piling on. The new owner, GM and coach did really well in their first year together. We probably missed on our first round choices and made other mistakes and that'll set the team back, but instead of focusing on the positives, it's all negative and focusing anywhere but on a bright future. I agree that we can't keep making mistakes but what good comes from underscoring them in article after article. Like the press writers have ever won a Super Bowl. Most are regurgitating old information or speculating with unnamed sources just to put out tabloid-like headlines. Bottom line, I believe in this Browns group and although we may have to take a step back to go two steps forward, we fans must register our dissatisfaction to all detractors. We have to believe and support this regime and their well intended decisions. No individual or team ever succeeds without people supporting them through good times and bad. Thank you for reading and may we see better months ahead. Please feel free to join my rant, even if you see things from a different perspective. your thread is like groundhog day........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I believe these guys are doing their level best to put a winning team on the field so I support them. Even if some mistakes were made in the first year I believe these guys are smart enough to learn from the mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted February 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 your thread is like groundhog day........ Sorry, didn't mean it that way. I read Reed's last article on Cleveland.com and just had had enough. Needed a good rant. I'm better now ... Just needed another beer - LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'll add this... I would celebrate like all hell if the Browns FO would BAN Mary Kay Cabot from any Browns' facilities & training camp. Get that hypocritical, malicious gossip the hell away from our Browns! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why?!?!? Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 ^ I agree I'm sure she has, but I can't remember her ever writing anything with any positivity. The last thing this team needs is a reporter who consistently resorts to pot stirring. You're a local writer why not try to find the good things to write about instead of digging up shit to smear on your hometown team . . . We get enough shit thrown on us from the national media. I would have banned her dumbass a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The Browns will sign 2-3 big name free agents with Cameron, Gordon, Skrine, Rubin, etc all possibly being gone. They will draft 2-4 day one starters. I see this team only getting better. I hope Manziel can bounce back this offseason. Big if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 OK - so it's been a rough couple of months with 5 straight L's, Shannie's exit, text-gate, dysfunction theories, suspensions, and rehab. We all get it - another frustrating turn of events for our beloved team. I just want to say that I've had enough! Not of the team, but of the following: 1) Cry babies like Shannie who not only can't keep an obligation but also hurts the team he worked for by revealing damaging information and setting this whole text-gate and dysfunction-gate in motion. I say "screw you, Crybaby, and may Karma bite you in the ass because you are as unprofessional and self-absorbed as they come." I really hope I never meet him in person because it'll be hard not to take a swing at that loser. 2) The media - acting like a bunch of vultures and just piling on. The new owner, GM and coach did really well in their first year together. We probably missed on our first round choices and made other mistakes and that'll set the team back, but instead of focusing on the positives, it's all negative and focusing anywhere but on a bright future. I agree that we can't keep making mistakes but what good comes from underscoring them in article after article. Like the press writers have ever won a Super Bowl. Most are regurgitating old information or speculating with unnamed sources just to put out tabloid-like headlines. Bottom line, I believe in this Browns group and although we may have to take a step back to go two steps forward, we fans must register our dissatisfaction to all detractors. We have to believe and support this regime and their well intended decisions. No individual or team ever succeeds without people supporting them through good times and bad. Thank you for reading and may we see better months ahead. Please feel free to join my rant, even if you see things from a different perspective. agree 100%. i say the same thing and get called a bitch. amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 ^ I agree I'm sure she has, but I can't remember her ever writing anything with any positivity. The last thing this team needs is a reporter who consistently resorts to pot stirring. You're a local writer why not try to find the good things to write about instead of digging up shit to smear on your hometown team . . . We get enough shit thrown on us from the national media. I would have banned her dumbass a long time ago. I remember her writing something with positivity. Remember when she was being positive when she said Jason Campbell was an elite quarterback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I don't mind constructive criticism one bit. That makes you better. I hate the tearing down stuff. There is nothing positive about that. I didn't see Bernie's criticism as tearing down at all but he made specific points we need to look at if we want to improve. It was not just tearing down the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 This Browns team has all the makings of being a great team if they can just find a damn QB. Not saying they'd go to back-to-back SB by any means, but I really think our situation is similar to Seattle the year they drafted Wilson. Could that be Manziel? It doesn't look great but who knows. If Farmer and crew could finally add that huge missing piece we could be right there next year and beyond. Since I've been watching the Browns closely (about the 2003 season) this is the first year I've actually felt we are the cusp of being a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 This Browns team has all the makings of being a great team if they can just find a damn QB. Not saying they'd go to back-to-back SB by any means, but I really think our situation is similar to Seattle the year they drafted Wilson. Could that be Manziel? It doesn't look great but who knows. If Farmer and crew could finally add that huge missing piece we could be right there next year and beyond. Since I've been watching the Browns closely (about the 2003 season) this is the first year I've actually felt we are the cusp of being a good team. I suppose this is why Farmer appears to be seriously considering trading up for Mariotta. Unfortunately I don't know if that's a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 The Browns will sign 2-3 big name free agents with Cameron, Gordon, Skrine, Rubin, etc all possibly being gone. They will draft 2-4 day one starters. I see this team only getting better. I hope Manziel can bounce back this offseason. Big if. Dude manziel sucks. Get over it. Losing Skrine would be a big loss, it would set the secondary back 1-2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 My .02 would be to resign Hoyer, name him the starting QB and Manziel have to beat him out in preseason. Fill in other holes we need on defensive line, Wr. , another O lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I suppose this is why Farmer appears to be seriously considering trading up for Mariotta. Unfortunately I don't know if that's a good move. I've said before that the thing I've always really liked about Mariota is his natural ability to keep his eyes down field under pressure a lot like say Aaron Rodgers. Don't anyone take that as a comparison, but that's a talent that's really, really good but is hard to near impossible to teach. It does scare me coming from that system for sure though-but I'm starting to wonder if that's not going to be a question mark for every top QB prospect before long. He's not a day one guy by any means but the tools are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 My .02 would be to resign Hoyer, name him the starting QB and Manziel have to beat him out in preseason. Fill in other holes we need on defensive line, Wr. , another O lineman. I would like to see the Browns pull off a trade for Nick Foles. Word is the Eagles REALLY want Mariotta, so this is what I do. I trade for Nick Foles and the Eagles 1st round pick of the 2016 draft (next year) and their second-round pick of the 2015 draft and some other later round pick. In exchange, I give them our pick at # 12. Based on the draft value charts: Eagles give up: Next years # 1 (let's assume they pick ~23 next year) + Foles (assuming high 4th round value) + pick 52 + late round pick = ~1700 points pick 12 = 1600 points. Browns get a QB who had a great season in 2013 and shows promise but regressed in 2014 before his injury. They retain their 18th pick which hopefully they can shore up the D-line or right side of O-line. The eagles, on the other hand, now have enough assets to make a play for Mariotta. The Browns go into 2016 with 2 first rounders again, at which point if they STILL need a QB, there will hopefully be a better QB draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Is piling on still a penalty call? Or is it all just "unnecessary roughness" now? Anyway... it's what the media does. Feeding frenzies induced by blood in the water. AS sharks churn the water, so too do writers churn the story. Google "Cleveland Browns news" this morning and you'll find these two consecutive articles: Haslem's prints on Browns' woes - Toledo Blade-9 hours ago; and Jimmy Haslam Not the Problem, Front Office Is According to One - Dawg Pound Daily-17 hours ago Can't cover "news" more completely than "Yes, it is/ No, it isn't"... Big if. First, you need an "if" for it to be big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Anyway... it's what the media does. Feeding frenzies induced by blood in the water. and reaching epic proportions here in the Cleve......here the radio and written word no longer include "sports news". Now, they basically just report on personal issues and social networking types of things...... Good example.....the Cavs are hot and pushing for 1st place after an 11 game win streak....yet.....for 3 whole days, all day long, the news has only been focused on a Lebron "tweet"..... Seriously....being a "reporter" now just means regurgitating AP releases and scanning social media for dirt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 and reaching epic proportions here in the Cleve......here the radio and written word no longer include "sports news". Now, they basically just report on personal issues and social networking types of things...... Good example.....the Cavs are hot and pushing for 1st place after an 11 game win streak....yet.....for 3 whole days, all day long, the news has only been focused on a Lebron "tweet"..... Seriously....being a "reporter" now just means regurgitating AP releases and scanning social media for dirt..... You would think by winning games the reporting would get better but it doesn't look like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm glad Haslam stepped up on Wednesday, handled the press, and supported his guys. He also presented optimism and set the record straight on dysfunction. I would point out two errors: 1) Q do you know about what's on the texts? Hallam : "No" (which no one believes) My recommendation: I cannot comment on subjects that are currently a part of an on-going NFL investigation. 2) Q what is your response to claims that the management team is dysfunctional. Haslam: I don't think we're dysfunctional at all ... We straightened roles and responsibilities at an off season meeting and put together a winning plan. My recommendation: The dysfunctional parts of last year's management/coaching team are no longer with the team. (SLAM!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardejw Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm glad Haslam stepped up on Wednesday, handled the press, and supported his guys. He also presented optimism and set the record straight on dysfunction. I would point out two errors: 1) Q do you know about what's on the texts? Hallam : "No" (which no one believes) My recommendation: I cannot comment on subjects that are currently a part of an on-going NFL investigation. 2) Q what is your response to claims that the management team is dysfunctional. Haslam: I don't think we're dysfunctional at all ... We straightened roles and responsibilities at an off season meeting and put together a winning plan. My recommendation: The dysfunctional parts of last year's management/coaching team are no longer with the team. (SLAM!) Look at the 2014 Texans. New coaches, (one of them being former Browns HC Romeo Crennel) basically the same personnel and the 2-14 2013 team went 9-7 of course they had a J.J.Watt to whom they gave 100 mil and he earned every penny of it. 5 TD's no less. We are so much better off without Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I believe these guys are doing their level best to put a winning team on the field so I support them. Even if some mistakes were made in the first year I believe these guys are smart enough to learn from the mistakes. I agree and at this point am not convinced we really made mistakes. I haven't written off Gilbert by any means and Manziel is a toss up. I may have written him off but his checking in to rehab shows me the kid knows he has to get things straightened out. If he can get his mind right, I think he has the skill set to be a very good NFL QB, assuming we use him to his strengths and not force him in to a system that isn't his style. I look at the draft a bit differently. My feeling is if you pull out 2-3 solid players in a draft cycle...that includes UDFA players, you have done a good job. Once the player is on the team, draft position IMO goes out the window, so if your first rounder flops but your 2nd rounder studs, it's all a wash. You can take that down to a guy like Crowell who wasn't drafted. He is a solid player. He makes up for someone else. Teams have to get 2-3 solid players a draft. Where they come from doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I agree and at this point am not convinced we really made mistakes. I haven't written off Gilbert by any means and Manziel is a toss up. I may have written him off but his checking in to rehab shows me the kid knows he has to get things straightened out. If he can get his mind right, I think he has the skill set to be a very good NFL QB, assuming we use him to his strengths and not force him in to a system that isn't his style. I look at the draft a bit differently. My feeling is if you pull out 2-3 solid players in a draft cycle...that includes UDFA players, you have done a good job. Once the player is on the team, draft position IMO goes out the window, so if your first rounder flops but your 2nd rounder studs, it's all a wash. You can take that down to a guy like Crowell who wasn't drafted. He is a solid player. He makes up for someone else. Teams have to get 2-3 solid players a draft. Where they come from doesn't really matter. I haven't written off Gilbert either. Nobody could have predicted he would not live up to expectations when we drafted him. He has promised to do better next season so hopefully his actions will match what he is saying. I can overlook things if I see someone giving 100 percent and my anger with Manziel was he was paid to give us his best effort and he didn't do it. Some of that may have been his substance abuse problems and I am glad to see him going to rehab and I look forward to seeing him try again with his head in the game giving us his best effort. That is all we can ask out of someone. This club is real close to being a very good team. I keep going back to the Browns $100,000 study. it just doesn't make sense to do a study like that and not follow the recommendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency ......... Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I'm glad Haslam stepped up on Wednesday, handled the press, and supported his guys. He also presented optimism and set the record straight on dysfunction. Still catching up on all that was said, but good take on what Jimmy at least tried to do. Similar to what Kraft did prior to the Super Bowl. Our owner has said there will be no big splash in free agency ......... Which means he thinks top players would be out of their minds to even want to come to such a dysfunctional team..... saying we wont spend is a nice way of saying we suck Obviously your glass is nowhere near half-full... I read "no big splash" and think, "we've conducted our review and do not see any stars coming available that will be worth the salary they will command to us". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Ive always considered "big splash" FA signings to basically mean popular, overpaid skill player...... Example of A BIG SPLASH.....burning the whole wad on a Dez Bryant.....or.....Suh type of player....which would cause many to dance in the street.... Where I think Farmer(and the Browns) would more likely sign 3-4 journeyman players(for the same money) and fill several needs. This would get me dancing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Here is my honest opinion about these general issues: The difference between the Browns and say the Patriots, is that they have (and have had) Tom Brady and we don't. Yes....that means I don't think their owner Bob Kraft is any better of an owner than we have had in Lerner and Haslam. I think BB would have been a decent DC, but as a HC his success is fairly well much built on Brady. I don't think their scouting departments/GMs have been any better really than the Browns. So, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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