Marxist ass Obamao is a hypocrite

[calfoxwc]

he defends Muslims with this:

 

"No religion is responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence and terrorism.”

 

so, okay. Then why in the hell won't he admit that

 

"No guns are responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence" ?

 

Meanwhile, this dirtbag bottom dwelling eggsucking piece of crap is inviting more and more

illegals into our country.... as well as an open door to Syrian refugess....

 

The asinine hypothetical where "what if a president gets elected, and worked to screw up

the country with so much unrest, racial/class/violations of the Constitution/excessive taxes

on anything he sees"....

 

well, that hypothetical president would be doing everything this asswipe is doing in our WH.

 

Just sayin....

[gftChris]

why in the hell won't he admit that

"No guns are responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence" ?

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I see your point, and I've been going over this in my mind for a while now - we're quick as a society to say "it's not all muslims, only a small minority" yet we don't apply the same thought process to gun owners? It's not all gun owners, it's a small minority, after all.

The first point I'd make is why don't conservatives equate the two? If they're so sure it's the same principal, why do we get the same rhetoric that islam must be eliminated for the safety of the world?

The second point would be somewhat less flippant. Please feel free to add any areas I may have missed - obviously you have a much greater experience of gun crime than I do - but I would tentatively break gun-related deaths in to the following categories:

1) Gang wars - 'gangsters' killing each other I don't generally have a big problem with, but obviously it would be better if people didn't join gangs in the first place. After they do, I would imagine it's a requirement in many to be carrying a gun, and it's all to easy to obtain one.

2) Heat of the moment - people getting angry with a loved one, a neighbour, or some such, and reaching for something that they can use to inflict damage upon them in a fit of rage. If people have a gun, they may consider using it if their reasoning is impaired by their rage/passion. If they don't have a gun, it's not an option.

3) Killing spree - crazy people that for some reason think it's a good idea to go out killing things. Mental health checks would be a good start, but difficult to implement. So what makes people snap? Disillusionment with government/unemployment/society/whatever. There's usually a common theme among those kinds of nutjobs that causes it. Find it and try to rectify it. Trouble is it's a lot easier to say than do, and in the mean time these crazy people can just go wherever and buy guns.

4) Accidents - kid finds gun, shoots self/sibling/parent etc. Should be easy to eliminate if people are just fucking morons leaving loaded guns around the place.

5) Other Crimes - armed robbery, etc. Step 1, try to prevent the crime, obviously. But then what? People will most likely look for 'quick' fixes to get money for eternity. If they don't have a gun, there's no chance people get shot.

6) Religious fundies - similar to killing sprees, but with a clearer reason, trying to convert the world and/or eradicate the infidels. Educate them that you can't convert the world, people are free to live by their own religion. If they don't have guns...

There's a theme among most of them - if people don't have guns, people don't get shot, regardless of the reason. Religion seems to be a common reason, but it isn't the only reason. The reasoning, without a weapon that allows you to kill people quickly and efficiently as a gun does, is left impotent. And that, in my mind, is the difference between the two statements:

"No guns are responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence"

"No religion is responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence and terrorism.”

[Legacy Fan]

Have you watched any of the Isis videos chris?

 

I don't think they're shooting anyone's head off..

[gftChris]

Absolutely, ISIS needs to be eradicated. I would not shed a tear if Islam - and pretty much every religion for that matter - was removed from society at the same time. I was only responding to the question in the original post.

[gftChris]

Take away all the guns and yes, they have missiles and the rest, but for controlling people to people they wouldn't have nearly as much power. They would only be able to destroy - like the 'traditional' terrorists - whereas these people seem to want to control.

 

So I'm not sure what your point is, but ISIS having guns makes it possible for them to try to establish this caliphate.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

I borrowed this from Vapor in another thread, and think it hits the nail on the head:

 

 

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In recent days, crowds of thousands have gathered throughout the Muslim world—burning European embassies, issuing threats, and even taking hostages—in protest over 12 cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that were first published in a Danish newspaper last September. The problem is not merely that the cartoons were mildly derogatory. The furor primarily erupted over the fact that the Prophet had been depicted at all. Many Muslims consider any physical rendering of Muhammad to be an act of idolatry. And idolatry is punishable by death. Criticism of Muhammad or his teaching—which was also implicit in the cartoons—is considered blasphemy. As it turns out, blasphemy is also punishable by death. So pious Muslims have two reasons to “not accept less than a severing of the heads of those responsible,” as was recently elucidated by a preacher at the Al Omari mosque in Gaza.

The religious hysteria has not been confined to the “extremists” of the Muslim world. Seventeen Arab governments issued a joint statement of protest, calling for the punishment of those responsible. Pakistan’s parliament unanimously condemned the drawings as a “vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign” that has “hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world.” Turkey’s prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, while still seeking his nation’s entry into the European Union, nevertheless declared that the cartoons were an attack upon the “spiritual values” of Muslims everywhere. The leader of Lebanon’s governing Hezbollah faction observed that the whole episode could have been avoided if only the novelist Salman Rushdie had been properly slaughtered for writing “The Satanic Verses.”

Let us take stock of the moral intuitions now on display in the House of Islam: On Aug. 17, 2005, an Iraqi insurgent helped collect the injured survivors of a car bombing, rushed them to a hospital and then detonated his own bomb, murdering those who were already mortally wounded as well as the doctors and nurses struggling to save their lives. Where were the cries of outrage from the Muslim world? Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam.” But draw a picture of the Prophet, and pious mobs convulse with pious rage. One could hardly ask for a better example of religious dogmatism and its pseudo-morality eclipsing basic, human goodness.

It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. The demographic trends are ominous: Given current birthrates, France could be a majority Muslim country in 25 years, and that is if immigration were to stop tomorrow. Throughout Western Europe, Muslim immigrants show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmost—demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques. Political correctness and fears of racism have rendered many secular Europeans incapable of opposing the terrifying religious commitments of the extremists in their midst. In an effort to appease the lunatic furor arising in the Muslim world in response to the publication of the Danish cartoons, many Western leaders have offered apologies for exercising the very freedoms that are constitutive of civil society in the 21st century. The U.S. and British governments have chastised Denmark and the other countries that published the cartoons for privileging freedom of speech over religious sensitivity. It is not often that one sees the most powerful countries on Earth achieve new depths of weakness, moral exhaustion and geopolitical stupidity with a single gesture. This was appeasement at its most abject.

The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is so—it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nations’ Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.

Our press should report on the terrifying state of discourse in the Arab press, exposing the degree to which it is a tissue of lies, conspiracy theories and exhortations to recapture the glories of the seventh century. All civilized nations must unite in condemnation of a theology that now threatens to destabilize much of the Earth. Muslim moderates, wherever they are, must be given every tool necessary to win a war of ideas with their coreligionists. Otherwise, we will have to win some very terrible wars in the future. It is time we realized that the endgame for civilization is not political correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.