Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I will not be calling them ISIS as that is what they want everyone to call them so they can sound legit. Daesh is what they are called in the ME and it is a deragatory term. In any case, I can't believe I'm going to use Cal's favorite word to agree with him but isn't it extremely hypocritical that the leader of the country that started the war on terror refuses to back its ally when it attacks the terrorists? http://popist.com/s/6cc23a8/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I will not be calling them ISIS as that is what they want everyone to call them so they can sound legit. Daesh is what they are called in the ME and it is a deragatory term. In any case, I can't believe I'm going to use Cal's favorite word to agree with him but isn't it extremely hypocritical that the leader of the country that started the war on terror refuses to back its ally when it attacks the terrorists? http://popist.com/s/6cc23a8/ Yes it is indeed. Makes you wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Didn't we already have a thread about this? Where you, Os, pointed out that muslim countries were doing more than the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Didn't we already have a thread about this? Where you, Os, pointed out that muslim countries were doing more than the US? No, the thread was about something else, I think, but a similar convo was had once it went off topic. Anyway, so what? We have dozens of threads about global warming and guns rehashing the same debate. This at least is slightly less-trodden territory and worth discussing. Why is the USA refusing to back allies fighting Daesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 No one can explain what Barack Obama is up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 With my sunshine and daisies hat on, maybe the US is trying to give middle east countries just enough to get started, then let them lead the attacks themselves, while not getting the US embroiled in another overseas war that would see potentially large commitments of US resources for a long time. With my cynical hat on, I have no idea what there is to gain by not at least sharing intelligence, or condoning attacks on a common enemy. Perhaps the US is, as the kids say, 'butthurt' that Egypt carried out an attack without giving them a heads up and this is their way of showing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 With my sunshine and daisies hat on, maybe the US is trying to give middle east countries just enough to get started, then let them lead the attacks themselves, while not getting the US embroiled in another overseas war that would see potentially large commitments of US resources for a long time. With my cynical hat on, I have no idea what there is to gain by not at least sharing intelligence, or condoning attacks on a common enemy. Perhaps the US is, as the kids say, 'butthurt' that Egypt carried out an attack without giving them a heads up and this is their way of showing it? You may be right. Obama wants to let everyone know that he is the boss: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/19/pentagon-claims-no-advance-warning-egyptian-airstrikes-against-isis-in-libya/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 The USA is on course to lose Egypt as an ally, and Russia is swooping in to take advantage of this as the two countries just agreed to a deal for Russian Migs as well as a nuclear energy plant. http://www.voanews.com/content/egypt-russia-sign-military-economic-deals-and-nuclear-accord/2637301.html Also, Egypt has made a deal with France for 24 Rafale fighter jets to send a message to the USA. http://www.france24.com/en/20150216-france-egypt-sign-deal-sale-rafale-fighter-jets/ These are all pretty strong signs of shifting power dynamics in the ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, I figured Obamao would turn his back on Israel when he became president, but not working with Egypt and Jordan...that's astounding cowardice. There are a few explanations I think - one possibility, is that Obamao voted "present" 128 times as a senator, and is a coward to make any decision that isn't in his Napoleonic quest for marxism. Another is, he is actively ruining America's reputation and standing in the world, because he sees his "exaulted self" as a global poor black peoples' savior of sorts. Why would a president want to "fundamentally transform" his own country? Would you want to "fundamentally transform" your other half before you fell in love and married? Would you buy a new car that you wanted to change it into a completely different car to your liking? This dirtbag in our WH makes no sense at all, unless he is the leader of a subculture of people who dream of some warped marxist utopia that has never existed, and can never exist. Something like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Seems strange since the news wire is reporting how Obama is seeking congressional approval for military action against them. On another note how do you feel about Egypt partnering with Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Every day Russia does something to piss me off more. 'Allying' with Egypt isn't one of those things though - egypt isn't going to take any shit from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 In other news, when people talk about wanting to see common muslim people 'do something' is this what they have in mind? http://www.timesofisrael.com/norwegian-muslims-volunteer-to-protect-synagogue/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Every day Russia does something to piss me off more. 'Allying' with Egypt isn't one of those things though - egypt isn't going to take any shit from them. Russia/Soviet Union have a long history of cooperation with Egypt: http://www.egypt.mid.ru/eng/hist/Index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 In other news, when people talk about wanting to see common muslim people 'do something' is this what they have in mind? http://www.timesofisrael.com/norwegian-muslims-volunteer-to-protect-synagogue/ Right. They will protect it, then destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 70 years isn't that long. Scotland has a history of cooperation with france going back about 1200 years, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well, you were acting like it just happened. Its been going on for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Fair enough - even less reason to be bothered I guess, nothing new happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 More concerned by this right now http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/19/raf-scrambles-jets-after-russian-bombers-spotted-near-cornwall-coast Not the first time this year they've had to be 'escorted' away from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 More concerned by this right now http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/19/raf-scrambles-jets-after-russian-bombers-spotted-near-cornwall-coast Not the first time this year they've had to be 'escorted' away from here. Russia is becoming the old Soviet Union again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Seems strange since the news wire is reporting how Obama is seeking congressional approval for military action against them. On another note how do you feel about Egypt partnering with Russia? As Diehard noted, Egypt had partnered with Russia in the 60s/70s, and I don't think that went very well for Egypt. My father used to say the equipment the Russians gave Egypt in the used to break down all the time. In any case, Egypt became a US ally as a result of that and the Camp David Accords. All the new events I posted above show pretty clearly that the pendulum is swinging back toward Russia. So personally I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I'm an American and an Egyptian and I always want to see the two countries have strong relations. On the other hand, I'm aware that the aid that the USA gives Egypt is structured in such a way that it ultimately comes back to the USA. USA gives Egypt money, and Egypt has to spend it on military equipment. What the Russian alliance offers Egypt is a solution to a serious energy problem that impacts all Egyptians. The global context of such a deal is that it should be obvious to everyone that Putin intends to resurrect the Soviet Union and is doing it by rebuilding old Soviet Union alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 As Diehard noted, Egypt had partnered with Russia in the 60s/70s, and I don't think that went very well for Egypt. My father used to say the equipment the Russians gave Egypt in the used to break down all the time. In any case, Egypt became a US ally as a result of that and the Camp David Accords. All the new events I posted above show pretty clearly that the pendulum is swinging back toward Russia. So personally I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I'm an American and an Egyptian and I always want to see the two countries have strong relations. On the other hand, I'm aware that the aid that the USA gives Egypt is structured in such a way that it ultimately comes back to the USA. USA gives Egypt money, and Egypt has to spend it on military equipment. What the Russian alliance offers Egypt is a solution to a serious energy problem that impacts all Egyptians. The global context of such a deal is that it should be obvious to everyone that Putin intends to resurrect the Soviet Union and is doing it by rebuilding old Soviet Union alliances. And me and Osiris agree again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 And me and Osiris agree again! The end-times must be coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 do you believe in seperation of church and state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 do you believe in seperation of church and state? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Iraq, since getting out of Iraq was one of his main political promises to get elected, but at this point its time to go in full force(more than what is on the table for congress to sign off on). Think I will start using Daesh instead of ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think Obama doesn't want to send more troops to Iraq, since getting out of Iraq was one of his main political promises to get elected, but at this point its time to go in full force(more than what is on the table for congress to sign off on). Think I will start using Daesh instead of ISIS. Yeah, I can see not wanting to send more troops, but refusing to even condone an ally attacking Daesh? C'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Yeah Obama could still give his endorsement of Egypt's missions into Libya without committing any military personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Posted Yesterday, 12:32 PM DieHardBrownsFan, on 19 Feb 2015 - 11:26 AM, said: And me and Osiris agree again! The end-times must be coming. Os ******************************************** Big serious trouble. I just keep tellin ya'll, Big....Freakin....Serious....Trouble....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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