BaconHound Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 So who in the State Department wants to see US troops shooting Muslims and Negroes on Al Jazeera and the cover of The New York Times? let's see a show of hands. nobody? That's why.. WSS Nobody wants to see the loss of life at the hands of US troops but when you look at the example of Rwanda, Darfur and even Kosovo being reactive is not the best plan. The hesitation to conflict isn't simply a State Department issue, when it comes to military action everyone on Capitol Hill wants their own agenda to be supported as we are seeing with the call to action against the Islamic State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 There is no genocide happening in Israel. There is a ground and air war between two factions, Israel has proven time and again they are quite capable of defending themselves. For the populus to call for declarations of support for a country that doesn't need it while ignoring the Boko Haram situation in Africa speaks volumes to what type of foreign policy our citizens truly care about. so what exactly do "our citizens" truly care about? Boehner and crew slap the potus in the chops with an end around showing - of how the right wing does politics.... Netanayhu included and then follows up with a limp dick on DHS funding... sigh but foreign policy? seriously have you been waiting tooo long? lines, big stick? jv team? no? so yo lefty - get back to us in 2016 - then the conservatives will put the balls back in the WH and the Iranian mullahs will go screaming back into the dunes with their asses on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BaconHound Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 so what exactly do "our citizens" truly care about? Boehner and crew slap the potus in the chops with an end around showing - of how the right wing does politics.... Netanayhu included and then follows up with a limp dick on DHS funding... sigh but foreign policy? seriously have you been waiting tooo long? lines, big stick? jv team? no? so yo lefty - get back to us in 2016 - then the conservatives will put the balls back in the WH and the Iranian mullahs will go screaming back into the dunes with their asses on fire... Back to the boxes again. Our citizens care about the foreign policy Fox News and CNN sell them, typically fueled by pundits looking to make sure we know who we should be scared of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FairHooker11 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Back to the boxes again. Our citizens care about the foreign policy Fox News and CNN sell them, typically fueled by pundits looking to make sure we know who we should be scared of. maybe in your world - the media is your oyster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 The best part of this is the irony. I really hope you are 25 because if you are old enough to remember Reagan you'd remember his administration illegally sold arms to Iran....haha thanks for the laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Now we're back to dissing REAGAN? with no discussion of Obamao and his using the IRS, the FBI/HOLDER INJustice dept, OSHA, the EPA, the BLM, and the BATF as political weapons.... and trading 5 sicko terrorists for a deserter ??????, and "Fast and Furious", Lerner Emailgate, etc etc etc etc... and we have to diss Bush and Reagan? sad. Reminder ..... ObaMao has been president for SIX FREAKING YEARS. The arms for hostages to iran? no political advantage, paid a political price for doing the right thing. Obamao is too corrupt to do that, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 In all fairness, FairHooker brought Reagan into it and coupled it with the picture of the Ayatollah. Bacon just responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 The best part of this is the irony. I really hope you are 25 because if you are old enough to remember Reagan you'd remember his administration illegally sold arms to Iran....haha thanks for the laugh well I was about that back in 85 during that famous "scandal" Iran-Contra sale of arms to Iran moderates ( heres your clue and please pay attention) It wasnt to the ayatollah..... but factions to overthrow the wacked mullah dont piss off Oliver North with mishandling the facts.... Note the date, 1985, the hostages were in Lebanon. money to go to fund contra rebels in Nicaragua... in the scale of such "scandals" compared to the Total mishandling of the situation now in the ME, the irony is how a corrupt scandal ridden administration goes on in its ineptitude foriegn policy and calls itself capable of negotiating a nuclear deal with the mullahs. yea right. your veiled allegiance to Barry is admirable though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 In all fairness, FairHooker brought Reagan into it and coupled it with the picture of the Ayatollah. Bacon just responded. and bacon needs to also know that it was during Reagans inaugral in 1981 when suddenly the hostages held in Iran were released ... hmmm coincidence? go back through the Carter years, cal can tell you that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 compared to what we got as leadership in WH give me a Ronald Reagan conservative type in 2016, otherwise as the last chance this country will EVER have to correct its course but dont let that piss you dissenters off too much coming from a tea party conservative as myself when all is said and done looking back 10 years from now- if we even get that, this was a warning that went unheeded by the now wholely progressive corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle, and the low info / useful idiots / wheres my free shit voting block gets... that means you too woody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Is it just me but the post 9/11 mantra has been, "the US will not negotiate with terrorists". Not only did the Reagan administration negotiate, they illegally circumvented Congress to bribe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 REGISTERED 947 posts Posted Today, 09:42 PM Is it just me but the post 9/11 mantra has been, "the US will not negotiate with terrorists". Not only did the Reagan administration negotiate, they illegally circumvented Congress to bribe them.bacon ***************************************************************** seriously? Go look it up....check the years Reagan was president, then go look up what year 9/11 happened..... and then quietly and serenely wonder how idiotic your post is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Is it just me but the post 9/11 mantra has been, "the US will not negotiate with terrorists". Not only did the Reagan administration negotiate, they illegally circumvented Congress to bribe them. Quit smoking that whacky weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 REGISTERED 947 posts Posted Today, 09:42 PM Is it just me but the post 9/11 mantra has been, "the US will not negotiate with terrorists". Not only did the Reagan administration negotiate, they illegally circumvented Congress to bribe them.bacon ***************************************************************** seriously? Go look it up....check the years Reagan was president, then go look up what year 9/11 happened..... and then quietly and serenely wonder how idiotic your post is. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-iran/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 What's your take on the claim that the arms sales were to a moderate faction in Iran more sympathetic to the US? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Also Congress eventually reversed the decision about funding the Contras. Which should mitigate any anger over pardons. no? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 What's your take on the claim that the arms sales were to a moderate faction in Iran more sympathetic to the US? WSS Also Congress eventually reversed the decision about funding the Contras. Which should mitigate any anger over pardons. no? WSS I think the sale of arms to Iran facilitated a better relationship with a more US friendly as well has the transfer of US hostages. That really isn't my point. My point has always been the context by which we evaluate our leaders and there is a skew that seems to be very pervasive in this forum. A President who facilitated the sale of arms to a terrorist state, against the will of the US Government, while lying to the US people is deified and a Presidential candidate is being vilified for using a personal e-mail account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-iran/ dont you love the smell of lessons learned from watergate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Bacon is just another lib who won't talk about Obamao scandals...etc. Really boring. As in, just another bit of political crap thrown against the wall, to hide the fact, that Obamao/hillary have been covering up the Benghazi scandal desperately.... and, Obamao didn't send arms for hostages, he traded FIVE TOP VICIOUS TERRORISTS OUT OF GITMO FOR>>> a deserter. But bacon won't talk about that. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Iran contra. It's giving comfort and support to terrorists groups, and trying for a "treaty" with Iran while excluding Congress like, again, a stupid ass marxist dicktater. That bothers me. And working, hook and crook, to weaken our 2nd Amendment. And any "agreement" would be stupidass with Iran, because they will take the goods they receive, and just go underground, with accelerated vigor, with their nuke plans, exactly like the soviets did, with the treaty that barred the development of offensive bio weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Yep. The lefties still love that Jane Traitor bitch Fonda laughed while posing on a viet cong anti aircraft gun. And they cheered Pelosi when she defied the Bush admin, and went and personally met with Assad. Oh, and the Kennedy thing. Really, Bacon? gripe on this: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/11/while-dems-are-complaining-about-gop-senators-letter-to-iran-guess-what-ted-kennedy-did-in-1983/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Actually, it was the cowardice of the Iraq soldiers in the south, that bolted and ran for cover, that ditched it all. Not ready, Obamao made sure of that. so after the the results of our Iraqi War games, why do you think the U.S. will have any measurable success here? What is the U.S. Middle East Track record? Grim at best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Bacon is just another lib who won't talk about Obamao scandals...etc. Really boring. As in, just another bit of political crap thrown against the wall, to hide the fact, that Obamao/hillary have been covering up the Benghazi scandal desperately.... and, Obamao didn't send arms for hostages, he traded FIVE TOP VICIOUS TERRORISTS OUT OF GITMO FOR>>> a deserter. But bacon won't talk about that. Personally, I didn't have a problem with Iran contra. It's giving comfort and support to terrorists groups, and trying for a "treaty" with Iran while excluding Congress like, again, a stupid ass marxist dicktater. That bothers me. And working, hook and crook, to weaken our 2nd Amendment. And any "agreement" would be stupidass with Iran, because they will take the goods they receive, and just go underground, with accelerated vigor, with their nuke plans, exactly like the soviets did, with the treaty that barred the development of offensive bio weapons. I'm more than willing to discuss any action for which President Obama or his cabinet have been indicted by a grand jury, tried and convicted. If you want to discuss Benghazi for which no indictments came out but I'm probably guessing that you are simply going to say that it's a Democrat Liberal Conspiracy cause that's easier than arguing with actual facts. BTW the current President had enemy #1 Osama Bin Laden killed on his watch without trading anything to terrorists. And as a side note the bolded statement above is exactly what the Reagan Administration did during Iran-Contra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 A country isn't a "terrorist group". And, why spout off about Reagan or Bush, then, since they were never "indicted and tried and convicted". As usual, your own criteria is rife with hypocrisy. And, learn some stuff about that bin laden raid. The wheels were set into motion for months by Bush, long before Obamao was ever elected, he put the works into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54247.html But go ahead, as usual, you libs bitched and bitched and bitched that stupid Bush should never have concentrated on just a meaningless figurehead - that bin laden wasn't the problem. Yeah, and now gloat that bin laden was wiped out after obamao was pres. hypocritical idiots. Liberalism is a mental disorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 A country isn't a "terrorist group". And, why spout off about Reagan or Bush, then, since they were never "indicted and tried and convicted". As usual, your own criteria is rife with hypocrisy. And, learn some stuff about that bin laden raid. The wheels were set into motion for months by Bush, long before Obamao was ever elected, he put the works into pla The arms were meant to appease a "moderate" faction within Ayatollah's regime, so I guess we can take that for what it's worth. I mentioned their administrations, not them personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54247.html But go ahead, as usual, you libs bitched and bitched and bitched that stupid Bush should never have concentrated on just a meaningless figurehead - that bin laden wasn't the problem. Yeah, and now gloat that bin laden was wiped out after obamao was pres. hypocritical idiots. Liberalism is a mental disorder For probably the last time. I have yet to attempt to paint you into a descriptive box so I'd appreciate the same consideration. I did not name Bin Laden as enemy #1 I just think that for a solid 5 years, at minimum, public perception was that way. Post 9/11 I supported the invasion of Afghanistan and was probably wrong but like most 25 year old Americans my anger got the best of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 so after the the results of our Iraqi War games, why do you think the U.S. will have any measurable success here? What is the U.S. Middle East Track record? Grim at best? We have the best trained fighters in the world. They are hamstrung with bullshit ROE and not allowed to do what we trained them to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryfine Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Is it just me but the post 9/11 mantra has been, "the US will not negotiate with terrorists". Not only did the Reagan administration negotiate, they illegally circumvented Congress to bribe them. Don't blane Reagan. He was senile. Nancy was calling the shots using tarot cards, that is when she was not giving blowjobs to visiting celebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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