heckofajobbrownie Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 5. Cleveland Browns (4-12) Kiper pick: B.J. Raji -- Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Orakpo left the combine as the top hybrid DE/OLB in the 2009 class. His pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched just 17 sacks in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Both have Curry going at #3 and Crabtree still available at #5. Raji apparently looked great today at his pro day. The Packers' scouting director said that he's now a top five pick, though I'm wondering if character concerns could change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sez.EJ Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate these hybrid picks... pick a guy who will play the same position.. I am tired of projects... I want production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 On the field, though, I don't worry about Raji busting. I do worry about Orapko busting. And I don't think Crabtree has either concern. That's why I think he's the safer pick. Then Raji. Then Orapko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 On the field, though, I don't worry about Raji busting. I do worry about Orapko busting. I'd agree with that. I might worry about Raji getting suspended, but Orakpo's probably just as likely to miss games due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole644 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate these hybrid picks... pick a guy who will play the same position.. I am tired of projects... I want production Couldn't agree more. Its reasons like that I hate the 3-4. Its seems the "best" players never "fit" the scheme. That and we have been so bad while running it I'm probably a bit biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 On the field, though, I don't worry about Raji busting. I do worry about Orapko busting. And I don't think Crabtree has either concern. That's why I think he's the safer pick. Then Raji. Then Orapko. Could not agree more, heck. Other than Curry (who we have almost no realistic shot at drafting) Crabtree and Raji, in that order, would be my picks. Though they don't exactly fill an "area of dire need," I think they are the BPA and relatively safe picks. When Kiper compared Crabtree to Andre Johnson on SportsCenter, I got "excited." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch98 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Both have Curry going at #3 and Crabtree still available at #5. Raji apparently looked great today at his pro day. The Packers' scouting director said that he's now a top five pick, though I'm wondering if character concerns could change that. Whats wrong with his character? He seemed like a pretty confident, calm and collected guy at the combine when they had him at the commentating booth. I haven't read much about Raji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snatch98 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate these hybrid picks... pick a guy who will play the same position.. I am tired of projects... I want production It's all about the front office knowing what the f*ck they're doing. The Savage lovers are now savage haters and for good reason. It seems like you have a much better FO in place so I wouldn't rule out the "Hybrids" the Steelers have had more than enough good fortune with the "hybrid" player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate these hybrid picks... pick a guy who will play the same position.. I am tired of projects... I want production Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Whats wrong with his character? He seemed like a pretty confident, calm and collected guy at the combine when they had him at the commentating booth. I haven't read much about Raji. There are reports that he failed multiple drug tests while at BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaak Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I hate these hybrid picks... pick a guy who will play the same position.. I am tired of projects... I want production That's a huge problem dude, considering that most of the top college prospects do not play in a 3-4 defense. That being said, 99% of the college players even in consideration for the draft would be considered "projects" in this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Right. If you thought Orapko was the next Demarcus Ware I don't think you'd be too worried that they both played DE in a 4-3 in college. Most everyone has to make the transition. But it's like learning a new sport or something. They can manage if they have the necessary skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 That's a huge problem dude, considering that most of the top college prospects do not play in a 3-4 defense. That being said, 99% of the college players even in consideration for the draft would be considered "projects" in this system. This is true....But some are bigger projects than others. This is why I worry about Orakpo and consider him a bigger LB project than other ends such as Connor Barwin. Orakpo has played DE his entire life. He did play some TE in High school but he's basically been a DE since he his freshman year in high school. Barwin on the other hand was a TE and special teams guy who didn't start playing DE until his senior year in college. He's going to be much more accustomed to playing in space than an Orakpo. He's not a life long DE. He's an athlete who even played for Cincy's basketball team. Heck, he even played QB in WildDawg formations for his High school team. I think he's a better all around athlete and thus may not be as big a project as Orakpo could be in the switch from DE to OLB. Orakpo could end up being a great LB just as Gohlston still may end up being a great LB. But you better be ready for some serious growing pains for awhile because these guys may go out there and be completely lost for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 There are reports that he failed multiple drug tests while at BC. Beating women in a huge red flag. Armed robbery is a huge red flag. Smoking pot isn't IMO. I'd hate to pass on another Warren Sapp because the dude got baked in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Right. If you thought Orapko was the next Demarcus Ware I don't think you'd be too worried that they both played DE in a 4-3 in college. Most everyone has to make the transition. But it's like learning a new sport or something. They can manage if they have the necessary skills. Biggest difference there is Ware ran a 4.56 at the combines. Orakpo runs a 4.7. Ware beched 430 lbs while Orakpo benched 515 lbs. I think they are two very different type of DE to OLB projects. Orakpo is less finess and more pure strength. Much like a Vernon Gholston. Their skills are actually much different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 The way Raji stormed the commentators booth at the combine, and then proceeded to give Mayock attitude about Mayock's calling him out at the Senior Bowl... seemed a tad egotistical. I think he thinks very, very highly of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Exactly. I think they put the figures at something like 70% of the NBA smokes weed. I could give two shits less about that, it's a non issue for me, as long as he's not showing up to practice or games high I could care less. It's the same as having a few beers after work. As long as it just weed and stays weed only. As the cash comes rolling in these guys have been known to fall in love with cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NebBrownsFan Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Beating women in a huge red flag. Armed robbery is a huge red flag. Smoking pot isn't IMO. I'd hate to pass on another Warren Sapp because the dude got baked in college. But it does become an issue if he continues to do it, and with the history, he'll probably be tested more often and get suspended easier and longer. Doesn't do any good to be Warren Sapp if you can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 But it does become an issue if he continues to do it, and with the history, he'll probably be tested more often and get suspended easier and longer. Doesn't do any good to be Warren Sapp if you can't play. Yeah, that's a big issue. Plus, you don't want a guy who's had trouble keeping his weight down getting the munchies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aloysius Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 The way Raji stormed the commentators booth at the combine, and then proceeded to give Mayock attitude about Mayock's calling him out at the Senior Bowl... seemed a tad egotistical. I think he thinks very, very highly of himself. I've heard from someone who's spoken to him personally that he does indeed give off that impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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