SkippinTurtles Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Seems near impossible. If not, which way would you lean? I'd go D, because quality free-agent WR's and RB's are available every off-season. Great Defenses Punish, and punishing defenders who don't commit penalties and stay out of jail during football season are hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 To answer your question, no. The key is to have key players that make you not need to be loaded at other positions. Ex. The Seahawks have a very mediocre OL but they fielded the number one rushing offense in the league. Why? Wilson, Lynch. The Pats are often average in many offensive spots, but their offense will never be bad with Brady. If it's possible, it would have to be: A. In a quarterback's rookie contract B. Rookie contracts in as many places as possible. Guys that just pan out immediately AND/OR C. Have several guys that were cheap free agents but just thrived in a new place/scheme Even if you did pull it off it wouldn't last long at all. Not just because you won't be able to pay them but because even if we stipulate you CAN be loaded on both sides, you definitely won't also have a loaded bench. And guys will get hurt, rendering you yet again "unloaded," so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andeftw Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Combine the Packers' offensive cap for 2015 (58 million) with the Seahawks defensive cap (75 million) and you are on the books for 133 million, which is 10 less than the 2015 cap. Considering the combination of the two teams would have plenty of well rewarded players (Rodgers, Nelson, Cobb, Sitton, Bulaga, Lang) on offense as well as defense (Bennet, Avril, Sherman, Thomas), it definitely seems like having both a loaded offense and a loaded defense is possible. The issue with maintaining a competitive roster with such highly priced players is acquiring depth through the draft and underrated free agents, which both the Seahawks and Packers have been able to do effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 I remember listening to Bill Bullychuck waaaayyy back when and he was describing his theory on players and how he wanted to build a consistent winner....he basically said: There are A-B-C and D players, both in talent and in cost....and he wanted all B or C type players who could play well as a team and not be reliant on any one or 2 "A" type players(stars)..... The theory is that, because of salary structure, for every A you have, you'll also end up with a D.....and if your A goes down, there is no one to fill the gap(xcpt a D).....and, though you may have a star who can make the big splash plays, you also will have a weakness that gives them up at an equal rate..... But if you have all C and B types, there is rarely a drop off....and the talent is much more balanced. IE....some stars and some shit are not as good as consistent average across the board.... So, that is why you rarely see them signing the big $ FA.....and, when they do, it's a very selective process to fill a specific need(like renting Revis for a year)(which worked out pretty well).... I think Farmer has similar views....solid talent across the board wins......while huge dollar superstar FA's rarely turn a team from bad to good(and "cost" you somewhere else)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Short answer - yes, hit on every draft pick for 3 years, have everyone on their rookie contract (including QB), and you've got 20-30 starters. Or, hit on half of those, get some star veterans, some other vets that fit the system perfectly. Not impossible, just damn near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchTits Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 You can, but it isn't maintanable. Landing quality players in the draft is a start. You can keep them for 4-5 years relatively on the cheap. If you can also bring in young guys who maybe haven't had the chance to be much more then depth at another team, you can also find a gem or 2. I think it has more to do with players who want to be with your team. As for Cleveland, we are not a real good landing spot. Poor weather, smaller market, etc. We just don't have the draw. However if we could build a consistent winner, then maybe some day we could be considered a "quality" place for free agents so we don't have to throw money at them as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 As others alluded to what makes a team Super Bowl great on both sides of the ball is hitting on later round draft picks. The classic example right now is Russell Wilson and before him Richard Sherman. When you get elite level talent in the later rounds it means until they are due money (3-4 years later) a team can sign that big FA to a 3 year deal and have this underpaid star AND the already elite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 As others alluded to what makes a team Super Bowl great on both sides of the ball is hitting on later round draft picks. The classic example right now is Russell Wilson and before him Richard Sherman. When you get elite level talent in the later rounds it means until they are due money (3-4 years later) a team can sign that big FA to a 3 year deal and have this underpaid star AND the already elite player. Add in Michael Bennett who was an undrafted free agent and was paid on a 1 year contract the year the Seahawks won the Superbowl even though he caused chaos to offenses. After that they signed him to a 28+ mil$ 4 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 It also factors on GM and Coaching style.. that usually reflects the teams inevitable style.. And I think most Rosters reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Key word in the thread question is "loaded". Implies stars at every position, so of course it cannot be done. But since everyone is in the same proverbial boat, it is also not necessary. Procure outstanding talent for key positions, including staff. Build schemes around the overall strengths of the team. Stay healthy... Get lucky... Nothing to it, really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Eh, there's a couple ways this can go. No, you can't have Pro Bowlers at every position. It's simply not possible, unless they all take severe pay cuts to play here. However, as others have said, you can have stellar members at complementary positions that make their teammates look better. For example, a studly pass-pro LT is going to make his QB look better, and vice versa. A smart, accurate QB is going to make his WR look better, and vice versa. A dynamic RB will make his line look better, and vice versa. A block-eating DT will make his LB'ers look better, and vice versa. A man-lock corner will make his FS look better, and vice versa. The key is to determine the players you have, then add the complements to help them acheive their potential. This is why I like Kelly (even if he is a smug, arrogant prick). It's not "find the players to fit the system" nor is it "build the system around the players". It's "evaluate your assets, determine their strengths, and complement them with similar talent". Every player has individual talents...or else they wouldn't be in the league. The problem is that teams try to fit round pegs in square holes...and that's why they fail. You want to run an effective play action heavy offense? Get a smart center who can make the proper reads at the line and can direct his other linemen. Get a one-cut runningback who's quick to the edge and decisive in his runs. Get a QB who can sell the fake, is able to make quick reads and can maneuver in the pocket. Those should be the qualities that you value - over speed, size, arm strength, etc. Those players will likely excel in that system. You want to run a vertical-oriented spread attack? You'll need a completely different set of players. The point is, you don't need Tom Brady at QB, Joe Thomas at LT, AP at RB, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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