wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Seriously, no gambling (generally) outside of very specific restricted locations? Howcome? Because it kills communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 we are a country built on diversity.... prostitutes in vegas get rich....prostitutes in Ohio go to jail gambling in some states is good business.....gambling in other states is organized crime... selling weed in Colorado is medicine distribution......selling weed in NY gets you 10 years..... walking down the street with a machine gun is completely legal......but reaching for your cell phone might get you shot... we embrace all diversity ....yet hate everybody who is different... we are very progressive......yet completely against any type of change.... and you can do all of these things and get away with it....or get arrested, or beaten, or shot ....just kinda depends.... Guessing you would just as soon get rid of state governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Love London.... Ive done the Ripper, Ghost and Gallery walks(amongst others)....but never the whore house walk.... And....always.....look BOTH ways before crossing...... you'd love germany then. buy hash, get laid and gamble without repercussion. just stop if the cops tell you to or you WILL get shot. no such thing as police brutality there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Guessing you would just as soon get rid of state governments? are you also guessing I want to debate politics here?....cause that would be wrong..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hey you went on the rant originally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hey you went on the rant originally! I went on a rant?....about State government?.....ok, if you say so....? In my world, I just responded to Chris questioning why we have some things legal in some places and then not have them legal in others... And offered some insight(and, I believe, complete truths) about how things are very inconsistent here in the US of A....but I certainly dont see where I took a stand(on anything) or mentioned anything about getting rid of state governments.... Y'all can keep your politics and foolish debates for the loony board..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 But the reason the inconsistencies exist is because state governments have the right to make their own (differing) laws. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 your point maybe....not mine...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Because it kills communities. Nah. I don't know what community you are talking about. Here there are casinos in downtown Cleveland, which filled an empty department store that had been closed for years, and downtown Cleveland is doing just fine. And in Northfield, a casino was essentially built in the parking lot of a racetrack....and the community was and is a nice commuter community. And in North Randall. Trust me, that community was killed long before the casino got there. Again, it was placed inside a racetrack. The two racetracks had been in those locations for decades....so gambling had been happening there for decades. A new form just came about. And as far as I know, there have been no reports of Northfield/North Randall/Cleveland being inundated with degenerate gamblers. So, if you know of some place that has gone to hell all of a sudden when a casino got located there, then let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 But the reason the inconsistencies exist is because state governments have the right to make their own (differing) laws. That's the point. Yes, it is a fair point. Some things are best left to national uniformity.....but in other areas things can be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Nah. I don't know what community you are talking about. Here there are casinos in downtown Cleveland, which filled an empty department store that had been closed for years, and downtown Cleveland is doing just fine. And in Northfield, a casino was essentially built in the parking lot of a racetrack....and the community was and is a nice commuter community. And in North Randall. Trust me, that community was killed long before the casino got there. Again, it was placed inside a racetrack. The two racetracks had been in those locations for decades....so gambling had been happening there for decades. A new form just came about. And as far as I know, there have been no reports of Northfield/North Randall/Cleveland being inundated with degenerate gamblers. So, if you know of some place that has gone to hell all of a sudden when a casino got located there, then let us know. I don't know about "all of a sudden" because I haven't looked into the history of the cities. When you see casinos in the south though, it's not as part of a nice city. I've only been to Shreveport and Tunica. They were pretty trashy. New Orleans is terrible. Louisiana is pretty bad in general and there's a ton of gambling. Oklahoma has gambling and it's awful. Cleveland is not noted as a particularly vibrant city so IMO it's not a very good citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know about "all of a sudden" because I haven't looked into the history of the cities. When you see casinos in the south though, it's not as part of a nice city. I've only been to Shreveport and Tunica. They were pretty trashy. New Orleans is terrible. Louisiana is pretty bad in general and there's a ton of gambling. Oklahoma has gambling and it's awful. Cleveland is not noted as a particularly vibrant city so IMO it's not a very good citation. Sorry, don't know what you think is vibrant. New Orleans is vibrant, Cleveland is vibrant. Have you ever actually been to either. I have been to Shreveport....and it is by no means trashy. Maybe it is just the south in general that is not nice...to you. Every city has its trashy parts. Most casinos I have seen have improved the appearance of a lot of towns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Vibrant's not the best word. You can be the trashiest city ever and still be very vibrant. New Orleans perfect example. But most consider Cleveland to have died of its old glory. I know you don't believe that. But that's the perception. Of course the casinos themselves are nice. The rest of Shreveport is garbage. The South's been amazing to me, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 But most consider Cleveland to have died of its old glory. I know you don't believe that. But that's the perception. I believe that.....but I also think Cleveland faded loooong before we had a casino....and the casino has not detracted, but actually added a great deal to the revitalization of downtown and the night life.... And, Id say, a lot of the places that have added casinos have done so because they are already down and are using the casino to attract tourists and generate economic activity.... So, Id agree with Gip that Ive never seen a city get dragged down by adding Casinos, but have seen them grow after adding them..... and Id argue the casino cities you listed as depressed, aren't that way "because" of the casinos....but were already that way all on their own..... Cleveland was not vibrant before the casino....New Orleans has been a hole forever......etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Ok, fair enough. It can't help with the revitalization though. It provides a decent amount of low-skilled jobs. That's a good thing of course. But way too many folks in the city that don't make much money turn around and spend a good portion of what little they have at the casinos. Same reason the lottery is called a tax on those who can't do math. Poor people buy the lottery almost exclusively. I believe it's similar with gambling in some of these cities although I do realize the odds aren't as bad at a casino. When did Cleveland add casinos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I believe that.....but I also think Cleveland faded loooong before we had a casino....and the casino has not detracted, but actually added a great deal to the revitalization of downtown and the night life.... And, Id say, a lot of the places that have added casinos have done so because they are already down and are using the casino to attract tourists and generate economic activity.... So, Id agree with Gip that Ive never seen a city get dragged down by adding Casinos, but have seen them grow after adding them..... and Id argue the casino cities you listed as depressed, aren't that way "because" of the casinos....but were already that way all on their own..... Cleveland was not vibrant before the casino....New Orleans has been a hole forever......etc etc... Casino's sure as hell didn't help Atlantic City. If you've ever been there you know what I mean. I think many of them have closed down now. Cleveland right now is on the upswing. New hotels, convention center, bars, restraurants, etc. We only have on Casino and it is smack dab in the center of the downtown area. Right next to restaurants, bars, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't think it's the casinos that cause the big problems, especially if they have a strict dress code that 'people who can't do math' won't be able to adhere to (as is the case here). The bigger problem would be the high-street bookies, where anyone can walk in, drunk or not, stay in there all day gambling on the gee gees, then kick them back on the streets at 10pm. Fortunately we've made decent progress on them here where those places are now more inviting for non-addicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Ok, fair enough. It can't help with the revitalization though. It provides a decent amount of low-skilled jobs. That's a good thing of course. But way too many folks in the city that don't make much money turn around and spend a good portion of what little they have at the casinos. Same reason the lottery is called a tax on those who can't do math. Poor people buy the lottery almost exclusively. I believe it's similar with gambling in some of these cities although I do realize the odds aren't as bad at a casino. When did Cleveland add casinos? we just added them a few years ago...not sure exactly..... Im no gambler, so have never been there.....dont do the lotto either..... Though, once while in St Louis, I walked into a riverboat casino and was inside having a drink and watching my buddies play cards....just chillin..... We had a very early meeting the next morning, so had plans to go back to our hotel by 10 to get some rest.......at some point I decided to step outside for some fresh air and.....kablammo!!.....we were NOT at the dock!!!....the stinking river boat was cruising down the river, so we could not get off.....went back in and asked and they said 3 hrs before we return... Holy crap.....didnt know that they sailed!......was a very late night.....esp since I dont gamble..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Ok, fair enough. It can't help with the revitalization though. It provides a decent amount of low-skilled jobs. That's a good thing of course. But way too many folks in the city that don't make much money turn around and spend a good portion of what little they have at the casinos. Same reason the lottery is called a tax on those who can't do math. Poor people buy the lottery almost exclusively. I believe it's similar with gambling in some of these cities although I do realize the odds aren't as bad at a casino. When did Cleveland add casinos? Actually, many think it has helped with the revitalization. A bit anyway. Certainly not the main factor. But it is better than sitting there as an empty former Department store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Casino's sure as hell didn't help Atlantic City. If you've ever been there you know what I mean. I think many of them have closed down now. The fuck they didn't. AC was a burned out ghost town essentially before the casinos started up in the 70s. And yes, while some have closed down....for a couple of reasons....bad economy......proliferation of venues everywhere else in the nearby states.....it still is sure a hell of a lot better off than it was in the 50s/60s when it became one big ghetto. Did it lose all of its ghetto? No. But it helped a lot. Cleveland right now is on the upswing. New hotels, convention center, bars, restraurants, etc. We only have on Casino and it is smack dab in the center of the downtown area. Right next to restaurants, bars, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 And....always.....look BOTH ways before crossing...... All the "Look Right" warnings painted on London's pavement do help... I believe that.....but I also think Cleveland faded loooong before we had a casino....and the casino has not detracted, but actually added a great deal to the revitalization of downtown and the night life.... Id argue the casino cities you listed as depressed, aren't that way "because" of the casinos....but were already that way all on their own..... The Casino may have added, but nowhere near the addition of a winning Indians team of the 90's filling the Jake for 455 consecutive games. Between June 12, 1995 and April 4, 2001, the Indians sold out 455 consecutive home games, drawing a total of 19,324,248 fans to Jacobs Field. The demand for tickets was so great that all 81 home games were sold out before Opening Day on at least three separate occasions. The sellout streak set a Major League Baseball record; this was broken by the Boston Red Sox on September 8, 2008, though Boston's Fenway Park is considerably smaller than Progressive Field.[109] One night after the streak ended, the Indians honored the fans by retiring the number 455. Casino's sure as hell didn't help Atlantic City. If you've ever been there you know what I mean. I think many of them have closed down now. First example I thought of as well. Studies abound on the destruction the AC Boardwalk bought to a depressed community it was supposed to save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorMeBrown Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does no one here know how to correctly preform a google search? http://www.usaonlinesportsbooks.com/states/ohio.html Sports betting is 100% LEGAL in the state of Ohio, so long as you don't do it here. And the state of Ohio doesn't mind if you bet online as long as the business is outside of its jurisdiction. Completely legit websites are out there which take bets, all pretty fair and nearly identical to vegas. https://sports.bovada.lv/ I recommend this one, its the best one out there. But pretty much anywhere you go to bet will offer ludicrous betting odds for the Cleveland Browns. It's not that they're even bad, the division will just be very difficult to win this year and the Browns have the most question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 All the "Look Right" warnings painted on London's pavement do help... The Casino may have added, but nowhere near the addition of a winning Indians team of the 90's filling the Jake for 455 consecutive games. Between June 12, 1995 and April 4, 2001, the Indians sold out 455 consecutive home games, drawing a total of 19,324,248 fans to Jacobs Field. Yep.....tho I still forget and....almost....get flattened time and time again...... And gotta say that was a great point on the Tribe.....downtown was really hopping back then and all because of the tribe....and the fact that they play soooooo many games just brings people in all week long...... I say we trade the casino for a great team.....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yep.....tho I still forget and....almost....get flattened time and time again...... And gotta say that was a great point on the Tribe.....downtown was really hopping back then and all because of the tribe....and the fact that they play soooooo many games just brings people in all week long...... I say we trade the casino for a great team.....!!! Yea, as now they are the boringest team in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does no one here know how to correctly preform a google search? http://www.usaonlinesportsbooks.com/states/ohio.html Sports betting is 100% LEGAL in the state of Ohio, so long as you don't do it here. And the state of Ohio doesn't mind if you bet online as long as the business is outside of its jurisdiction. Completely legit websites are out there which take bets, all pretty fair and nearly identical to vegas. https://sports.bovada.lv/ I recommend this one, its the best one out there. But pretty much anywhere you go to bet will offer ludicrous betting odds for the Cleveland Browns. It's not that they're even bad, the division will just be very difficult to win this year and the Browns have the most question marks. The only things I know that are preformed are bras and garden ponds: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Does no one here know how to correctly preform a google search? http://www.usaonlinesportsbooks.com/states/ohio.html Sports betting is 100% LEGAL in the state of Ohio, so long as you don't do it here. And the state of Ohio doesn't mind if you bet online as long as the business is outside of its jurisdiction. Completely legit websites are out there which take bets, all pretty fair and nearly identical to vegas. https://sports.bovada.lv/ I recommend this one, its the best one out there. But pretty much anywhere you go to bet will offer ludicrous betting odds for the Cleveland Browns. It's not that they're even bad, the division will just be very difficult to win this year and the Browns have the most question marks. Well, if you say it, it must be true.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 "Sports betting is 100% LEGAL in the state of Ohio, so long as you don't do it here." I've spent several minutes trying to figure out what this means to no avail. If you make the bet online, you're still in Ohio. I think everyone is aware there are online sportsbooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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