Josh Gordon, Marijuana and the Playoffs.

[PoeticG]

BFR- +1

[PoeticG]

What's more concerning to me than people believing Marijuana should still be illegal...

 

THE FACT THAT SO MANY FANS HAVE GIVEN UP ON THE SEASON!!! WHAT THE FUCK!

 

We're not even at the BYE yet and you can't see the Playoffs? It's a long season... we're 7 games in. There is time to turn it around. Believe. We need to will them to wins. We Bark Together.

 

ALSO! JOSH GORDON?.... Baggage aside, if he were to go onto the open market tomorrow, he'd be a first round draft pick... No, scratch that, he'd be a -TOP 5- first round Draft Pick. Of course, you're going to say, "But, he isn't playing" or "he'll just get suspended again". Josh Gordon WILL be a HOFer, bet.

[The Gipper]

I'm going to put this as simply as possible. If you vote no on issues 3 you are voting to support terrorism and criminal wealth. Do you guys know how much weed gets imported to this country from the cartels? Seriously its a lot... almost all the cheap weed in this country is brought in from mexico. So in light of that is this bill really all that bad? someone is going to get rich because legal or illegal weed is still going to be here and a lot of it... so maybe its better to actually put that money into the state and the citizens of the state instead of funding the cartels. People can always vote to reform the bill later on if they want to adjust it.

So, you are saying it could be either those 10, or these 7:

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexicos-7-most-notorious-drug-cartels-2014-10

[The Gipper]

What's more concerning to me than people believing Marijuana should still be illegal...

 

THE FACT THAT SO MANY FANS HAVE GIVEN UP ON THE SEASON!!! WHAT THE FUCK!

 

We're not even at the BYE yet and you can't see the Playoffs? It's a long season... we're 7 games in. There is time to turn it around. Believe. We need to will them to wins. We Bark Together.

 

ALSO! JOSH GORDON?.... Baggage aside, if he were to go onto the open market tomorrow, he'd be a first round draft pick... No, scratch that, he'd be a -TOP 5- first round Draft Pick. Of course, you're going to say, "But, he isn't playing" or "he'll just get suspended again". Josh Gordon WILL be a HOFer, bet.

I know you are trying to massage your thread.....but it really ought to stick to one subject....and that is the marijuana issue.....which could get shelved to the Political Board.

[gumby73]

Josh Gordon WILL be a HOFer, bet.

This is why you never mix pot polls & Sports Polls

[slimdawg]

I am overall undecided longer term on how I feel about legal weed. I am however smart enough to see through the well orchestrated ads about poor little children who can't get medical weed and job creation. If their genuine concern were anything like The ads they"d have no issue with growing for personal use and licensing smaller caregiver farms. The bill is a straight cash grab that counts on either sympathy or the fact many don't care about the bullshit as long as they can buy weed. It's a bad bill.

^^This 1000%, couldn't have said it any better. Just because it'll leagalize weed doesnt make it a good thing. This bill is all about big buisness trying to swoop in and monopolize the market. If people would be patient, next year would be the year to legalize.

 

On Josh, yes. Full offseason next year with the team to get reaclimated with the team and i see no reason why he cant be very helpful as long as he toes the line.

 

Playoffs,ehh... My heart says yes, my brain says not likely. The biggest reason for optimism right now is even though we're 2-5, we are 1-0 in the AFC North. So we actually arent in as bad of shape that our overall record says we are. No room for error though.....

[slimdawg]

I'm going to put this as simply as possible. If you vote no on issues 3 you are voting to support terrorism and criminal wealth. Do you guys know how much weed gets imported to this country from the cartels? Seriously its a lot... almost all the cheap weed in this country is brought in from mexico. So in light of that is this bill really all that bad? someone is going to get rich because legal or illegal weed is still going to be here and a lot of it... so maybe its better to actually put that money into the state and the citizens of the state instead of funding the cartels. People can always vote to reform the bill later on if they want to adjust it.

This is straight up ignorant as fuck! If you dont think for one second that the drug cartels wont adjust your nuts. They'll still smuggle tons and most definitely have the resources to open up grow houses up and down your street... These people kidnap, kill, and behead motherfuckers to get what they want. You think a bill in Ohio is gonna stop that shit lol

[Browns_Fucking_Rule]

This is straight up ignorant as fuck! If you dont think for one second that the drug cartels wont adjust your nuts. They'll still smuggle tons and most definitely have the resources to open up grow houses up and down your street... These people kidnap, kill, and behead motherfuckers to get what they want. You think a bill in Ohio is gonna stop that shit lol

 

what i think is ignorant as fuck is that you obviously believe doing nothing will be even more effective. In fact even the rand corp published a study showing the impact of legalization on these cartels... all you have to do is research a little.

[slimdawg]

 

what i think is ignorant as fuck is that you obviously believe doing nothing will be even more effective. In fact even the rand corp published a study showing the impact of legalization on these cartels... all you have to do is research a little.

Hold up, i never said anything about not doing nothing. Im 70/30 for legal pot,,,, with the RIGHT bill. What i was talking about in my post was about your supporting terrorism mularkey and thinking just cause we leagalize pot the cartels are just gonna close up shop and go home. Yeah they will take somewhat of a hit but if you dont think they wont still be making money hand over fist....

[Westside Steve]

10 people against legal weed?

 

Why?

Looks like the question was for or against issue 3. And since somebody might make some money a lot of people are against issue 3.

 

WSS

[Westside Steve]

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/08/responsibleohios_issue_3_is_th.html

 

There you go Woody.

 

(not my opinion)

 

WSS

[Browns_Fucking_Rule]

Hold up, i never said anything about not doing nothing. Im 70/30 for legal pot,,,, with the RIGHT bill. What i was talking about in my post was about your supporting terrorism mularkey and thinking just cause we leagalize pot the cartels are just gonna close up shop and go home. Yeah they will take somewhat of a hit but if you dont think they wont still be making money hand over fist....

 

Well I dont believe that they are just going to disappear or anything because of the bill and i never said that... I just think it will affect them. Either way, while waiting for the right bill to come along, they are making more money and killing more and more people

[The Gipper]

This is straight up ignorant as fuck! If you dont think for one second that the drug cartels wont adjust your nuts. They'll still smuggle tons and most definitely have the resources to open up grow houses up and down your street... These people kidnap, kill, and behead motherfuckers to get what they want. You think a bill in Ohio is gonna stop that shit lol

They probably won't sell dope.....they will just bring in other drugs....like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-CWq6jVeo

 

Organized crime will always find something that falls through the cracks of legality: booze in Prohibition. Dope, other drugs, Prostitutes. Whatever.

[slimdawg]

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/08/responsibleohios_issue_3_is_th.html

 

There you go Woody.

 

(not my opinion)

 

WSS

Good article, hits alot of points as to why this bill is a bad idea.

[slimdawg]

They probably won't sell dope.....they will just bring in other drugs....like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-CWq6jVeo

 

Organized crime will always find something that falls through the cracks of legality: booze in Prohibition. Dope, other drugs, Prostitutes. Whatever.

As long as theres a buck to be made and they have the ability to strongarm and fearmonger to achieve it.

[slimdawg]

 

Well I dont believe that they are just going to disappear or anything because of the bill and i never said that... I just think it will affect them. Either way, while waiting for the right bill to come along, they are making more money and killing more and more people

So just slap a cheap bandaid on it huh

[PoeticG]

I believe issue 2 would stop any further attempts to legalize it. It's supposedly a bill that essentially makes up a board to see whether or not a bill should go to vote. If they don't think the bill should be a bill then I see them taking the vote ability away, no matter how good the argument should be for or against a new bill.

 

Legalizing weed would NOT create a monopoly, a monopoly is when ONLY 1 person holds all the goods and can set amounts at their leisure. This makes 10 distributors alone... AND allows you to grow your own. No money goes to anybody if you grow your own. You could sell that amount you grow to businesses for a fee and make your own money.

 

Fear and Control is rampart in these people that are against the legalization. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers and scammers out there are trying every propaganda measure they can to keep it illegal... there is simply too much money and control to give up on the legal side of things.

[Browns_Fucking_Rule]

I think you are absolutely right Poetic... I read somewhere that like 80 people were put in jail ever minute for weed... there is a lot of money being made from the control structure that is currently in place.

[slimdawg]

I believe issue 2 would stop any further attempts to legalize it. It's supposedly a bill that essentially makes up a board to see whether or not a bill should go to vote. If they don't think the bill should be a bill then I see them taking the vote ability away, no matter how good the argument should be for or against a new bill.

 

Legalizing weed would NOT create a monopoly, a monopoly is when ONLY 1 person holds all the goods and can set amounts at their leisure. This makes 10 distributors alone... AND allows you to grow your own. No money goes to anybody if you grow your own. You could sell that amount you grow to businesses for a fee and make your own money.

 

Fear and Control is rampart in these people that are against the legalization. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers and scammers out there are trying every propaganda measure they can to keep it illegal... there is simply too much money and control to give up on the legal side of things.

10 grows that are basically predetermined and hand picked. If you dont think that the people that formed Responsible Ohio arent gonna be reaping the rewards from the 10 handpicked grows, than your just naive. And just cause you can grow a little in your house(ONLY 4 flowering plants at a time) doesnt mean your going to be able to legally sell it. If they catch you selling it, its jail, just like it is now. You can apply for a license to sell it i believe, but the same people who determine who the 10 grows, are the same people who issue licenses.

[PoeticG]

http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative,_Issue_3_(2015)


The Ohio Marijuana Legalization Initiative is an Ohio initiated constitutional amendment on the ballot for November 3, 2015.

Voting yes would legalize the limited sale and use of marijuana and create 10 facilities with exclusive commercial rights to grow marijuana.

Voting no would leave current laws unchanged. Possession or use of marijuana for any reason would remain illegal.

Issue 3 will be accompanied on the ballot by Issue 2, which was added by state lawmakers concerned that the amendment would grant a monopoly to the facilities. According to Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, Issue 2 would invalidate Issue 3 if both were to pass, a claim denied by the amendment's supporters.[1][2]

Introduction

The proposed measure specifies the legal use, cultivation and sale of marijuana in Ohio.

Who could use marijuana?
Anyone 21 years or older with a license purchased from the Ohio Marijuana Control Commission, similar to a fishing license, could use, possess, grow, cultivate and share up to eight ounces of homegrown marijuana and four flowering marijuana plants.
Anyone 21 years or older (with or without a license) could purchase, possess, transport, use and share up to one ounce of marijuana.
Anyone with a certified debilitating medical condition could use medicinal marijuana.

What are MGCE facilities?

The amendment would create 10 Marijuana Growth, Cultivation and Extraction (MGCE) facilities. These 10 facilities would have exclusive rights to commercial production; it was this aspect of the amendment that led the Ohio General Assembly to add the competing Issue 2 to the ballot.

The MGCE facilities would be run independently to prevent collusion, as required by the Sherman Antitrust Act. There would be no vertical integration of marijuana businesses, meaning that those who cultivated the plants could not also sell directly to the public.[3]

Property owners agreed to let the 300 people that each facility expects to employ unionize and collectively bargain.[4]

Each MGCE facility has at least one investor, some of whom are local celebrities:[3]
Former 98 Degrees singer Nick Lachey
Former Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Frostee Rucker
Dayton pain specialist Suresh Gupta
WEBN radio host Frank Wood
Barbara Gould, a philanthropist based in Indian Hill
University of Cincinnati basketball star Oscar Robertson
Paul Heldman, former general counsel of The Kroger Co.
Woody Taft, a descendant of President William Howard Taft

Ian James, the head of the ResponsibleOhio campaign in support of the amendment, required each investor to give $2 million to the campaign to get Issue 3 on the ballot. He also hired real estate agents to find 10 properties capable of industrial indoor marijuana production. Cincinnati financier James Gould played a large role in investor recruiting.[3][4]

The following table displays the MGCE facilities' official LLC names, common names, owners, locations and property sizes in acres. Nine of the 10 facilities' LLC names begin with 768, which spells out P-O-T on a telephone dial.[4]

Acres

76826771 Abhang Co. LLC Dr. Suresh Gupta, Alan Mooney Licking 35.03 acres
76826772 WF Green Investments LLC William Foster, Frostee Rucker, Oscar Robertson Hamilton 24.47 acres
76826773 Grow 2015-768 LLC Bobby George Lorain 76.83 acres
76826774 DGF LLC Frank Wood Clermont 13.43 acres
76826775 Bridge Property Group LLC David Bastos Lucas 28.46 acres
76826776 Ohioven LLC Jennifer Doering Delaware 24.95 acres
76826777 Verdure GCE LLC William "Cheney" Pruett, John Humphreys, Nick Lachey Summit 29.01 acres
76826778 NG Green Investments Nanette Lapore, Barbara Gould, Paul Heldman, Woody Taft, Dudley Taft Jr. Butler 40.44 acres
76826779 Prestoncox Industries Rick Kirk Franklin 19.12 acres
GTI Ohio GTI Investors LLC Ben Kovler, Peter Kadens Stark 27.18 acres

How would the Ohio marijuana industry work?

Regulation

The measure would create an Ohio Marijuana Control Commission to regulate industrial and homegrown marijuana production, the chemical content of marijuana products, retail sales and marijuana taxation. The commission would also act as a clearinghouse for scientific research on marijuana and create a marijuana innovation and business incubator in Cuyahoga County.

Stores, dispensaries and manufacturing

Retail marijuana stores would only be allowed to sell marijuana from MGCE facilities and marijuana-infused products from licensed manufacturing facilities. Stores would not be allowed to sell marijuana or infused products for less than what the store paid for it.

The total number of marijuana retail stores in Ohio would be limited by a ratio of one store for every 10,000 Ohioans. With Ohio's population at 11,594,163 in 2014, the amendment would allow for a maximum of 1,159 stores.

Marijuana stores would not be allowed to be located within 1,000 feet of a house of worship, public library, public or chartered elementary or secondary school, state-licensed day care center, or public playground. A store's location would also need to be approved by voters in the precinct in which the store would be located.

Medical marijuana would only be sold by licensed not-for-profit dispensaries to individuals with a doctor’s note. The Ohio Marijuana Control Commission would issue regulatory rules for these dispensaries and fund necessary operating costs.

Only licensed Marijuana Product Manufacturing, or MPM, facilities would be able to manufacture, process and package marijuana-infused products. The facilities would also be able to manufacture marijuana accessories and sell marijuana-infused products made only from marijuana purchased from licensed MGCE facilities. The control commission would regulate parts of the process such as the chemical content or potency of marijuana-infused products.

Taxes

Along with general business taxes, fees and assessments, marijuana production facility gross revenue would be taxed by a flat 15 percent rate, and marijuana retail stores would be taxed by a flat 5 percent rate.

The tax revenue would be split up in three ways:
55 percent to the Municipal and Township Government Stabilization Fund
30 percent to the Strong County Fund
15 percent to the Marijuana Control Commission Fund

What's controversial?

After Washington and Colorado legalized marijuana in 2012, the issue has increasingly appeared on state ballot measures. In 2014, Alaska's Ballot Measure 2 decriminalized marijuana and Oregon's Measure 91 legalized recreational marijuana. With a majority of Americans now supporting marijuana legalization, 2016 could see a wave of marijuana-related ballot measures.[5]

Issue 3 also became controversial due to claims that it would grant a monopoly to the producers. (See Ballotpedia’s analysis on the term monopoly to find out why it’s more properly called an oligopoly.) If approved, Issue 2 would take effect before Issue 3 and invalidate it.

Text of measure

Ballot title

The official ballot text is as follows:[2]

“
Issue 3

Grants a monopoly for the commercial production and sale of marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes

Proposed Constitutional Amendment

Proposed by Initiative Petition

To add Section 12 of Article XV of the Constitution of the State of Ohio.

A majority yes vote is necessary for the amendment to pass.

The proposed amendment would:
Endow exclusive rights for commercial marijuana growth, cultivation, and extraction to self-designated landowners who own ten predetermined parcels of land in Butler, Clermont, Franklin, Hamilton, Licking, Lorain, Lucas, Delaware, Stark, and Summit Counties. One additional location may be allowed for in four years only if existing facilities cannot meet consumer demand.
Permit retail sale of recreational marijuana at approximately 1,100 locations statewide. Such retail establishments must have a state license that may be obtained only if the electors of the precinct where the store will be located approve the use of the location for such purpose at a local option election.
Legalize the production of marijuana-infused products, including edible products, concentrates, sprays, ointments and tinctures by marijuana product manufacturing facilities.
Allow each person, 21 years of age or older, to, grow, cultivate, use, possess, and share up to eight ounces of usable homegrown marijuana plus four flowering marijuana plants if the person holds a valid state license. Allow each person, 21 years of age or older, to purchase, possess, transport, use, and share up to 1 ounce of marijuana for recreational use. Authorize the use of medical marijuana by any person, regardless of age, who has a certification for a debilitating medical condition.
Prohibit marijuana establishments within 1,000 feet of a house of worship, public library, public or chartered elementary or secondary school, state-licensed day-care center, or public playground, however: after a certain date, a new day-care, library, etc., cannot force a preexisting marijuana establishment to relocate by opening a new location within 1,000 feet of the business.
Prohibit any local or state law, including zoning laws, from being applied to prohibit the development or operation of marijuana growth, cultivation, and extraction facilities, retail marijuana stores, and medical marijuana dispensaries unless the area is zoned exclusively residential as of January 1, 2015 or as of the date that an application for a license is first filed for a marijuana establishment.
Create a special tax rate limited to 15% on gross revenue of each marijuana growth, cultivation, and extraction facility and marijuana product manufacturing facility and a special tax rate limited to 5% on gross revenue of each retail marijuana store. Revenues from the tax go to a municipal and township government fund, a strong county fund, and the marijuana control commission fund.
Create a marijuana incubator in Cuyahoga County to promote growth and development of the marijuana industry and locate marijuana testing facilities near colleges and universities in Athens, Cuyahoga, Lorain, Mahoning, Scioto and Wood Counties, at a minimum.
Limit the ability of the legislature and local governments from regulating the manufacture, sales, distribution, and use of marijuana and marijuana products. Create a new state government agency called the marijuana control commission (with limited authority) to regulate the industry, comprised of seven Ohio residents appointed by the Governor, including a physician, a law enforcement officer, an administrative law attorney, a patient advocate, a resident experienced in owning, developing, managing and operating businesses, a resident with experience in the legal marijuana industry, and a member of the public.[6]
”

Constitutional changes
See also: Article XV, Ohio Constitution
The proposed amendment would add a Section 12 to Article XV of the Ohio Constitution. The full text can be read below:[7]


[show]Amendment to Section 12 of Article XV of the Ohio Constitution

Support

ResponsibleOhio logo 2015.png

Ohio attorneys filed the petition on behalf of ResponsibleOhio, the political action committee (PAC) leading the campaign supporting Issue 3. Executive director Ian James had a role in drafting several parts of the ballot text, such as determining where the MGCE facilities would be located and who their investors would be.[8][9]

Supporters

Former officials
Former Ohio Senate Minority Leader Eric Kearney (D-9)[10]
Former Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Streicher[11]

Organizations
United Food And Commercial Workers Union, Local 75[12]
United Food And Commercial Workers Union, Local 880
United Food And Commercial Workers Union, Local 1059
ACLU of Ohio[13]

Individuals
Woody Taft, descendant of President William Howard Taft[14]
Dudley Taft Jr., descendant of President William Howard Taft
Scott Greenwood, civil rights attorney[11]
Keith Stroup, founder of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML)[15]
Rob Ryan, former president of Ohio NORML
Montel Williams, talk show host[16]

Arguments in favor

Ian James, executive director of ResponsibleOhio, speaks about the benefits of his group's initiative on The News-Herald.

In a letter filed to the Ohio Secretary of State and featured on its website, supporters argue that the initiative authorizes nonprofit dispensaries, which allow Ohio doctors to prescribe medical marijuana for patients suffering from an array of diseases and conditions. The letter also cites job creation and added tax revenue as the initiative's advantages. It claims taxes on marijuana sales would generate more than $550 million, 85 percent of which would be given to local government for needs such as infrastructure repair, economic development and public safety. Additionally, supporters argued the initiative would create a tightly regulated marijuana industry in Ohio. By allowing for only 10 facilities, the state could better enforce safety, quality and product-tracking policies.[17]


Lydia Bolander, spokesperson for ResponsibleOhio, said:[18]

“ Marijuana for medical and personal use should be a choice made by adults 21 and older in this state. We are going to end this failed prohibition. ... Legalizing marijuana for medical and personal use means increased safety because we will regulate, tax and treat marijuana like alcohol. We will smother the black market and use the taxes generated to help local communities provide vital public services. We need to be compassionate and ensure patients receive the treatment they rightfully deserve. We will create jobs in the agricultural, wholesale and retail marketplace, and we will drive research at our universities and hospitals. ... We will take the steps that so many other states have taken to decriminalize marijuana so that we are no longer destroying lives and our law-enforcement officers are spending their time investigating and arresting the real criminals threatening our communities. ... This is about safety, personal freedom, healthy choices, jobs and tax dollars for our communities.[6] ”


Former Cincinnati Police Chief Tom Streicher has argued that marijuana criminalization has not worked and costs the state too much money. He stated:[11]

“ When I served as the Chief of Police for Ohio’s third-largest city, I saw first-hand the destructive impact of Ohio’s marijuana laws. Our state spends over $120 million per year to enforce marijuana prohibition, even though we all know these laws do not work. Law enforcement should instead be able to spend their time and their resources cracking down on the real criminals. ResponsibleOhio’s amendment will do just that, paving the way for a better, safer future for our children and grandchildren.[6] ”

Former Sen. Eric Kearney
Former Sen. Eric Kearney (D-9) said his experience in the legislature made him realize marijuana legalization would not be addressed anytime soon. He concluded that a ballot initiative was the best route to legalization and joined ResponsibleOhio. He said:[10]

“ The issue of marijuana legalization is one all Ohioans should take seriously. As a former legislator, I know that our state government is not ready to act on this important issue. Ohioans are being unjustly punished for using marijuana, while patients do not have access to medical marijuana for treatment. It’s time we reform this failed prohibition, and I’m proud to be part of the effort to do so.[6] ”


Christine Link, executive director of the ACLU of Ohio, said in a statement:[13]

“ By voting yes on Issue 3, Ohio voters have a unique opportunity to end an unjust and unworkable policy. Ballot initiatives are expensive and difficult to achieve in Ohio. Marijuana reform legislation was first introduced in Ohio 18 years ago. Many efforts to get on the ballot have failed. This may be our last chance for years to come. Issue 3 needs to pass on Election Day because its failure may well mean another 10 or 20 years of the same bad policies of excessive punishment, a justice system clogged by marijuana prosecutions, lives ruined by prison, and marijuana in the hands of illegal, unregulated, and dangerous cartels.[6] ”


In response to claims that marijuana could reduce workplace safety, ResponsibleOhio spokesperson Faith Oltman said:[19]

“ There is this big misconception that employers can’t drug test (for legal drugs), but they can. As far as workplace safety goes, studies show that in states that have legalized marijuana, employees who get into accidents on the job are no more likely to test positive for marijuana than a random group of employees. ... It will be a boon to businesses in our economy in Ohio. Grow sites, manufacturing, testing facilities, innovation centers, and local entrepreneurs can open up retail locations. We are conservatively estimating that this industry could bring 10,000 jobs to Ohio.[6] ”


Woody Taft, an MGCE facility investor, wrote in an opinion article:[20]

“ Despite the fact that a medical marijuana bill has been introduced to the Ohio House each of the last several years, politicians refuse to consider it. Why? People from all walks of life use marijuana, so any position they take will alienate part of their voting base. Politicians simply don’t want to touch it, which is why it is necessary to take the vote to the people, and an amendment to the Ohio constitution is the only method of legalization that prevents the legislature from coming back and making marijuana illegal again.
Forces within the state government have been trying to kill Issue 3 with petition, ballot title and language shenanigans. They go so far as to call Issue 3 a “marijuana monopoly,” when its structure, which provides for 10 competing growers and up to 1,150 retail stores, cannot be classified as a monopoly by any existing legal definition, federal, state or otherwise. If we don’t vote yes on Issue 3, do you really have any faith that the people we have elected to represent our interests will actually do so when it comes to marijuana?[6]
”

Campaign contributions

The ResponsibleOhio PAC had raised $11,973,695 as of the most recent campaign finance filing, October 14, 2015.[21]

Amount spent

ResponsibleOhio PAC $11,973,695.20 $11,958,721.20
Total $11,973,695.20 $11,958,721.20

A March 2015 filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission showed that $36 million had been contributed to the 10 MGCE properties, which are organized limited liability corporations (LLCs). The LLCs then contribute to the ResponsibleOhio PAC.[22]

The following table shows how much the MGCE investors contributed to the ResponsibleOhio PAC.[21][23][24]
Donor
Investor(s)
Amount

GTI Ohio LLC (GTI Investors LLC) Ben Kovler and Peter Kadens $593,000
76826777 LLC (Verdure GCE LLC) Nick Lachey, William Pruitt and John Humphrey $400,000
76826772 LLC (WF Green Investments LLC) William J. Foster, Frostee Rucker and Oscar Robertson $350,000
76826773 LLC (Grow 2015-768 LLC) Robert George $350,000
76826771 LLC (Abhang Co. LLC) Suresh Gupta and Alan Mooney $300,000
76826774 LLC (DGF LLC) Frank Wood $300,000
76826775 LLC (Bridge Property Group LLC) David Bastos $300,000
76826778 LLC (NG Green Investments LLC) Barbara Gould, Paul Heldman, Nanette Lapore, Woody Taft and Dudley Taft Jr. $300,000
76826779 LLC (PrestonCox Industries LLC) Rick Kirk $300,000
76826776 LLC (Ohioven LLC) Jennifer Doering $200,000

Campaign advertisements

The following are advertisements produced by the supporting campaign, ResponsibleOhio.[25]

[Browns_Fucking_Rule]

I really don't understand what the big deal is about the 10 companies. There are only 2 options on the table. The first is everything stays the same and there are 'zero' legal groweries OR there are 'ten' and its legal. I think its better to be proactive and create the change while we can. Instead procrastinate while pushing this its unfair bs and end up getting nothing changed just seems too risky to me. I think we should get the law changed and then see about amending the bill to make it more fair as time goes on. What's so crazy to me is that people are bitching about a monopoly... i mean wtf? This whole fucking thing was started because of a monopoly so one motherfucker could control the paper industry.

[Zombo]

Po, thanks for the longest post ever on the BB ... and it has nothing to do with Browns.

 

Take it to Political or Barber, boys.

 

Z

[hoorta]

10 people against legal weed?

 

Why?

 

Not against legal weed Woodie. I was going to vote yes- but I'm having second thoughts. As Ringo once said, "no. no, no I don't smoke it no more". The stuff gets me tooooo paranoid. Legalization is inevitable, but letting 10 people set the rules is a BAD idea. Let's make it real free market- check out what Alaska is doing. A legalized monopoly isn't the way to go. Pretty obvious- there's a couple of guys here that like to lite up a blunt- and seems you don't have much trouble finding what you need. I'm sure if I wanted any of the stuff- I could put in a request from anyone I know coming back from Colorado on a ski trip. Point is- the "legal" stuff is going to be REAL pricey- and that's a fact. So your friendly local underground drug dealers are just going to be forced to undercut the competition.

 

BTW- the chemist in me says- it ain't exactly rocket science to take that legal weed and start cooking up hash, or even pure THC in your kitchen- if you want a real super duper hallucinogenic high.

 

On the surface- it looks really good- BUT. Same deal as gambling. You can go into almost any gas station in South Dakota and find a slot machine. That isn't happening in Ohio any time soon.

 

Po, thanks for the longest post ever on the BB ... and it has nothing to do with Browns.

 

Take it to Political or Barber, boys.

 

Z

 

Good idea Z. I opened the thread and moved it to the Political Forum.

[Westside Steve]

Ok pot heads listen up.

Most of us don't care if you smoke dope or not.

Here's your choice.

We can be legalized or not. It will either be available for you to smoke or it will be and regulated drug like oxy or morphine. If you are mad because the man is going to make a profit, think about this.

If it is only approved as medicine guess who will make a lot more profit? The clock is ticking and the Jeopardy music is playing.

 

Think of one of your most hated corporate targets...

Did you guess big pharmaceutical? Bingo. Give yourself 10 points.

 

So if you have a legitimate medical need for a bag of dope you can get a prescription and pay Pfizer for it.

 

(Who says smoking dope doesn't make you stupid)

 

WSS

[hoorta]

I really don't understand what the big deal is about the 10 companies. There are only 2 options on the table. The first is everything stays the same and there are 'zero' legal groweries OR there are 'ten' and its legal. I think its better to be proactive and create the change while we can. Instead procrastinate while pushing this its unfair bs and end up getting nothing changed just seems too risky to me. I think we should get the law changed and then see about amending the bill to make it more fair as time goes on. What's so crazy to me is that people are bitching about a monopoly... i mean wtf? This whole fucking thing was started because of a monopoly so one motherfucker could control the paper industry.

 

 

I believe issue 2 would stop any further attempts to legalize it. It's supposedly a bill that essentially makes up a board to see whether or not a bill should go to vote. If they don't think the bill should be a bill then I see them taking the vote ability away, no matter how good the argument should be for or against a new bill.

 

Legalizing weed would NOT create a monopoly, a monopoly is when ONLY 1 person holds all the goods and can set amounts at their leisure. This makes 10 distributors alone... AND allows you to grow your own. No money goes to anybody if you grow your own. You could sell that amount you grow to businesses for a fee and make your own money.

 

Fear and Control is rampart in these people that are against the legalization. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers and scammers out there are trying every propaganda measure they can to keep it illegal... there is simply too much money and control to give up on the legal side of things.

 

 

OK, it's not a monopoly- it's a cartel if you prefer. FWIW, growing your own high quality weed is sort of a pain in the ass if you've ever tried it.

 

The folks that like to toke are touting this bill as "anything is better than nothing". I disagree. All I have to do is look at how legalized gambling is working out in Ohio. Two corporations are raking in huge amounts of cash. That might be a good thing, because pretty soon Dan Gilbert is going to have enough loot to buy Haslam out- assuming he divests himself from the Casino business.

 

This support Issue 3 now, or we're never going to get another chance is BS in my estimation. We're writing legalized pot into the State Constitution with this bill, it's going to be harder than hell to change it if we think it it needs "improving". The folks with the cash who are pumping pot legalization will have the money and political clout to make sure the status quo doesn't change- to their benefit. Let's get a fair bill that will spread the wealth around.

[Westside Steve]

Hoorta, I know people who have in the past grown extremely high quality weed in their homes. It really is relatively easy.

It's much much harder to make commercial quality beer or liquor.

 

Vote it down if it makes you feel better comrade. Big Pharm will thank you.

 

WSS

[hoorta]

Hoorta, I know people who have in the past grown extremely high quality weed in their homes. It really is relatively easy.

It's much much harder to make commercial quality beer or liquor.

 

Vote it down if it makes you feel better comrade. Big Pharm will thank you.

 

WSS

 

Comrade Steve- I have my wine grapes and make my own wine. Labor and time intensive. My pal up in Alaska is considering applying for a commercial license. Your electric company thanks you for your support. MHO is if Issue 3 fails, we'll see a Colorado like bill coming up in the near future. Leave the damn drug companies out of it. Should have bought stock in Pfizer and Lilly when the ED drugs came out, and cashed in on the profits.

[jcam222]

Hoorta, I know people who have in the past grown extremely high quality weed in their homes. It really is relatively easy.

It's much much harder to make commercial quality beer or liquor.

 

Vote it down if it makes you feel better comrade. Big Pharm will thank you.

 

WSS

I believe whole heartedly that if there were miracle chemicals in weed big pharma would already have it synthesized and monetized.