calfoxwc Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Well, I heard the quesiton asked this morning on the radio by a guest. Read the following information, and let's discuss it if you like. Are we? or, not? In dangerous un-American times? ************************************************************* Modern History Sourcebook: Benito Mussolini: What is Fascism, 1932 Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism" [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome]. Mussolini came to power after the "March on Rome" in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel. In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism. Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death.... ...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after... ...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society.... After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage.... ...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress.... ...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State.... The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State.... ...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone.... ...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Dan, if you don't have anything intelligent to discuss on this legit subject, just stay out of my threads. You think moveonupobama'sleg.org or CNN is going to bring this up? This is legit from the souce it came from. It isn't a hit piece by Republicans. It's history numbnuts. Be in denial all you want. Explain how the words of Mussolini do not give cause to seriously feel ill because of Obama's intents and actions. Either explain WHY you disagree, or go away. The typical "let's avoid the subject" is hardly constructive. How much damage would Obama have to do to our freedoms before you start to wonder what is going on? I prefer to wonder well ahead of "too late". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Well, I heard the quesiton asked this morning on the radio by a guest. Read the following information, and let's discuss it if you like. Are we? or, not? In dangerous un-American times? ************************************************************* Modern History Sourcebook: Benito Mussolini: What is Fascism, 1932 I never went to any of those links Dan. I read this information about Benito Mussolini and it seriously caught my attention Do... you... have... any... serious.... thoughts.... about.... what... I .... posted... as.... far.... as... this.... information... about Mussolini and FASCISM. Why change the subject to something you don't have to think about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Yeah I have a thought about this, Unoriginal drivel from the republican talking points of the day, Obama is a marxist, Obama is hitler, Obama is the antichrist, Obama is coming for your guns, Obama kills babys, Obama wears womens clothing, Obama is jimmy carter in black face The presidents approval rating continues to go up every week and is doing a good job,I get it that you dont think so but that is to be expected so rather than call him names explain what you dont like. Well if you recall it was Bush that was Hitler. Also I've never seen proof that Obama cross dresses and the color looks natural to me. The rest is up for debate. But seriously 57% of the great unwashed think we're "heading in the wrong direction." FWIW. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Obama is a marxist, Obama is hitler, Obama is the antichrist, Obama is coming for your guns, Obama kills babys, Obama wears womens clothing, Obama is jimmy carter in black face Fixed Obama's approval rating continues to go down every week and is doing a good job for all socialist dictators ,I get drunk at it that you think but that is to be expected I thought Clinton was our first black president? damn the boy must be color blind. But I see your coming around, wising up there a little bit dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 if you do one of those interweb searches, its fairly clear that his approvals are going in a very different direction than up......when the san francisco chronicle is critical of a democrat, it raises some eyebrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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