The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 The topic came up elsewhere, but I am giving it a separate treatment. Here are some of the worst of the worst of Browns first round draft busts. You are welcome to add to it: 1995 Craig Powell LB played only 3 games with Browns, moved to Baltimore, only played 9 there. 1988 Clifford Charlton. LB Started 1 game for the Browns. Did play in 30 others as backup. 1987 Mike Junkin. LB Made only 7 starts for Browns. Played in only 15 NFL games. 1979 Willis Adams. WR Made only 10 starts (but did play in 75 games.....a 2d stringer) 1968 Marvin Upshaw DE Made only 10 starts for the Browns (but did have a long career with KC) 1962 Leroy Jackson. RB played -0- games for Browns, only 15 for Washington. I believe he may have been a part of the Ernie Davis trade 1955 Kurt Burris OC Did not play one game in the NFL. 1954 Bobby Garrett #1 overall QB. Cut by the Browns in training camp. played in 9 NFL games with Green Bay, but no starts. In essence you could say that it would be a much shorter list to list successful Browns 1st rounders than their busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Or, perhaps let me do it this way: This is the Good, the Mediocre and the Ugly of Browns first round picks over the years: The Good: Jim Brown Paul Warfield Clay Matthews Joe Thomas Gary Collins Chip Banks Hanford Dixon Eric Metcalf Mike Pruitt Ozzie Newsome Clarence Scott Jim Houston Thom Darden Eric Turner Alex Mack Joe Haden Ken Konz (pro bowl DB from the 50s) The Mediocre: Doug Atkins...Hall of Famer, but for Bears, not Browns Ron Johnson.....traded to NYG Derrick Alexander....career mostly with other teams Gerard Warren....bust for Browns....mediocre for most of career with other teams Kameron Wimbley.....ditto Jeff Faine....traded to N.O. Bob Matheson....most of career in Miami Braylon Edwards. Mike Phipps Marvin Upshaw...most of career with KC Kellen Winslow II Steve Everitt Bob McKay Tim Couch Antonio Langham Charles White ....most of career with Rams Jim Shofner Preston Carpenter Phil Taylor Don Rogers...career cut short Ken Carpenter next post...the Bad/Ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 The Ugly...Busts: Courtney Brown Rich Kreitling Tommy Vardell Mack Mitchell Robert Jackson (LB...not OG) Brandon Weeden William Green Pete Adams Barkevious Mingo....so far anyway Steve Holden Willis Adams Johnny Manziel Tom Hutchinson Leroy Jackson Bert Rechichar Justin Gilbert...so far anyway Clifford Charlton Mike Junkin Brady Quinn Craig Powell Bobby Garrett John Bauer Kurt Burris Harry Agannis There are far more members in the Ugly crown than in the other two: Good or mediocre. Out of 62 first round selections, I count only 17 that can be considered "Good" for the Browns anyway (a few good went elsewhere, like Atkins) That is only a 27.4 % success rate. Terrible in my opinion. Two players I did not include: Shelton/Erving....too soon to tell....but why, with the above track record, do I not like the chances for these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let me repeat: Browns history of having a good first round draft pick: 27.4%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let me repeat - it's in the past. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let me repeat - it's in the past. Let it go. Repeat? You know what they say....those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Brown have repeatedly made bad choices in the past with their draft....often by reaching for players because of "need". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Oh, it's true, Gip, but I don't see any dimwittedness in Hue. It's a new Hue era. He won't botch a first round pick in his HC career. and Farmer is gone.....I'm great with starting over smart, for the first time since '99. New Day Dawning ! We have met the enemy, and it isn't our own FO or coaching anymore ! Things are lookin up, as long as we don't dwell on the miserable past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Let me repeat: Browns history of having a good first round draft pick: 27.4%. I have no arguments with any of your selections. Let me repeat - it's in the past. Let it go. Gip beat me to it Cal. If we extended it to the "premium" picks- the first three rounds, It gets worse. Greg Little, Brian Slow-biski, Mohamed Massivedrop. Let's hope the new guys can bat better than .274. A lot of those "good" picks predate 1999. After that, it's been two. the Joes- Thomas and Haden. = 12.5%. The reason for suckage is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 "Browns First round draft Busts" Is there enough internet bandwidth for this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Oh, it's true, Gip, but I don't see any dimwittedness in Hue. It's a new Hue era. He won't botch a first round pick in his HC career. and Farmer is gone.....I'm great with starting over smart, for the first time since '99. New Day Dawning ! We have met the enemy, and it isn't our own FO or coaching anymore ! Things are lookin up, as long as we don't dwell on the miserable past. I hope you are right Pogo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Out of 62 first round selections, I count only 17 that can be considered "Good" for the Browns anyway (a few good went elsewhere, like Atkins) That is only a 27.4 % success rate. Terrible in my opinion. I know we've had some really bad luck there....no dispute.....but I once read a great article that calculated the league average in the low 30's.....so we're not the only ones and probably just not as tuned into other teams picks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I have no arguments with any of your selections. Gip beat me to it Cal. If we extended it to the "premium" picks- the first three rounds, It gets worse. Greg Little, Brian Slow-biski, Mohamed Massivedrop. Let's hope the new guys can bat better than .274. A lot of those "good" picks predate 1999. After that, it's been two. the Joes- Thomas and Haden. = 12.5%. The reason for suckage is obvious. Well, I will include Mack, even though we will now lose him, so only Mack, Thomas, Haden can be put in the Good category, this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 "Browns First round draft Busts" Is there enough internet bandwidth for this question? Yes, but it is now all used up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I know we've had some really bad luck there....no dispute.....but I once read a great article that calculated the league average in the low 30's.....so we're not the only ones and probably just not as tuned into other teams picks.... I haven't done it for any other team, or league wide. I would have predicted it to be somewhere in the 40 percentile range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I haven't done it for any other team, or league wide. I would have predicted it to be somewhere in the 40 percentile range. another interesting stat is only about 10% of first round picks ever even make a pro-bowl....so, while most teams hope for stars, they rarely get em.....and most pro-bowlers are not first round picks..... Examples from our last 11 pro bowlers, only 4 were 1st rd picks....Barnidge 5th rd, Cameron 4th rd, Gipson 5th rd, Cribbs udfa, Ward 2nd rd, Dawson UDFA, Gordon 2nd rd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 another interesting stat is only about 10% of first round picks ever even make a pro-bowl....so, while most teams hope for stars, they rarely get em.....and most pro-bowlers are not first round picks..... Examples from our last 11 pro bowlers, only 4 were 1st rd picks....Barnidge 5th rd, Cameron 4th rd, Gipson 5th rd, Cribbs udfa, Ward 2nd rd, Dawson UDFA, Gordon 2nd rd.... Gipson was a UDFA, not a 5th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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