Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Albert Breer Verified account @AlbertBreer Dug a little -- Per sources, issue for UCLA LB Myles Jack is a chondral defect in his right knee. Problem it'll be for him is up for debate. 2:19 PM - 24 Apr 2016 FYI... A chondral defect refers to a focal area of damage to the articular cartilage (the cartilage that lines the end of the bones). An osteochondral defect refers to a focal area of damage that involves both the cartilage and a piece of underlying bone. Chondral/Osteochondral Defect | Stanford Health Care https://stanfordhealthcare.org/...joints.../chondral-osteochondral-defect.html This is distinctly different than arthritis and should be thought of differently as the treatments are significantly different as well. Unfortunately, an isolated cartilage defect, without any underlying bone attached to the fragment, is not commonly repairable. The cartilage is often not viable when it is separated from the bone and therefore must be removed which can be done with an arthroscopic procedure. However, the now exposed bone should be treated, if possible, to attempt to stimulate growth of new cartilage. Some healthy flaps of cartilage can be repaired by special techniques. This would need to be discussed in detail with your surgeon. One technique for treating isolated cartilage defects is called a "microfracture". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alporcini Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 And the day of the draft it came out that Warren Sapp was a pothead. So he slid to 12. Smoke screens all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 He's got Andre Wadsworth written all over him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 No production and now no cartilage in his knee. The circle will be complete when he's drafted by Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 No production......... WTF? Guess you don't watch Pac 12 football........... Past your bed time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I live in San Diego. His production does not match asinine projections I'm reading about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 yeah this is what I've been reading. Smoke screening someone as a pot head is different than having knee issues. I mean look everyone is sayng Clowneys done and he stepped in a little hole in the ground. If ur already at that point with your knee like Jack is.....I dunno. I mean I wouldn't mind having him cause his upside is nice, but if we're going defense front I don't want him over Bosa, Spence or Buckner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I live in San Diego. His production does not match asinine projections I'm reading about him I've seen all of his games over the past few years, and production would be one of the top 3 single words I would use to describe him. The other two being play-maker and motor. Hopefully the Browns' Drs. are top notch and can decipher reality from fear. I'm not big on "projection", as it has no basis in reality. Men either do, or they do not, and it doesn't matter what a group of people said that he may, or may not do. All of that said, his knee is a concern and the last thing the Browns can afford to do at 8 is pick a player that can't stay on the field........... Glad I'm not making the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 It is reason enough for many teams to bypass him... They won't take a chance with their high draft pick. I say he does fall considerably because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I've seen all of his games over the past few years, and production would be one of the top 3 single words I would use to describe him. The other two being play-maker and motor. Hopefully the Browns' Drs. are top notch and can decipher reality from fear. I'm not big on "projection", as it has no basis in reality. Men either do, or they do not, and it doesn't matter what a group of people said that he may, or may not do. All of that said, his knee is a concern and the last thing the Browns can afford to do at 8 is pick a player that can't stay on the field........... Glad I'm not making the pick. If the Browns pick this guy- I may toss something at the screen. It is reason enough for many teams to bypass him... They won't take a chance with their high draft pick. I say he does fall considerably because of this. Shades of KW II. We absolutely can't be taking chances on first round guys with known injury issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 His production was not elite, at least from what I want out of a 3-4 inside linebacker. If you wan't a cover linebacker with the 8th overall pick, even without a bum knee, then .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 His production was not elite, at least from what I want out of a 3-4 inside linebacker. If you wan't a cover linebacker with the 8th overall pick, even without a bum knee, then .... Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 it's spence or bosa at DE/OLB'er. I lean toward Bosa because we already have a Spence type olb'er in orchard. I'd prefer a more jack type like Kruger and Armonty were. A guy that theoretically could slide inside and play the 5 tech in certain situations. But I wouldn't be upset with Spence. We're still gonna have issues against the run though. With Bosa you could at least see someone that's gonna be stiff against the run on that left side and someone they can't wash out with a TE (ie like Kruger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 it's spence or bosa at DE/OLB'er. I lean toward Bosa because we already have a Spence type olb'er in orchard. I'd prefer a more jack type like Kruger and Armonty were. A guy that theoretically could slide inside and play the 5 tech in certain situations. But I wouldn't be upset with Spence. We're still gonna have issues against the run though. With Bosa you could at least see someone that's gonna be stiff against the run on that left side and someone they can't wash out with a TE (ie like Kruger) Bosa won't be there at 8, no way. I am not counting on that. I will fall over if he is. Noah Spence I doubt will go until the 20s. If the Browns drop down again, which they may, then they may grab him somewhere in the teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Agree... can't see Bosa getting by both the 'Boys and JAX... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 shades of KW II. We absolutely can't be taking chances on first round guys with known injury issues. I really was in favor of trading down and picking him but this knee thing scares me. I think we have to take a pass...sure he could turn out to be LT but he also could be out of the league in a year with a crap knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Bosa at 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Bosa at 8 He doesn't seem explosive/twitchy enough to me, although I admit I haven't seen him play very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I thought that too after seeing how he tested. But I watched again, and the way he plays... he's something every D needs. He can explode and sets the edge. People say this all the time, but Bosa actually does it. Really strong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Really strong hands. I'd say something, but we've been getting along so well... For me Bosa is still a question of scheme fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Bosa can play multiple positions in multiple fronts. And that's how Ray Horton plays defense. From the horse's mouth: "That's the most important thing to me – what do we look like, not what we line up in. We may be a 3-4 on one snap. We may be a 4-3 on another snap. I guarantee you we'll be a 5-2 sometimes, and we'll be a 4-4 sometimes. We are a multi-front, attacking defense, and that's the most important thing." "That may mean one snap being 5-2, the next snap it may be 4-4. It will be predicated by what the offense does. We have athletes that can stand up, that can put their hand in the ground, that can run, so that's why I go back to the multi-front defense." I don't think there's even a question other than if he'll be available at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 and he so wants to play in cleveland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Bosa can play multiple positions in multiple fronts. And that's how Ray Horton plays defense. From the horse's mouth: "That's the most important thing to me – what do we look like, not what we line up in. We may be a 3-4 on one snap. We may be a 4-3 on another snap. I guarantee you we'll be a 5-2 sometimes, and we'll be a 4-4 sometimes. We are a multi-front, attacking defense, and that's the most important thing."[/size] "That may mean one snap being 5-2, the next snap it may be 4-4. It will be predicated by what the offense does. We have athletes that can stand up, that can put their hand in the ground, that can run, so that's why I go back to the multi-front defense."[/size] I don't think there's even a question other than if he'll be available at 8.[/size] He had best get the personnel to do so. Browns need Linebackers galore to substitute and blitz with fresh bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Trade up from #8 (to JAX at 5 perhaps) and select Jalen ramsey - arguably the most freakishly athletic player in the draft, who boasts position flexibility, grades out as both the best CB and FS, and his sparq score places him in the top 1% of all CBs in the NFL. At #32 trade up if Myles Jack drops into the 20's (but not at 22...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 So much for amassing picks... Bosa can play multiple positions in multiple fronts. "That may mean one snap being 5-2, the next snap it may be 4-4. " Not a question of "can". It's "how well"... Bosa is going to be a good, even a very good, player. But the more time he spends outside in a 4-3 facing his opponent's #2 OT, the better he will do. Drop him inside in 3rd and longs and he'll have moments there as well. As for Horton's approach... I seem to recall the same being said in 2013... and it not being born out once the season started. Sure we'll see predictable, situational looks, but multiple looks haven't truly been featured by a Browns defense since Ryan and Mangini left town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 So much for amassing picks... Ramsey is an analytics pick. Jack is to reward me for watching the entire first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Ramsey is an analytics pick. Jack is to reward me for watching the entire first round. lol... well in that case... hope you're as bored as the rest of us after ~21:00 CDT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 So much for amassing picks... Not a question of "can". It's "how well"... Bosa is going to be a good, even a very good, player. But the more time he spends outside in a 4-3 facing his opponent's #2 OT, the better he will do. Drop him inside in 3rd and longs and he'll have moments there as well. basically replace kruger wiith Bosa....I would be totally ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If available at 8 Elliot, Buckner or Conklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 basically replace kruger wiith Bosa....I would be totally ok with that. As would I at #8, but the net gain for a R1 pick would be dependant upon which Kruger we were replacing... the 2014 or the 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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