calfoxwc Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 still waiting for the cowardly, social screwupengineery gays to go to a mosque and demand they marry them, or a Muslim bakery..... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/04/26/christian-bakers-fight-back-after-being-forced-to-pay-nearly-137000-for-refusing-gay-wedding-cake-now-theyre-lawyer-reveals-his-5-major-arguments-against-the-govt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 OK serious question cal...full disclosure I wouldn't force these bakers to bake a gay wedding cake if I was emperor..i'd tell the queers to go find a gay friendly bakery i'm "quite" sure there are those around. However, given that I know where I reside I know full well that if the bakers win the case....what little cocksucking candyass is next to say I don't want to serve gays, or whatever minority someone feels like discriminating against that day. This is the serious part and one that struggle with. Cause in principle I would like to think we don't need to be forcing a business to bake a stupid cake for someone.....but on the flip side where should the line be drawn? Should any business be able to deny service to someone for whatever reason? So could in theory a grocery store chain decide that they didn't want to serve people who walked around openly with religious necklaces or whatever. So nobody could walk into the establishment with a turban or cross or whatever those stupid little things are that joos wear on their heads..... There's got to be some non essential business's we can say look if they don't want to serve you than find someone else. But we can't do that with every business though right? Can you imagine the social upheaval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 It would essentially lead to segregation, gay ghettos, and another ghetto for whichever other group of people can be legally discriminated against. I agree that in an ideal world we can respect people's religions and there'd be no problems. But when it moves from doctors, to taxi drivers, to pilots, to doctors, it gets iffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 OK serious question cal...full disclosure I wouldn't force these bakers to bake a gay wedding cake if I was emperor..i'd tell the queers to go find a gay friendly bakery i'm "quite" sure there are those around. However, given that I know where I reside I know full well that if the bakers win the case....what little cocksucking candyass is next to say I don't want to serve gays, or whatever minority someone feels like discriminating against that day. This is the serious part and one that struggle with. Cause in principle I would like to think we don't need to be forcing a business to bake a stupid cake for someone.....but on the flip side where should the line be drawn? Should any business be able to deny service to someone for whatever reason? So could in theory a grocery store chain decide that they didn't want to serve people who walked around openly with religious necklaces or whatever. So nobody could walk into the establishment with a turban or cross or whatever those stupid little things are that joos wear on their heads..... There's got to be some non essential business's we can say look if they don't want to serve you than find someone else. But we can't do that with every business though right? Can you imagine the social upheaval? I think this case depends on what is being denied exactly. You cannot deny a gay person who wants a birthday cake or just a cake or any other goods based on the fact that they are gay. With that I 100% agree, you deny a service specifically due to that then yeah thats discrimination and you need to be prosecuted for it. However, if you state before hand I want you to bake a cake for a gay wedding and if you do not believe in such things based on a sincerely held religious belief, then you should not be compelled to participate in the wedding. This is a narrow scope in my opinion. Its the act of forcing someone to participate in something that is against their religious beliefs. This would be in essence like telling a Muslim butcher to cater a pig picking or something. Should a Muslim baker be forced to decorate a cake with the image of Mohammed the prophet? This to me falls into the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 You can deny someone service for any reason - sounds reasonable enough for me. Take your business to their competitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 You can deny someone service for any reason - sounds reasonable enough for me. Take your business to their competitor. So a pharmacist could deny you a late night script that might be for your kid cause he just doesn't like the way you look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 So a pharmacist could deny you a late night script that might be for your kid cause he just doesn't like the way you look? Well that's different than a wedding cake, and regulated to an extent by federal and local governments/regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 What if a pharmacist decides all people with diabetes are fat fucking morons who's own lifestyle got them da beets and thinks handing out insulin scripts is simply enabling a generation of fat fucks to keep doing everything the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Well that's different than a wedding cake, and regulated to an extent by federal and local governments/regulations. Well that's what I'm getting at, which budiness's get protection to do fuck whatever and which don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If two white supremacists come in and want a swastika wedding cake is it alright to deny them service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If two white supremacists come in and want a swastika wedding cake is it alright to deny them service? This is my favorite type of argument - the one the opponent cannot win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I would like to think this wouldn't need to be a law. But if we did that, blacks would still have their own water fountains. And the main difference I would see in the gay marriage example vs what some other posters have given as hypotheticals on here is choice. The gays didn't choose to be gay. The white supremacists chose to hate. If it weren't for certain parts of the country that would basically just ban gays, this wouldn't be an issue. But you shouldn't be able to deny service to someone based on a trait they have no control over. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 You can deny someone service for any reason - sounds reasonable enough for me. Take your business to their competitor. I don't think that's true. I think. Joints put that up on the wall but I don't think they could enforce it legally. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 I don't think that's true. I think. Joints put that up on the wall but I don't think they could enforce it legally. WSS They can but they can't discriminate based on race, a few other things. Sexual orientation is not covered under federal anti discrimination laws yet iirc So they can refuse service to you if you're a dick, smell bad, etc. Some states also protect against clothing too - but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 They can but they can't discriminate based on race, a few other things. Sexual orientation is not covered under federal anti discrimination laws yet iirc So they can refuse service to you if you're a dick, smell bad, etc. Some states also protect against clothing too - but not all. Oh well I think you're wrong. I don't know if the bakery case will get to the Supreme Court but I suppose we'll find out then. So far it looks pretty cut-and-dried. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 What if a pharmacist decides all people with diabetes are fat fucking morons who's own lifestyle got them da beets and thinks handing out insulin scripts is simply enabling a generation of fat fucks to keep doing everything the same Stuart I've decided you're a fat fucking moron. You libfucks "debating" an issue... you keep reaching, fabricating one inane and unrealistic scenario after another, thinking you are winning the debate. The word "reasonable" is not in your vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 look, woodypeckerhead, one more time, again. There is no moral/religious tenet that has to do with the color of someone's skin. There IS about marriage. Try not to be such a moron, woodybirdbrain. Either STFU, or at least try to contribute to the conversation at hand. the bakers would have sold the gay activist/economic terrorist/troublemakers a cake. They didn't want to make it a gay wedding cake, because of their religious beliefs. This constant trying to turn everything upside down and inside out, and bass-ackwards, is really causing serious division in our country. We have freedom of religion - the religion haters want to take it away with tyranny. the persecution of Christians by gays is tyranny. The left always says "live and let live"...until they get the power to destroy other peoples' lives that they disagree with. Weird how that works. It's time to start disbarring any judge that openly defies Constitutional Law. This liberal activism must stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 The outraged sensitive pussified fat ass generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 look, woodypeckerhead, one more time, again. There is no moral/religious tenet that has to do with the color of someone's skin. There IS about marriage. Try not to be such a moron, woodybirdbrain. Either STFU, or at least try to contribute to the conversation at hand. the bakers would have sold the gay activist/economic terrorist/troublemakers a cake. They didn't want to make it a gay wedding cake, because of their religious beliefs. This constant trying to turn everything upside down and inside out, and bass-ackwards, is really causing serious division in our country. We have freedom of religion - the religion haters want to take it away with tyranny. the persecution of Christians by gays is tyranny. The left always says "live and let live"...until they get the power to destroy other peoples' lives that they disagree with. Weird how that works. It's time to start disbarring any judge that openly defies Constitutional Law. This liberal activism must stop. Always playing the victim.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 This is my favorite type of argument - the one the opponent cannot win Well the flip side is, if a guy with a partially concealed swastika tattoo comes in is perfectly nice and pleasant and just wants a banana nut muffin is it OK to deny him service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Well the flip side is, if a guy with a partially concealed swastika tattoo comes in is perfectly nice and pleasant and just wants a banana nut muffin is it OK to deny him service? I'm going out on a limb and guessing that it will usually be okay to refuse service to any subgroup that doesn't seem like they would vote Democrat. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 I would like to think this wouldn't need to be a law. But if we did that, blacks would still have their own water fountains. And the main difference I would see in the gay marriage example vs what some other posters have given as hypotheticals on here is choice. The gays didn't choose to be gay. The white supremacists chose to hate. If it weren't for certain parts of the country that would basically just ban gays, this wouldn't be an issue. But you shouldn't be able to deny service to someone based on a trait they have no control over. IMO So you think it would be ok to deny service because they want something you are uncomfortable with that feels wrong to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 The outraged sensitive pussified fat ass generation. do your swollen ankles ever get in the way of reaching for the remote or your insulin kit if the VN accidently left them out of reach of the recliner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Well the flip side is, if a guy with a partially concealed swastika tattoo comes in is perfectly nice and pleasant and just wants a banana nut muffin is it OK to deny him service?I think in 20 States it's illegal to deny service based on dress/appearance I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or another, I just think it makes sense to take your business elsewhere. If these gay guys went somewhere else that place could have gotten a ton of business from LGBT supporters probably just from being national news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 I think in 20 States it's illegal to deny service based on dress/appearance I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or another, I just think it makes sense to take your business elsewhere. If these gay guys went somewhere else that place could have gotten a ton of business from LGBT supporters probably just from being national news For a business like a bakery, I'm not completely against that. But where do we draw the line? Which business's can deny goods/services based on religious convictions and which can't? Do we allow grocery store owners to say we don't like jews so no beanie's or long side burns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 For a business like a bakery, I'm not completely against that. But where do we draw the line? Which business's can deny goods/services based on religious convictions and which can't? Do we allow grocery store owners to say we don't like jews so no beanie's or long side burns? I think that's going to be the problem please. And for reasons I've belabored before, people like to shock and offend other people. Both the gay people and the anti gay people could just as easily give this whole situation a pass, but what fun is that? Ironically on two occasions I was refused entrance to night clubs once because I was white and the other because I was possibly straight. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 I was denied in a club once because my shirt was a solid color - even though it was a nice polo. It was in Toledo so I didn't really care about it - everything sucks there, just choose the next terrible place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 There is an Irish pub in Erie Pennsylvania that has a long list of outfit No No's on the wall as you come in. Everything from hats backwards or sideways to droopy jeans to exposed underwear to medallions... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 and the other because I was possibly straight. WSS what does that tell you if the queers weren't 100% sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 So you think it would be ok to deny service because they want something you are uncomfortable with that feels wrong to you? Please give an example. I was stating that it seems like our laws would be based around denying service for something the customer can't control (gender, race, sexual orientation). Though, it would be nice if we didn't need any of those laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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