Pumpkin Eater Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 It's within the margin of error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pow-its-just-a-2-point-race-clinton-38-trump-36/article/2599471 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 dumb thing about polls... I suspect a lot of folks will poll for the green party, etc... but really, when they go to actually vote,,, they will choose the one candidate that is major choice to win, because otherwise, it's wasted vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Oh but I thought Trump's campaign was a failing mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The best thing going for Trump is Hillary Clinton. She had trouble beating an unknown socialist Sanders in the primary. I think Trump has run a horrible campaign but since he is up against Hildebeast he could still pull this off not because of any 3d chess strategy nonsense but simply because Clinton is that terrible of a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The best thing going for Trump is Hillary Clinton. She had trouble beating an unknown socialist Sanders in the primary. I think Trump has run a horrible campaign but since he is up against Hildebeast he could still pull this off not because of any 3d chess strategy nonsense but simply because Clinton is that terrible of a candidate. 4d candyland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I think that there's a quiet minority that's like me. I hold a mix of liberal and conservative views. I further think that quiet majority is probably as sick of ultra liberals calling us all racists and bigots and morons and sexists as I am. So, I won't be surprised if a lot of people quietly vote for trump to stuck it to a lot of loudmouth, arrogant assholes who literally trash your entire character if you disagree with them about anything. If trump wins I will quietly enjoy the sweet liberal tears of unfathomable sadness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I find it odd that all the polls only call landlines during business hours too. I guess that explains why in some of them the amount of 18-34 y/o respondents is basically 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just don't get your hopes up all the polling is wrong. Everytime my candidate is losing in the polls and I try to cling to reasons the polls are wrong I get rudely awakened when the polls are right. When McCain ran there were supposed to be huge amounts of democrat women voters claiming they would vote for him over Obama because they were upset Hillary lost to him. It never happened. With Romney I heard the polls weren't accurate because there were many people who didn't want to tell a pollster they weren't voting for the first black president. Also the polls themselves have a huge incentive to be accurate as they want to have that reputation and not one for being inaccurate. They have a big incentive to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 In 04 the pollsters doing the exit polling did strike out badly. Watching the news that day all the lib newscasters were getting kind of giddy about Kerry being elected and would be hinting they knew something the public didn't. What they knew were exit polls showing Kerry beating Bush. When the first returns started coming in with Bush winning they were stunned in disbelief because this was not what the exit polls had showed. If I remember right it was the type of questions the pollsters asked. Polling is not an exact science and they can be wrong but I would hate to have to rely on the polls being wrong because they get it right more often than not especially the clear average of all the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 More Of The Same: Donald Trump Down Big To Hillary In Key Swing State Polls Over the next three months there will be a plethora of polling data made available to the public. Sooner or later, Hillary Clinton will get into some kind of trouble and the polls will tighten somewhat. Or Donald Trump will perform better than expected in a debate. As it stands now however, Donald Trump is in deep trouble. The 538 forecast at the moment has Hillary's likelihood of winning the election at close to 89%. The latest Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll is not going to help. Quinnipiac polled voters in Iowa, Colorado and Virginia and as expected, Trump is doing lousy in the latter two. Both candidates have negative favorability ratings in each state, but Republican Donald Trump's 2-1 negative scores are much higher. More Clinton voters say they mainly are voting anti-Trump than pro-Clinton. Among Trump supporters, the anti-Clinton motive tops the pro- Trump motive 2-1, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds. The presidential matchups show: Colorado - Clinton beats Trump 49 - 39 percent; Iowa - Clinton at 47 percent to Trump's 44 percent; Virginia - Clinton tops Trump 50 - 38 percent. Pay close attention to the part about Trump's negatives. There are too many people who dismiss the notion of likability as a big trait voters look at when deciding who to support. People who follow politics closely seemingly forget most people do not. They're not looking at polling cross-tabs. They're not reading 50 political articles a day, arguing on Twitter or Facebook over the latest Trump campaign shakeup or watching cable news shows. They see bits and pieces and say, "I really don't like Donald Trump." The worst part is, with the addition of Steve Bannon, it may not better. Bannon wants the Donald Trump who goes off message, railing about the ethnicity of judges, shouting, "Crooked Hillary!" and being the one who "fights" the media. It works for that small sliver of voters he relied on to get through the primaries but as the evidence shows, it is not going to work in a general election. http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/08/18/donald-trump-down-big-hillary-key-swing-state-polls/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 There were 3 polls I believe that just came out, including this one, that have them in a virtual tie. Trump's team said internal polling showed a very close race too. He starts running ads tomorrow, so it'll start to kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 In my opinion Trump has a much better chance of winning being the "boring" Trump reading policy speeches from a teleprompter and staying on message. If he would listen to Manafort he would be a lot better off but he can't do it. Trump's gotta be Trump. The problems Trump is having now are all self inflicted wounds of Trump being Trump. So let's double down on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 In my opinion Trump has a much better chance of winning being the "boring" Trump reading policy speeches from a teleprompter and staying on message. If he would listen to Manafort he would be a lot better off but he can't do it. Trump's gotta be Trump. The problems Trump is having now are all self inflicted wounds of Trump being Trump. So let's double down on that. Trump has been very boring this week - and it's been very well received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trump has been very boring this week - and it's been very well received. Just trash talk your opponent. Trash Talk the Steelers not your teammates not your coaches not the sports writers not the fans. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just trash talk your opponent. Trash Talk the Steelers not your teammates not your coaches not the sports writers not the fans. WSS Excellent WSS...hit the nail on the head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 More from our democrat plant running for prez as a republican: Guys, We Should Give Hillary the Benefit of the Doubt on this Clinton Foundation Thing Trump sounded reluctant to go after Clinton in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, which the pro-Trump host aired on Wednesday. "We know that gays and lesbians in Saudi Arabia can get the death penalty ... would you ever take money from a country that treats gays, lesbians, Jews and Christians that way?" Hannity asked. "Well you don't want to do that and if they knew about it that would be one thing and I assume they knew about it, bigly, but certainly they know about it now so maybe they can give the money back," Trump said, as the crowd laughed at his answer. "Wait a minute, they knew about it," Hannity interrupted, "because that has been Saudi Arabia's practice for years." "But you know what, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. They certainly knew —" Trump said before Hannity cut him off. "You're going to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt?" Hannity interjected. "I'm not." "You know what, you know what, they should give the money back," Trump responded. Hey Trump wants to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt on this. That's some tough talkin' hard campaignin' right there, right? Right?? Lest we forget: Trump in 2008: Hillary Clinton would make a "great" president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 More from our democrat plant running for prez as a republican: Guys, We Should Give Hillary the Benefit of the Doubt on this Clinton Foundation Thing Trump sounded reluctant to go after Clinton in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, which the pro-Trump host aired on Wednesday. "We know that gays and lesbians in Saudi Arabia can get the death penalty ... would you ever take money from a country that treats gays, lesbians, Jews and Christians that way?" Hannity asked. "Well you don't want to do that and if they knew about it that would be one thing and I assume they knew about it, bigly, but certainly they know about it now so maybe they can give the money back," Trump said, as the crowd laughed at his answer. "Wait a minute, they knew about it," Hannity interrupted, "because that has been Saudi Arabia's practice for years." "But you know what, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. They certainly knew " Trump said before Hannity cut him off. "You're going to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt?" Hannity interjected. "I'm not." "You know what, you know what, they should give the money back," Trump responded. Hey Trump wants to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt on this. That's some tough talkin' hard campaignin' right there, right? Right?? Redstate or whatever cuck outlet you got this from is taking this out of context. Trump has called out the Clinton foundation, even made internet ads and stuff. If anybody except Trump got the nomination they wouldn't even talk about the Clinton foundation - because a whole lot of people are involved other than the Clintons - on both sides -- He essentially said they should give the money back to Saudi Arabia - which is what "benefit of the doubt" encompasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trump in 2008: Hillary Clinton would make a "great" president...taken out of context again Mark Levin has a question for Donald Trump about his new CEO and some criticism he leveled at Ted Cruz during the primary: Mark Levin wants to know if Trump is controlled by Goldman Sachs. If you remember, Trump criticized Ted Cruz for being controlled by Goldman Sachs because his wife, Heidi Cruz, worked there. Well it turns out Steve Bannon, Trump’s new CEO, used to work at Goldman Sachs as well. So Levin wants to know if Trump is now controlled by Sachs, the same was Cruz was controlled by Sachs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trump is getting hurled those softball questions from a sycophant like Hannity and even Hannity has to coach him to get the right answer. Trump wants to give Hildebeast the benefit of the doubt of not knowing how badly gays, women, Christians and Jews are treated in Saudi Arabia....that is laughable that a former senator and sec of state would be ignorant about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trump in 2008: Hillary Clinton would make a "great" president...taken out of context again Mark Levin has a question for Donald Trump about his new CEO and some criticism he leveled at Ted Cruz during the primary: Mark Levin wants to know if Trump is controlled by Goldman Sachs. If you remember, Trump criticized Ted Cruz for being controlled by Goldman Sachs because his wife, Heidi Cruz, worked there. Well it turns out Steve Bannon, Trump’s new CEO, used to work at Goldman Sachs as well. So Levin wants to know if Trump is now controlled by Sachs, the same was Cruz was controlled by Sachs? Mark Levin is a beta cuck. Why would Trump want to make issues with potential <it seemed pretty likely at the time> president of the United States with deep ties to NY and NYC. Ted Cruz had a lot of special interest money from Goldman Sachs, in addition to his wife Heidi working in a higher-up position there, in addition to extremely generous loans he 'forgot' to disclose. The Mormon faggot who's wasting money in Utah that Levin worships has deep shady ties too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Trump is getting hurled those softball questions from a sycophant like Hannity and even Hannity has to coach him to get the right answer. Sorry to hurt your status here (again), but your objectivity is showing... again. Meanwhile back at the thread... from the Examiner article: Trump's team believes that online polls more accurately show the horserace because more and more voters prefer to give their opinions anonymously. bb's point on landline polling is well taken, but how is polling those with internet addy's representative? As for "anonymity"... how is Zagby Analytics' "... nationwide online poll conducted August 12-13, +/-2.8% MOE, (asking) 1,277 likely voters who they would vote for if the election for President were being held today," anonymous? You receive an e-mail sent to an IP, click on a link at an IP and the IP info is sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Sorry to hurt your status here (again), but your objectivity is showing... again. Meanwhile back at the thread... from the Examiner article: Trump's team believes that online polls more accurately show the horserace because more and more voters prefer to give their opinions anonymously. bb's point on landline polling is well taken, but how is polling those with internet addy's representative? As for "anonymity"... how is Zagby Analytics' "... nationwide online poll conducted August 12-13, +/-2.8% MOE, (asking) 1,277 likely voters who they would vote for if the election for President were being held today," anonymous? You receive an e-mail sent to an IP, click on a link at an IP and the IP info is sent. Now if you could just wake up and smell the coffee with Hillary Clinton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Coffee? Haven't brewed that here since Mom passed and then only because I couldn't convert her to espresso for which I've had a machine for over 20 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Oh but I thought Trump's campaign was a failing mess. This is an interesting comment. Earlier, if a poll insisted Trump and Hillary were tied, Ed would claim it is some dirty MSM poll that oversamples Dems. Now we get a poll where they're tied, and it is a win for him. "See!? They're tied! Take that!" He may be putting on a strong front, but reality is setting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 This is an interesting comment. Earlier, if a poll insisted Trump and Hillary were tied, Ed would claim it is some dirty MSM poll that oversamples Dems. Now we get a poll where they're tied, and it is a win for him. "See!? They're tied! Take that!" He may be putting on a strong front, but reality is setting in. I'm not the guy who complained bigly on the polls. I have pointed out they all oversample Democrats, which is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Now we get a poll where they're tied, and it is a win for him. "See!? They're tied! Take that!" Are you arguing that erasing the 20 point margin that Crooked Hillary saw off her convention is not a win for Trump? Trends are much more important than actual numbers at this point in the game. The front page of real clear politics shows that polls on Thursday show Crooked Hillary leading by 2-6 points, with some of those polls being within the margin of error. We're seeing the effects of Trump's pivot and the tapering off of Crooked Hillary's post-convention bump. The point that I've been consistently trying to hammer home to everyone is that the numbers aren't important this far out. The debates are where the race will be decided, and just as it's been all along, whatever happens before then is mostly a wash. And if you aren't buying what I'm saying, let's assume that you believe the spin they put on Trump's criticism of Islam and women: Trump is a racist and hates our dead Muslim soldier. Or his ambiguous comment on the NRA voting bloc being the ones who can keep Hillary from winning - he called for the assassination of crooked Hillary. If you happen to believe either of those two things, then you're probably aghast as to how the polls are still showing that the game is tied. This is called cognitive dissonance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yup... same as cal... except I can spell... I'm not the guy who complained bigly on the polls. lol... You know... I used to think Trump was saying "bigly" as well... then the ABC's video I posted showed me he's been saying "Big League" all along...You have to listen close, but it's there... A little Hodor-like, but it's there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Posted Today, 03:36 PM yep. Posted Today, 06:06 PM Yup... same as cal... except I can spell...*********************************************** Oh, really, now? Yep | Definition of Yep by Merriam-Webster www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yep Merriam‑Webster Define yep: yes — yep in a sentence. ... WORDS AT PLAY · FAVORITES. Follow: yep. play. adverb \ˈyep, or with glottal stop instead of p\. Definition of yep. : yes. Urban Dictionary: yepwww.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yep Urban Dictionary yep - (1) interjection (2)adjective: 1. Affirmative, yes, to convey agreeance. 2. Gives the subject a good characteristic, feeling or appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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