Tour2ma Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 La Canfora article... so it must be true... And includes Jason's obligatory number of shots at the organization... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-owner-pledges-to-stay-the-course-at-recent-full-staff-meeting/ On a serious note... How could it be any other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 On a serious note... How could it be any other way? Right.....and, hopefully, this will stop the call for Hues head.....Glad Jimmy said something..... Buttttttt....no reason one cant tweak an organization.....which is what any quality org has to do to improve.... How often can you hire an entire coaching staff and scouting staff and front office...(30 some people +, yes?) and hit on every one...?? No reason a coach or 2 cant get upgraded....or a quality add cant be made to the Fo..... I will add(cause I have to) that last paragraph sounds like me..... Numerous executives from other clubs have Mud has pointed out how little the Browns are getting thus far from their 2016 draft, how little Haslam has spent on his product (the Browns have by far the lowest payroll in the NFL) and the questionable decisions made to release or allow key players to sign elsewhere as being cause for concern about the current path the team is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkDawg Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 I didn't realize folks are calling for Hue's to be fired already. I didn't expect anything this year but next year better be different or I'll be calling for his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 I didn't realize folks are calling for Hue's to be fired already. I didn't expect anything this year but next year better be different or I'll be calling for his head You must be new here... Buttttttt....no reason one cant tweak an organization.....which is what any quality org has to do to improve.... Absolutely... both personnel and org chart tweaks could be in the cards. But more the former than the latter I'd think. Too many changes, even small ones, obscure the impact they have. Position coaches are most obvious to us. Far less so individual scouts who took wrong positions on multiple players by over and under rating them thus contributing to our drafting disappointments or passing over overachievers. I'm sure someone was keeping score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Haslam Pledges to "Stay the Course" ........................... So did the Captain of the Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 haslam knows shit about football and hires the greatest minds in.........wait.......i know...........analytics. hee hee hee! i wish kosar hadn't spent all his money on booze. maybe he could've organized a group of wealthy KNOWLEDGEABLE football guys to buy this crumbling org and save it from the depths of the icy lake erie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Next year well go at least 1-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 That rotter MKC wrote an article in the week basically saying Sashi is a lawyer and knows nothing about football. I do think fans underestimate sometimes just how ridicuous the pressure from local media is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Absolutely... both personnel and org chart tweaks could be in the cards. But more the former than the latter I'd think. Too many changes, even small ones, obscure the impact they have. Position coaches are most obvious to us. Far less so individual scouts who took wrong positions on multiple players by over and under rating them thus contributing to our drafting disappointments or passing over overachievers. I'm sure someone was keeping score. Most of those scouts were released before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 MKC was on 92.3 the Fan this past week, and she was suggesting that Haslam should hire a GM. That created quite an uproar with the fans calling into the radio station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Most of those scouts were released before the draft. Not unless we have a crystal ball.... which we clearly do not. I'm talking about the 2016 draft and the feedback loop to this FO, h. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 MKC was on 92.3 the Fan this past week, and she was suggesting that Haslam should hire a GM. That created quite an uproar with the fans calling into the radio station. Her and Grossi are poison and have been since changes were made and they were clearly no longer beind fed inside info. They dont care about the Browns at all just their own career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 If the Browns start 0 and 5 next season.. I want them all fired.. Fuck this losing shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 If the Browns start 0 and 5 next season.. I want them all fired.. Fuck this losing shit... Because firing people has made the Browns win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Because firing people has made the Browns win? No BUT as in any biz you have to have keyframes on a timeline where u expect certain goals to be met. Let's say they all knew this was a tank season, you will still expect that certain goals haven't been met but wash it away cuz it's a tank. Now when next year comes along and this is going on does someone in power start the grumbling if it's starting to look like a repeat with bad draft choices and no winning product? I'm not saying 5 games.... i say give them the year BUT (once again) if there is no improvement anywhere then adios amigos. How long will we have tolerated the Holmgren experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Numerous executives from other clubs have pointed out how little the Browns are getting thus far from their 2016 draft, how little Haslam has spent on his product (the Browns have by far the lowest payroll in the NFL) and the questionable decisions made to release or allow key players to sign elsewhere as being cause for concern about the current path the team is on. This is certainly a view of us from 'outside' our bubble of fandome. ...and, of course, from some within the bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Because firing people has made the Browns win? And keeping dumb fucks has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 That whole "stay the course" was taken completely out of context. He actually said, "Bend over, grab your socks and stay the intercourse!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2013 was Joe Banner with 5 picks,which Mingo & Ant. Bryant are gone in 16. Farmer had 6 picks in 2014, remaining is Bitonio & Kirksey. Farmer had 12 picks in 2015. remaining Shelton,Erving,Duke,Orchard,X.Cooper,I.Campell & Telfer....Maybe 2.5 real NFL starters. out of 23 picks..No Anna & Lynics needed here..With 26? picks in next 2 Drafts..This group better have a better plan than last Draft..LIKE not passing on TALENT & Go Up & Get Some.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2013 was Joe Banner with 5 picks,which Mingo & Ant. Bryant are gone in 16. Farmer had 6 picks in 2014, remaining is Bitonio & Kirksey. Farmer had 12 picks in 2015. remaining Shelton,Erving,Duke,Orchard,X.Cooper,I.Campell & Telfer....Maybe 2.5 real NFL starters. out of 23 picks..No Anna & Lynics needed here..With 26? picks in next 2 Drafts..This group better have a better plan than last Draft..LIKE not passing on TALENT & Go Up & Get Some.. Totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgs89 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Better question is how does this organization keep it's once loyal fan base intact? I've never seen the apathy at this level. It will be interesting to see who would consider renewing tickets, plus remain a fan. I'll always be a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Better question is how does this organization keep it's once loyal fan base intact? I've never seen the apathy at this level. It will be interesting to see who would consider renewing tickets, plus remain a fan. I'll always be a fan. I've addressed that in another thread. MHO is season ticket holders in the upper nosebleed sections will have no incentive to renew, as they'll easily be able to get essentially the same seats back in a few years should the Browns start winning. OTOH, the 100 level is another story, as is the lower Dawg Pound. Those seats are valuable, generally held by 30 year+ season ticket holders, and couldn't be replaced, short of laying out a ton of cash to buy back in. Plus (and I hate this) way to many fans in the lower level would rather put them on Stub Hub or NFL Ticket Exchange and sell them off to opposing fans instead of bothering to actually show up themselves for the game. In a way I can't blame them. Why freeze your ass off late season watching lousy football, when you can watch it at home on the widescreen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 When those that abandon their season rights can't get back in when the winning starts, they'll have something else to bitch about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Or they can thank god they didn't waste their time money and effort trying to act like they're having a great time as the opposing teams beat the piss out of the browns. Might even save some fans from divorce or jail. See i'm learning from you, there's an upside to everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 This group better have a better plan than last Draft..LIKE not passing on TALENT & Go Up & Get Some.. What makes you think we will not repeat next year? Wasn't the plan to build more picks and win with quantity? Wasn't that how depot did it in baseball? And have they signaled a different way other than "stay the course"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 When those that abandon their season rights can't get back in when the winning starts, they'll have something else to bitch about. If they start winning will the games still be on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 What makes you think we will not repeat next year? Wasn't the plan to build more picks and win with quantity? They now have "quantity" so there's that... otherwise the plan is the same, but not having to trade down to accumulate picks means they don't have to pass on "talent". Also spending a late third in an in-season trade is "different"... so difference is in the air. Add that one-year's feedback has nearly completed "the loop" and adjustments should be expected. But expecting to "go up & get some" is an adjustment too far... at least for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 If they start winning will the games still be on TV? If TV was a good enough a game experience would they have bought season tix to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 If TV was a good enough a game experience would they have bought season tix to begin with? Its all a matter of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 And that perspective is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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