The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I was surprised not to see this posted heretofore. David Modell, son of Art Modell, dies of cancer, Friday. Age 56. So, we are not supposed to speak ill of the dead. Ergo. End of post. http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2017/01/on_the_death_of_david_modell_o.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I was surprised not to see this posted heretofore. David Modell, son of Art Modell, dies of cancer, Friday. Age 56. So, we are not supposed to speak ill of the dead. Ergo. End of post. http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2017/01/on_the_death_of_david_modell_o.html Oh, It was posted. We spoke ill of living and dead. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh, It was posted. We spoke ill of living and dead. Zombo I did not see a thread on it. I saw something about somebody's dog dieing on Friday. I assume that was not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I did not see a thread on it. I saw something about somebody's dog dieing on Friday. I assume that was not it. It was deleted. I assume he is still dead. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh. Did it get that nasty? And who is the "living" that was spoken ill of? (besides...just the Cleveland Browns and 17 years we have wandered in the desert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 neidemeyer? DEAD! wormer? dead! lerner....? crickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Oh. Did it get that nasty? And who is the "living" that was spoken ill of? (besides...just the Cleveland Browns and 17 years we have wandered in the desert? Ghoolie was slurping some dead Modell dick, so it had to go. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Despite the shittiness of the modell family I wouldn't wish lung cancer on anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 He was my younger brother's Chris' age and they went to high school together. He used to come over after school. I never even knew he was a Modell until years later. Oh well. He was nice back then. Very polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Ghoolie was slurping some dead Modell dick, so it had to go. Zombo Oh, well. Not sure what that has to do with David Modell. My only comment on it is that I will defer to the NFL......they kicked him out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Despite the shittiness of the modell family I wouldn't wish lung cancer on anyone. So, that is what it is? All that cigar chomping got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Oh, well. Not sure what that has to do with David Modell. My only comment on it is that I will defer to the NFL......they kicked him out of the league. The terrible irony of all ironies part of old man Modell's plan in moving the team out and getting the sweetheart $$$$ deal was for tax and other purposes to pass the team on to his heirs. This is like some strange sick Greek tragedy only in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 So, that is what it is? All that cigar chomping got him. Looks that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 The terrible irony of all ironies part of old man Modell's plan in moving the team out and getting the sweetheart $$$$ deal was for tax and other purposes to pass the team on to his heirs. This is like some strange sick Greek tragedy only in real life. Greek Tragedy? No. Here are the elements of a Greek Tragedy: According to Aristotle, depicts the downfall of a basically good person through some fatal error or misjudgment, producing suffering and insight on the part of the protagonist and arousing pity and fear on the part of the audience. Where in the Modell story do we find a basically good person. Maybe at one point you had that in Art, but his venality and greed dismissed the element of "good" in this equation. Now, perhaps he did make a "fatal error or misjudgement" by refusing to sell the Browns rather than "move" them, but I think that is something else (hubris). Of course, some may say that he did not make an error in judgment because he ultimately did make a lot of money on the sale of his franchise. But....is that the measure of success? The other thing is where is the element of pity for these two (Art and David) ? I think Browns fans would say that they are pitiful people, not pitiable people. Also, while the Modell's may have suffered some at the hands of Browns fans....I am not sure they felt that. They likely surrounded themselves with Baltimore area sychophants that propped them up any time they felt any pressure. And, ergo, based on that recent interview that David Modell gave for Believeland....he certainly did NOT gain any insight...( WE however gained insight into his continued conceit) conceit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Aristotle was able to gather first-hand documentation from theater performance in Attica, which is inaccessible to scholars today. His work is therefore invaluable for the study of ancient tragedy, even if his testimony is open to doubt on some points. But present day scholars like The Gipper has no doubt in Aristotle's view on the subject and is an avid reader of Aristotle and his blogs. I still like to go with the most widely held present day Cleveland view on the subject that A. Modell was a piss poor millionaire (we think he was?) and lousy businessman and owner of the Cleveland Browns.... which turns out that it is our tragedy also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Aristotle was able to gather first-hand documentation from theater performance in Attica, which is inaccessible to scholars today. His work is therefore invaluable for the study of ancient tragedy, even if his testimony is open to doubt on some points. But present day scholars like The Gipper has no doubt in Aristotle's view on the subject and is an avid reader of Aristotle and his blogs. I still like to go with the most widely held present day Cleveland view on the subject that A. Modell was a piss poor millionaire (we think he was?) and lousy businessman and owner of the Cleveland Browns.... which turns out that it is our tragedy also. OK, yes....it is OUR tragedy....not his. We, the fans of Cleveland perhaps are the "good person". We are the ones that perhaps deserve sympathy or pity. Not Modell. Though I don't see how we all made the fatal error in judgment. Plus, I don't know what insight we gained that brought to a better place. We had no choice in the matter of who owns this team. We had a bad owner, and you could say "our insight is to learn the lesson to not have a bad owner again." But, again, we had no choice or say in who would own the Browns subsequent to Modell. We have continued to have bad owners. Maybe if we did have some say? No, never happen. Greedy/rich owners want other greedy/rich people as part of their club. They will not do what is in the best interests of the fans...only what is in their own best interests as greedy rich people. (About the only solace we have is that on rare occasion these NFL owners will exile someone who is not rich enough for them....and who puts their business on precarious financial footing...see Victor Kiam/Art Modell...and kick them out.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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