Tour2ma Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Garrett, Myles ----- OLB 6'5" 270 Texas A&M --- 7.6Fournette, Leonard RB 6'1" 235 - LSU ----------- 7.1Trubisky, Mitch ---- QB 6'3" 220 - North Carolina 6.8Thomas, Solomon DE 6'3" 273 - Stanford ------- 6.8Allen, Jonathan --- DE 6'3" 291 - Alabama ------- 6.8 Let the debate(s) continue... We can, and likely will, argue about this or that grade. Personally I'm shocked by: Garrett's gap, that Fournette is #2, and that Mitch is that high and tied with Allen ... but they are what they are. For the full list go to: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 They really seem to hate the WR class again. No way you go 7 pages deep to find a WR in Zay Jones behind Centers..Boooo! They that TE class though.Me Too, if it would only last to 5th or 6th round..DeVavla & Telfer can't stay off a injury list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 That is a big gap between Garrett and Leonard. We can't pass on the guy. I know we have a group who see only QB, but when you have the ability to draft a player like Garrett, you better not out think things. Just take the guy, To look back, who is going to pass on Bruce Smith or Leroy Selmon? Only a simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Mitch is gonna measure 6'1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Hold that thought. MaMa Garrett has not spoken yet ...Edit::Maybe Mitch's most important hand size increased D..that will get'em drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Is there a way to look at pass years grades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Mitch has 5 inch hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Wow i am surprised at mitch being the 3rd highest rated player. Really makes it seem like not a reach at 1 anymore.I figured he would be rated highest among QB but i wasnt sure about in comparison to the defense talent.Even more surprising is Nathan Peterman beating out Deshone Kizer in ranking aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I would have changed places and scores with Fornette and Allen. And Tabor is way underrated. Garrett that far off the chart is surprising-based more on prior two years than this one I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker Jamal Adams 6.6 ... interesting, they have Njoku, TE, Miami a bit higher than Howard. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade Garrett, Myles OLB 6'5" 270 Texas A&M 7.6 Fournette, Leonard RB 6'1" 235 LSU 7.1 Trubisky, Mitch QB 6'3" 220 North Carolina 6.8 Thomas, Solomon DE 6'3" 273 Stanford 6.8 Allen, Jonathan DE 6'3" 291 Alabama 6.8 Hooker, Malik S 6'2" 205 Ohio St. 6.7 Adams, Jamal S 6'1" 213 LSU 6.6 Charlton, Taco DE 6'6" 272 Michigan 6.5 McDowell, Malik DT 6'6" 276 Michigan St. 6.5 Cook, Dalvin RB 5'11" 213 Florida St. 6.5 Lattimore, Marshon CB 6'1" 192 Ohio St. 6.5 Jones, Sidney CB 6'1" 170 Washington 6.5 Foster, Reuben LB 6'1" 228 Alabama 6.4 Humphrey, Marlon CB 6'1" 196 Alabama 6.4 Njoku, David TE 6'4" 245 Miami 6.4 Watson, Deshaun QB 6'3" 215 Clemson 6.3 Williams, Tim OLB 6'4" 252 Alabama 6.3 Williams, Mike WR 6'3" 225 Clemson 6.3 Davis, Corey WR 6'3" 213 Western Michigan 6.2 Howard, O.J. TE 6'6" 249 Alabama 6.2 Barnett, Derek DE 6'3" 265 Tennessee 6.2 Brantley, Caleb DT 6'2" 314 Florida 6.2 Ramczyk, Ryan T 6'6" 314 Wisconsin 6.2 Ross, John WR 5'11" 190 Washington 6.1 Reddick, Haason OLB 6'2" 237 Temple 6.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Myles Garrett is .02 points higher in grade than Laremy Tunsil was last year.Mitch has a higher grade than Goff or Wentz did last year. aswell as a higher grade than jameis winston and mariotaHell according to this site he is the best QB coming out since 2012 and his comparison is Matt Stafford.Going by that we would be completely foolish not to draft him #1 overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Is there a way to look at pass years grades? Try googling the year you are interested in plus "draft tracker"... I know 2016 draft tracker turned up the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade There may be more years... Mitch has 5 inch hands. ... but 9-inch nails... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Grab Trubisky. Then Fournette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Myles Garrett is .02 points higher in grade than Laremy Tunsil was last year. Mitch has a higher grade than Goff or Wentz did last year. aswell as a higher grade than jameis winston and mariota Hell according to this site he is the best QB coming out since 2012 and his comparison is Matt Stafford. Going by that we would be completely foolish not to draft him #1 overall Or we take Julius Peppers or Fletcher Cox... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Or we take Julius Peppers or Fletcher Cox... Not suggesting we pass on Garrett just yet but i do find it odd that he is the highest graded qb prospect to come out in 5 years. kinda wonder what the thinking is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I don't believe these grades take into account work ethic, love for the game, character.... but here's a really high grade on.... Trent Richardson... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/trent-richardson?id=2533032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Is there a way to look at pass years grades? Try googling the year you are interested in plus "draft tracker"... I know 2016 draft tracker turned up the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade There may be more years... Just change the year in the URL 2016 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade 2015 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade 2014 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 players who won't make a fucking difference, and one who will. By all means, don't take the right one. Pick a fucking outside pass rusher than you can get in the later rounds. Trubisky. Anything else is a waste of a pick. Plus we always have room on the T-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 That is a big gap between Garrett and Leonard. We can't pass on the guy. I know we have a group who see only QB, but when you have the ability to draft a player like Garrett, you better not out think things. Just take the guy, To look back, who is going to pass on Bruce Smith or Leroy Selmon? Only a simpleton. +1 my man. This draft in terms of #1 pick through the eyes of essentially everyone who works this stuff is Garrett followed by everyone else. Garrett can easily be a game changing player, a strong position of need, and is ours for the taking. Don't fuck this up, draft the best player and put him to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I don't believe these grades take into account work ethic, love for the game, character.... but here's a really high grade on.... Trent Richardson... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/trent-richardson?id=2533032 Great question.... bad example... googling my ass off and cannot find any links to NFL.com's grade methodology. Feel it has to be "a panel".... Probably has to have evaluation categories and criteria... and then involves some averaging process, but can't confirm anything. TR's primary issue was field vision. At BAMA the holes were there a very percentage of the time and masked that. As he learned they were not where they were drawn up to be with us, he lost confidence to the point where he slowed down. Then even if a hole was there, he did not hit it hard enough. Bottom line: I did not see lack of work ethic; I saw lack of a key attribute. Just change the year in the URL 2016 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade 2015 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade 2014 - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-grade Handy tip... here's a "Best Answer" for your troubles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Handy tip... here's a "Best Answer" for your troubles... Yay, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I don't believe these grades take into account work ethic, love for the game, character.... but here's a really high grade on.... Trent Richardson... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/trent-richardson?id=2533032 But you do? NFL talks to people that know the kids as well as the kids themselves. And yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 If Trubisky is really a better prospect than Jamie's Winston and the two guys last year then sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 You know I'm as critical of Myles as anyone but this is BS: "Scouts are convinced he took plays off to protect his health this season." Does he take plays off? I'd say so. But not for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I enjoy reading fan posts filled with endless fapping over Mitch Trubisky as much as the next guy, but I won't take any grading system seriously if it doesn't bother grading...Zach Cunningham, Ju Ju Smith-Schuster, Obi Melifonwu, Cam Sutton, Fabien Moreau, Noah Brown, Pat Mahomes, Ralph Green, and literally dozens of others. Point being, it's early and those grades and rankings will probably change dozens of times in the coming months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Point being, it's early and those grades and rankings will probably change dozens of times in the coming months. Pretty sure the "grades" do not change once they are set, but it is something to watch. As for your list of ungraded prospects... stay tuned. Last year over 500 prospects were graded, so far this year, 273. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 i'm just shocked i figured he would grade out to be a mid first pick and he's in the top 5 prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Well, there you go. A total of 273 prospects graded so far out of 500 or more. And you can bet some actual grades will change when more information about character or injury becomes known. Not to mention how much the lesser known and small school types will change things. At first glance most of the players picked to play in the Senior and NFLPA bowls weren't graded yet, including a handful of guys who could go as high as the 2nd and 3rd rounds. That said, even as a Bengal fan I've got to say that's an interesting grade on Trubisky. The Browns taking Garrett 1st overall seems almost written in stone. Change that and everything that follows gets a good hard shaking, including the Bengals pick at #9 and obviously the Browns pick at #12. BTW if I were a Browns fan....(dizzy).....I'd be sweating bullets wondering if teams like Arizona, Buffalo, etc. would trade to get above #12. Carson Palmer's butter-soft vagina has taken a beating and he's talking about retirement again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I still think Garrett should have a higher grade or we need to stop throwing around the "generational" tag so willy nilly when it comes to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 yea I was really expecting a higher grade.Garrett has a 7.63Tunsil has a 7.61Williams Leonard has a 7.53Clowney has a 7.5 gradeNot quite the once in a generation talent we have been led to believe.Oddly enough an edge rusher will have the top grade in 3 out of the 4 years. and they were all about the same grade.Comparatively the QB's look like this2017Mitch 6.8Watson 6.3Peterman 5.9Kizer 5.82016Wentz 6.5 pick 1,2Goff 6.5 pick 1,1Lynch 6.1Cook 5.82015 Winston 6.7 pick 1,1Mariota 6.2 pick 1,22014Bortles 6.2 pick 1,3Teddy b. 6.1Carr 6.1Manziel 6.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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