I found this interesting

[ballpeen]

I don't know if all the numbers presented are accurate, and don't know if i agree with everything presented, but it does provide some food for though.

 

[Westside Steve]

Interesting and disturbing but probably nothing that can be done.

Demographics around the world change constantly.

A timespan as short as a century is a drop in the bucket to the world.

 

On a more hopeful note newer generations of Muslims may become more "civilized" as they're further removed from the middle east.

 

We can hope.

 

I'm less hopeful about American converts who tend to be more fundamental.

 

If I had kids I wouldn't want them to grow up under Sharia law.

Of course I'm an intolerant racist bastard.

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

Well, it certainly is worrisome. Families used to be larger, now, not so much.

 

But, how much legal immigration should our country, any country, allow?

 

And, if we're so terrible, why are they coming here?

 

And yes, they didn't validate the source of their numbers. You have to wonder

 

if they are valid at all...

[Mr. T]

And we are taught that Rome fell in one day, it was a series of events that crept in.

 

Then we have Citizen of the World as our Prez. Here he is in 2007

 

 

Everyone should be concerned with some of these militant groups who want to overwhelm our population so they can vote in their own race and take over from within. It first starts with cities then states. whats next.

[PB&J]

So what if there are that many muslims?

 

There are over a billion muslims today, and a very small percentage of them are extremists. To hope that they are "more civilized the farther they are from the middle east" is just ignorant. Christians and muslims worship the same god. Why is it okay for christians to want to take over the whole world through missionaries and converting people, while it is a horrible crime for muslims to want the same thing?

 

I thought the christian message is love anyway, why worry about what other people believe?

[Guest mz.]

Everyone should be concerned with some of these militant groups who want to overwhelm our population

 

I agree, but you guys just fail to see that it's YOU who are the "extremists." After all, isn't that exactly what the Cal/T/DieHard/Palin Populist Movement is all about???? Rise up and complain about a tax increase that only affects people way more well off than yourselves!!!

 

[calfoxwc]

We are not immigrants, mz the pussy.

 

The subject is IMMIGRANTS, and the difference in the # of children American families have, vs Muslim families.

 

Which, in itself, is no problem. The problem is IMMIGRANTS flocking to other countries in huge numbers.

 

Who would you like to define IMMIGRANTS for you?

[Guest mz.]

Who would you like to define IMMIGRANTS for you?

 

Sure, cal, enlighten me.

 

PS unless you are of Native American lineage, you're an IMMIGRANT.

 

[Guest mz.]

The subject is IMMIGRANTS, and the difference in the # of children American families have, vs Muslim families.

 

Oh, and the answer to this horrible conundrum is "who gives a shit."

 

[PB&J]

We are not immigrants, mz the pussy.

 

The subject is IMMIGRANTS, and the difference in the # of children American families have, vs Muslim families.

 

Which, in itself, is no problem. The problem is IMMIGRANTS flocking to other countries in huge numbers.

 

Who would you like to define IMMIGRANTS for you?

 

Islam is a religion. People can be americans and muslims. But why be afraid of immigrants, they are what made this country great.

[Guest mz.]

People can be americans and muslims.

 

Not true. This is a Christian Nation!!!

[calfoxwc]

Not afraid of immigrants at all.

 

I'm afraid over decades, a million Muslims are immigrants because they are

 

told to go forth and multiply and take over other countries by numbers, though.

 

And where they go in big numbers, extremists can assimilate right into society.

 

Til it's too late.

 

mz the pussy -

 

An immigrant is someone who is here but not BORN here.

 

Sons and daughters of immigrants are naturally born American citizens, and justly so.

 

Their PARENTS were immigrants.

 

That was really ignorant, mz the pussy.

 

But you've been that way most of the time.

 

So you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion?

 

 

[Guest mz.]

Fine, cal, someone relative of an immigrant shat you out. Picky picky.

[Mr. T]

So what if there are that many muslims?

 

There are over a billion muslims today, and a very small percentage of them are extremists. To hope that they are "more civilized the farther they are from the middle east" is just ignorant. Christians and muslims worship the same god. Why is it okay for christians to want to take over the whole world through missionaries and converting people, while it is a horrible crime for muslims to want the same thing?

 

I thought the christian message is love anyway, why worry about what other people believe?

 

And even Jesus talked about self Defense.

 

and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36-38

 

 

[Legacy Fan]

Why is it okay for christians to want to take over the whole world through missionaries and converting people, while it is a horrible crime for muslims to want the same thing?

 

Right. Aside from the beheadings & suicide bombers method that Muslim "converters" use compared to the medical clinics & elementary schools that Christians missionaries leave behind, Christianity & Islam are identical.

[Mr. T]

Right. Aside from the beheadings & suicide bombers method that Muslim "converters" use compared to the medical clinics & elementary schools that Christians missionaries leave behind, Christianity & Islam are identical.

 

 

The USA and the Middle East are very diferent, they differ in religion and their social culture is very extreme.

 

 

she must be wondering if she is holding explosives under that get up.

 

You dont see to many christians blowing themselves up in the name of God.

[SoCalBrownsFan]

Right. Aside from the beheadings & suicide bombers method that Muslim "converters" use compared to the medical clinics & elementary schools that Christians missionaries leave behind, Christianity & Islam are identical.

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. The other major religions have progressed, while the Muslim religion wants to stay in the 7th century. Uh, no thanks, I live in the 21st century. When the Muslim religion starts to modify its hateful/intolerant message then maybe I will listen to them. Maybe they should start with their so-called Imams, the purveyors of hate speech. Until then, they are nothing but a death cult brainwashing their followers to kill all non believers or convert them by all means necessary. How many churches are in Saudi Arabia??? The Muslim religion is a religion of intolerance towards other religions. I still find it funny that they call Islam the religion of peace, that is laughable. Open your eyes and read up on the conflicts around the world, what is the common denominator in most of these armed conflicts.........Islam.

[Guest mz.]

 

This is truly the most ignorant thing I have seen in my entire life.

 

[PB&J]

Right. Aside from the beheadings & suicide bombers method that Muslim "converters" use compared to the medical clinics & elementary schools that Christians missionaries leave behind, Christianity & Islam are identical.

 

That isn't islam. That is extremism. What did you say about the conflicts in Northern Ireland? What do you say whenever an abortion clinic gets bombed? How about when christian white supremacists burn crosses or even lynch a guy? Would you call that christianity? No, because that is absurd.

 

When the Muslim religion starts to modify its hateful/intolerant message then maybe I will listen to them.

What about Christians discriminating against gays? Is that not a hateful, intolerant message? Do you actually know anything at all about Islam... that isn't based on rhetoric?

 

 

 

Maybe they should start with their so-called Imams, the purveyors of hate speech. Until then, they are nothing but a death cult brainwashing their followers to kill all non believers or convert them by all means necessary.

Seriously? Of the more than 1,000,000,000 muslims in the world, along with the thousands of imams, not even one of them isn't an extremist? Should I consider all controversial, inflammatory and high profile christian ministers to be representative of all christians?

 

How many churches are in Saudi Arabia???

How many mosques are in the USA? Why put churches where there aren't christians?

 

The Muslim religion is a religion of intolerance towards other religions.

The three western religions are intolerant of the other religions, not just islam. Jews are the chosen people, then jesus comes along and they add the new testament. The jews say the christians are wrong. Then gabriel comes and talks to Muhammad who writes down the word of god, the Qu'ran. Muslims say the qu'ran is the final word of god, the christians and jews disagree. They are all incompatible with each other

.

I still find it funny that they call Islam the religion of peace, that is laughable. Open your eyes and read up on the conflicts around the world, what is the common denominator in most of these armed conflicts.........Islam.

 

Absolute bullshit. Of the 18+ conflicts currently going on in subsaharan africa, how many are because of Islam? What about the Sri Lankan conflict? How about the insurgencies in Nepal, the Phillipines, China, Burma, Moldova and others?

 

How about you open up your eyes and read up on other cultures and religions. The whole world isn't all about white christians and how "right" they are all the time.

 

 

[Mr. T]

That isn't islam. That is extremism. What did you say about the conflicts in Northern Ireland? What do you say whenever an abortion clinic gets bombed? How about when christian white supremacists burn crosses or even lynch a guy? Would you call that christianity? No, because that is absurd.

 

 

What about Christians discriminating against gays? Is that not a hateful, intolerant message? Do you actually know anything at all about Islam... that isn't based on rhetoric?

 

 

 

 

Seriously? Of the more than 1,000,000,000 muslims in the world, along with the thousands of imams, not even one of them isn't an extremist? Should I consider all controversial, inflammatory and high profile christian ministers to be representative of all christians?

 

 

How many mosques are in the USA? Why put churches where there aren't christians?

 

 

The three western religions are intolerant of the other religions, not just islam. Jews are the chosen people, then jesus comes along and they add the new testament. The jews say the christians are wrong. Then gabriel comes and talks to Muhammad who writes down the word of god, the Qu'ran. Muslims say the qu'ran is the final word of god, the christians and jews disagree. They are all incompatible with each other

.

 

 

Absolute bullshit. Of the 18+ conflicts currently going on in subsaharan africa, how many are because of Islam? What about the Sri Lankan conflict? How about the insurgencies in Nepal, the Phillipines, China, Burma, Moldova and others?

 

How about you open up your eyes and read up on other cultures and religions. The whole world isn't all about white christians and how "right" they are all the time.

 

 

Your rant sound like you are suffering from a psychological disorder or even paranoid dilutions.

 

Please seek professional help immediately.

 

 

[SoCalBrownsFan]

That isn't islam. That is extremism. What did you say about the conflicts in Northern Ireland? What do you say whenever an abortion clinic gets bombed? How about when christian white supremacists burn crosses or even lynch a guy? Would you call that christianity? No, because that is absurd.

 

 

What about Christians discriminating against gays? Is that not a hateful, intolerant message? Do you actually know anything at all about Islam... that isn't based on rhetoric?

 

 

 

 

Seriously? Of the more than 1,000,000,000 muslims in the world, along with the thousands of imams, not even one of them isn't an extremist? Should I consider all controversial, inflammatory and high profile christian ministers to be representative of all christians?

 

 

How many mosques are in the USA? Why put churches where there aren't christians?

 

 

The three western religions are intolerant of the other religions, not just islam. Jews are the chosen people, then jesus comes along and they add the new testament. The jews say the christians are wrong. Then gabriel comes and talks to Muhammad who writes down the word of god, the Qu'ran. Muslims say the qu'ran is the final word of god, the christians and jews disagree. They are all incompatible with each other

.

 

 

Absolute bullshit. Of the 18+ conflicts currently going on in subsaharan africa, how many are because of Islam? What about the Sri Lankan conflict? How about the insurgencies in Nepal, the Phillipines, China, Burma, Moldova and others?

 

How about you open up your eyes and read up on other cultures and religions. The whole world isn't all about white christians and how "right" they are all the time.

 

I stopped reading your post when you asked how many mosques are in the USA and that there are no christians in Saudi Arabia. Are you serious???

[PB&J]

The no church thing in saudi arabia is more the royal family than Islam itself. They are an absolute monarchy, and extremely conservative that isn't Islam, that is just extremism.

 

 

[SoCalBrownsFan]

The no church thing in saudi arabia is more the royal family than Islam itself. They are an absolute monarchy, and extremely conservative that isn't Islam, that is just extremism.

 

Here is some interesting reading for you, take it as you will:

 

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

 

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

 

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

 

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

 

Here's how it works.

 

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

 

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

 

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

 

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

 

 

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

 

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- Muslim 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

 

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

 

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

 

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

 

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

 

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

 

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

 

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

 

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

 

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

 

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

 

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

 

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

 

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

 

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

 

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

 

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

 

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

 

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

 

 

[PB&J]

What a great unbiased source. Peter Hammond, evangelical missionary extraordinaire! No agenda there.

[SoCalBrownsFan]

What a great unbiased source. Peter Hammond, evangelical missionary extraordinaire! No agenda there.

 

 

Yep, this looks like a real progressive religion............

 

Watch video

 

I suppose that PBS is a wackjob source with an agenda.

[ballpeen]

So what if there are that many muslims?

 

There are over a billion muslims today, and a very small percentage of them are extremists. To hope that they are "more civilized the farther they are from the middle east" is just ignorant. Christians and muslims worship the same god. Why is it okay for christians to want to take over the whole world through missionaries and converting people, while it is a horrible crime for muslims to want the same thing?

 

I thought the christian message is love anyway, why worry about what other people believe?

 

 

Here is my concern. While this was done with a religious slant, and why I prefaced things I possibly didn't agree with all that was presented, or maybe to be more accurate, the ideology behind the production, my concern rests with the politics involved.

 

Islam is as much a political force as it is a religion. Possibly more.

 

Forget the religion for a moment and consider the political ramifications for a moment and you and some others might take a different view.

 

If you think religion is bad now, wait until you have to be a practicing member. I suspect you are really going to hate it then.

 

[Westside Steve]

What about Christians discriminating against gays? Is that not a hateful, intolerant message? Do you actually know anything at all about Islam... that isn't based on rhetoric?

 

Let's see.

Christians vote against changing marriage laws to include same sex couples.

 

Muslims put gays to death.

 

You're right Peeb.

I can't spot the difference....

 

 

BTW have we all noticed that the guys strongly defending a Muslim America are the ones who spout the most hatred of Christianity?

Guess what lefties, school prayer just might seem tame to you when your daughter comes home raped and beaten because she uncovered her face.

But I know you'll be tolerant.

WSS

[Legacy Fan]

That isn't islam. That is extremism. What did you say about the conflicts in Northern Ireland? What do you say whenever an abortion clinic gets bombed? How about when christian white supremacists burn crosses or even lynch a guy? Would you call that christianity? No, because that is absurd.

 

I was addressing what you specifically brought up: Christian Missionaries, the vehicle for conversion to Christianity (and taking over the world, apparently ) vs. the vehicle for Islam conversion, which is their extremist & fundamentalist set. To recap: Ok to build schools & hospitals across the world, not ok to cut of infidel heads and bomb school busses.

 

Regarding Northern Ireland, that is a clash between different denominations (Sunni & Shiite ring any bells?), same goes for the whackjob crazy machines that bomb abortion clinics. Extremists, not missionaries.

 

And at this point in history, are white supremacists even relevant enough that it's still hip to drop them in an argument reminding us that you're against it? Come on, buddy.

[Legacy Fan]

What about Christians discriminating against gays? Is that not a hateful, intolerant message? Do you actually know anything at all about Islam... that isn't based on rhetoric?

 

 

It's a shame that irony isn't rewarded as I bet this latest from Johnny Tolerance measures somewhere near the lottery Jackpot won over the weekend.

[calfoxwc]

What about Christians discriminating against gays? PB&J

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And this is the same as Islamic terrorists' beheadings and suicide bombers?

 

What the..???

 

Another guy on ignore.