Clevfan4life Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 New International Version 1 Cor. 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Then why dont u all rapture yourselves away while we go about living peacefully and tolerantly with other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Cal says this better than I could: "says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian... not good to not know so much, but think you know it all. ." Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Then why dont u all rapture yourselves away while we go about living peacefully and tolerantly with other? Like they do in North Korea? That should be a utopian society free from religion. I find it hard to believe you would really think people would live peacefully and tolerantly with others if not for Christians. That day is prophesied to come and the bible speaks the opposite of what the world will be like when the restraining force is taken out of the way. This is one of the scriptures open to interpretation as some believe the restraining force is referring to the Holy Spirit and some believe it is the church. Regardless when it happens it is the start of the tribulation period spoken of in the bible as the worst time ever in human history and not people living peacefully and tolerantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools: "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools: "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them. How do they know about Jesus? The bible. But how can they believe in Jesus if they don't believe what is written about him in the bible? They can't. There is only one sure way to know Jesus and that is through the bible. God promised to preserve His word and I believe He has. Jesus is even called the word. After Jesus death and resurrection the bible says the disciples went out and preached the word and miracles happened with signs following the word being preached (before the bible was written it was the spoken word of the disciples). David said God had magnified His word above His name. The word is that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 How do they know about Jesus? The bible. But how can they believe in Jesus if they don't believe what is written about him in the bible? They can't. There are other accts of jesus outside the bible. The cathars were exterminated because they interpreted jesus's msg differently than the corrupt roman catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I spent most of my childhood as a Catholic. I learned about the Bible. Luckily my parents weren't really pushing it, and it became obvious the whole thing was BS early on. OBF was born with genetics making him predisposed to believing in religion. But I'm influenced by the devil, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 funny, catholics really dont "push " the bible either they push the catechism and if that realization gives you some pause, then perhaps you, like the countless others have found out, that faith in Christ is really about it being personal, and not rules driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 funny, catholics really dont "push " the bible either they push the catechism and if that realization gives you some pause, then perhaps you, like the countless others have found out, that faith in Christ is really about it being personal, and not rules driven "faith in Christ is really about it being personal and not rules driven"....excellent point. It is more than just a religion it is a relationship and a personal one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I spent most of my childhood as a Catholic. I learned about the Bible. Luckily my parents weren't really pushing it, and it became obvious the whole thing was BS early on. OBF was born with genetics making him predisposed to believing in religion. But I'm influenced by the devil, so who knows. We all are influenced by the devil at any given time. Nobody is immune from it. Even the disciples. When Jesus looked at Peter and said "get behind me satan" he wasn't speaking to Peter but satan who had influenced Peter to say what he did (Peter had what he thought was a good idea, to keep Jesus from being killed in Jerusalem he told Jesus why not just stay away from Jerusalem?) Of course this is contrary to Jesus's whole purpose for coming. I actually had a similar Catholic background with parents who never went to church. I am not anti Catholic but there is a need in the Catholic church to teach more on a relationship with Christ and being born again over just religion. As for being predisposed to believing that reminds me of something the bible teaches about (election). What does the Bible teach about election? https://www.gty.org/library/questions/QA86/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MLD Woody Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 obf, on the election thing... So you think God chose you to be saved? Does this mean, no matter what you do, you can't be saved if God doesn't pick you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 obf, on the election thing... So you think God chose you to be saved? Does this mean, no matter what you do, you can't be saved if God doesn't pick you? I studied the bible for a number of years and never saw what the bible was actually saying about election and when I saw it it frightened me. We believe that only those written in the Lamb's (Jesus) book of life will be saved. It never occurred to me that God already knows whose name is in that book and who is not. To those who would say that is not fair I would just tell them there is an open door to the ark right now and go through that door (Jesus) and get in. God may know the decisions we will make but that doesn't mean we still don't have free will. Get in the ark. Put your trust and faith in Jesus and make Him Lord of your life. Question: "Is God fair?" https://www.gotquestions.org/is-God-fair.html What does the Bible teach about election? https://www.gty.org/library/questions/QA86/what-does-the-bible-teach-about-election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 DEMONS DID IT!!!! wait, wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So to get to heaven you need to be 1) a good, practicing Christian and 2) chosen by God (before you're even born) So what happens to you if God didn't randomly pick you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So to get to heaven you need to be 1) a good, practicing Christian and 2) chosen by God (before you're even born) So what happens to you if God didn't randomly pick you? Are some elected to be saved while others are not? I believe everybody is elected to be saved but whether they come into it or not is another thing. The door is open right now for all to come in. Whose fault is it for a person to reject God's salvation? It is not God's fault. We are all born with a measure of faith and God will even give a person faith to believe if they ask. It is predetermined in that God knows already who will respond and who will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 So could I love Christ and do everything perfectly but still not get into heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 So could I love Christ and do everything perfectly but still not get into heaven? To do everything perfectly is actually very easy under the new covenant. Jesus has done it all for us. It is our simply trusting and believing in Him and making Him Lord of our lives is how we are saved. Romans 10:9,10. New International Version If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. So mute's dont get into heaven? Ok that was trolling but in all seriousness...do you not see the problem with having created a god that only responds to sound. When he's supposed to exist in a time and space beyond our world of classical physics. The blatant anthropomorphication of god should be the tell tale signal this stuff was written by men. Like.... Exodus 29 2 Take from this ram the fat, the fat tail, the fat around the inner parts, the covering of the liver, both kidneys with the fat on them, and the right thigh. (This is the ram for the ordination.) 23 From the basket of bread made without yeast, which is before the LORD, take a loaf, and a cake made with oil, and a wafer. 24 Put all these in the hands of Aaron and his sons and wave them before the LORD as a wave offering. 25 Then take them from their hands and burn them on the altar along with the burnt offering for a pleasing aroma to the LORD, an offering made to the LORD by fire. That my friend.....is some blatant human written horse shizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 To do everything perfectly is actually very easy under the new covenant. Jesus has done it all for us. It is our simply trusting and believing in Him and making Him Lord of our lives is how we are saved. Romans 10:9,10. New International Version If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Yeah but what if I'm not in God's book? Then I stick don't get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yeah but what if I'm not in God's book? Then I stick don't get in Following those scriptures is what gets your name in that book. If you refuse that is your choice, your decision.That refusal though is what keeps a person out of heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sober Poet Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Putting my playful (or childish) memes aside...religion fascinates me. When I was a little kid in Baptist Bible School they told me I could have my own bible if I memorized and could recite the books of the bible. I learned them by the next Sunday, they couldn't believe it. My family had seven members and everyone but me and grandma quit church, so I hid in the basement and read the thing cover to cover. That was the end. I couldn't reconcile what I was reading with the pastor's interpretation..."you're going to hell son, that's it, it's over." I guess I saw way more in there to focus on, and left church myself soon thereafter. Plus I had a 4th grade teacher that read us apocalyptic bible passages in class (in public school); she totally botched it and freaked out many of her students, again telling us that we are going to hell with no hope. Nice. Well, mom decides to become a Catholic along with my brothers and sisters. My dad had been a Catholic, but he quit when he realized that, without birth control, he had five kids before he knew it and would have to work his ass off forever to feed us. So now the two of us are heathens together. Anyhow, mom gets a job at a Jesuit college and I am lucky enough to get to go to school for a significant discount. I was actually blown away by how objective the Jesuits were. They taught us all kinds of different religious viewpoints (Hinduism, you name it) as well as the Gospels and never seemed to feel the need to pressure us about anything. They came off as self-confident I suppose. I studied poetry with some of the priests and was amazed at how freaking much they knew. (I also worked maintenance at the school and saw the cardboard refrigerator boxes full of empty wine bottles in the basement of the building where they lived. It wasn't all from the Eucharist. For all you fellow non-Catholics, the whole body and blood of Christ ceremony (bread and wine)). Years later I am advising international students and I have 60 from 44 different countries from all over the world. Yes, I can vouch for it, people are people for sure, and they are messed up everywhere they exist! I ran the cultural week for the college and got to know all kinds of religious leaders and denominations in the DC area. Their faith and practices were something to behold and I got to the point where I saw more similarities than differences. I suppose it reminds me of Joseph Campbell's "The Mask of God", a four-volume, ridiculously informative series: The book is quoted by proponents of the Christ myth theory. Campbell writes, "It is clear that, whether accurate or not as to biographical detail, the moving legend of the Crucified and Risen Christ was fit to bring a new warmth, immediacy, and humanity, to the old motifs of the beloved Tammuz, Adonis, and Osiris cycles."[75] So, I guess at this point I am a follower of the hundred-headed God, whomever that might be. Not sure, maybe it was Ancient Aliens after all: Ok, a bonus if you made it this far. I admit I have read the Book of Revelations out loud to my wife: Revelations 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Following those scriptures is what gets your name in that book. If you refuse that is your choice, your decision.That refusal though is what keeps a person out of heaven. Oh, I thought the point was that the "saved" were predetermined. I misunderstood. My bad (sincerely). I think your beliefs are ridiculous, but I want to make sure I understand them as best I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Oh, I thought the point was that the "saved" were predetermined. I misunderstood. My bad (sincerely). I think your beliefs are ridiculous, but I want to make sure I understand them as best I can Yes Woody I know you do but the alternative atheist view seems ridiculous as well to me. Out of nothing came all of creation. As for election God knows who will and who will not respond to salvation. Every human has free will, God knows what choices will be made and in that sense only it is predetermined. Nobody is stopping anyone from believing and in fact the bible says God will even give the faith to believe to those who ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yes Woody I know you do but the alternative atheist view seems ridiculous as well to me. Out of nothing came all of creation. As for election God knows who will and who will not respond to salvation. Every human has free will, God knows what choices will be made and in that sense only it is predetermined. Nobody is stopping anyone from believing and in fact the bible says God will even give the faith to believe to those who ask. Old, what about pets? Does you cat or dog that you loved get to go to heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 I know that one. All dogs go to heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 back on track http://www.charismanews.com/politics/issues/65941-the-bible-is-an-actual-classroom-textbook-again-in-this-state "Thanks to this legislation, Kentucky's students will now have the opportunity to learn about the Bible from a historical perspective, if they so choose." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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