Russians charged over US 2016 election tampering

[DieHardBrownsFan]

25 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

They are too busy crabbing backwards with their dear leader. As each new revelation occurs as the Mueller investigation unfolds, expect more backwards crabbing from this indefensible president whose latest tweet aims again at the FBI for spending too much time on Russia and not preventing the shooting. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2018-02-18/trump-accuses-fbi-of-spending-too-much-time-on-russia-probe

Benedict Arnold feels better in his grave every day.

[calfoxwc]

17 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Already buying the "switch" I see from Russian interference is a hoax to collusion is a hoax. Exactly what I expected from a Trumpette unable to see his boyfriend clearly. Read the whole damn thing and "dream on".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/read-muellers-full-indictment-13-russians-charged-election-meddling-191048683.html

that makes no sense. The russians supported both sides - they were trying to get hell raised in the election,

and screw up our entire electoral process. There WAS ATTEMPTED INTERFERENCE, there was NO COLLUSION, except by your democrats. You want it to be collusion so badly, you don't seem to read any article at all - you just interpret it as you want it to be.

[calfoxwc]

44 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

They are too busy crabbing backwards with their dear leader. As each new revelation occurs as the Mueller investigation unfolds, expect more backwards crabbing from this indefensible president whose latest tweet aims again at the FBI for spending too much time on Russia and not preventing the shooting. 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2018-02-18/trump-accuses-fbi-of-spending-too-much-time-on-russia-probe

Benedict Arnold feels better in his grave every day.

a former FBI agent said the FBI dropped the ball badly - that obaMao has put people into positions who are more apt to be political on the national stage, than doing their jobs on the more local levels.

The FBI had glaring immediate valid warnings sent directly to them. They did nothing, never followed up at all. Seems they let it happen for another tragedy that would help the left and their fight against our 2nd Amendment.

  Most FBI agents are American heroes. It's the middle and top level management that the corrupt dems put into place that has our intel services, and FBI/DOJ corrupted. The Benedict Arnolds are those who happily support this corrupt bs.

[TexasAg1969]

5 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

a former FBI agent said the FBI dropped the ball badly - that obaMao has put people into positions who are more apt to be political on the national stage, than doing their jobs on the more local levels.

The FBI had glaring immediate valid warnings sent directly to them. They did nothing, never followed up at all. Seems they let it happen for another tragedy that would help the left and their fight against our 2nd Amendment.

  Most FBI agents are American heroes. It's the middle and top level management that the corrupt dems put into place that has our intel services, and FBI/DOJ corrupted. The Benedict Arnolds are those who happily support this corrupt bs.

Crabbing around and deflecting from what really matters again. Just keep running from the truth and follow your dear leader over the dead to keep from focusing on the greater cyberwar with the Russians whom he refuses sanction. Once this gets into the financial entanglement of the Trump empire with the Russians he will go batshit crazy with more than just this weekend's ridiculous twitter storm. Ever wonder why so many in his family have still not been given clearances? You're going to find out in the coming months as more is uncovered. Friday was just the beginning.

Your "support" of the FBI is disingenuous. So the rank and file is full of heroes, but they are so cowed by management they won't stand up for what's right? Do you realize you just slapped them all in the face exactly the way your dear leader does on a daily basis?

Like I said cal-start consulting your moral compass and use that intellect to look closer at the Liar in Chief. What is it you are afraid to lose if you do so?

[calfoxwc]

oh, bs. nothing the liberal pres did or does matters. all that matters is you don't like trump.

it's been a year and your prophetic "goticha" is NOTCHA.

The rank and file are not the problem - it's the corrupt ones that obamao and clinton put into place. FBI agents can't just

go over the head of their management - it's illegal. They have to have PERMISSION to talk to Congress, etc.

Secrecy agreements, dude. Look at the things Trump has DONE HIS FIRST YEAR. he is KEEPING PROMISES.

obamao lied and betrayed everybody who elected him, and everybody who didn't. I didn't care for Trump before - but he is being

a GREAT REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT. I predict the jail time will be for the dems.

Until you admit URANIUM ONE and talk about it - you don't even HAVE a moral compass, nor a leg to stand on.

[TexasAg1969]

19 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

oh, bs. nothing the liberal pres did or does matters. all that matters is you don't like trump.

it's been a year and your prophetic "goticha" is NOTCHA.

The rank and file are not the problem - it's the corrupt ones that obamao and clinton put into place. FBI agents can't just

go over the head of their management - it's illegal. They have to have PERMISSION to talk to Congress, etc.

Secrecy agreements, dude. Look at the things Trump has DONE HIS FIRST YEAR. he is KEEPING PROMISES.

obamao lied and betrayed everybody who elected him, and everybody who didn't. I didn't care for Trump before - but he is being

a GREAT REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT. I predict the jail time will be for the dems.

Until you admit URANIUM ONE and talk about it - you don't even HAVE a moral compass, nor a leg to stand on.

I already said Uranium One merits it's own special counsel. No further discussion needed. Keep up.

As to where it's headed I can just let others tell you what's happening while you obviously have twisted off on your own "thread storm". You and Trump are getting increasingly agitated Mr. non-emotional Spock as the noose tightens while I have been quite clear from day one. He is a narcissistic personality disorder and chronic pathological liar. And it is those character flaws that will be his undoing. That's your leader and you are too obsessed with the dems, Clinton and Obama to see it clearly. #followtherussianmoney.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kuttner-mueller-russia_us_5a8a3dfde4b004fc31939016

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-russia-pardons-mueller-flynn-417094

[Canton Dawg]

[TexasAg1969]

 " President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy....................The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office "-Thomas Friedman

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion-columnists&action=click&contentCollection=columnists&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=5&pgtype=sectionfront

[calfoxwc]

an opinion from the nytimes is your authority of your opinion?

that's nice, real nice.

Meanwhile... back at the ranch, msnbc enthusiastically covered the ANTI-TRUMP russian sponsored rally.

you see, your wishing well hopie hopie false narrative is wrong, Tex.

Those russians were screwing around with BOTH SIDES of the election, to try to

sow the American people into dissarray, distrust, and hatred of the other side.

well, the liberal side already hated - and they hadn't even lost the election yet.

Tex is on the wrong side of reality:

"One of the revelations in Friday’s indictment handed down by Special Counsel Robert Mueller was that alleged Russian attempts to sow disunity in 2016 included the organization of both pro- and anti-Trump rallies in New York City on the Saturday after Election Day. "

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2018/02/19/flashback-cnn-and-msnbcs-enthusiastic-coverage-russian-sponsored-anti

[StinkHole]

26 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

 " President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy....................The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office "-Thomas Friedman

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion-columnists&action=click&contentCollection=columnists&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=5&pgtype=sectionfront

Stuart

You just eat that garbage up don't you?

 

[TexasAg1969]

The Russians have their dupe in the WH and they have played him like a drum from day one. That's the problem when you have a narcissistic personality disorder. Pros who understand it can manipulate that weakness to the nth degree and that is exactly what they are doing. We have a paralyzed leader incapable of acting against them either because he is already compromised or because he is paralyzed or both. Either way this country is in deep trouble. Just keep supporting him while we go down. That's what they count on so you are now a part of the problem. If you want to save this country, then start asking him as his supporters to come up with a plan of action through a task force created specifically to address the cyberwar against us. He might actually listen to his supporters demanding action against Russia for all this rather than paralysis. Do you have it in you? It can't come from people like me who think he was a fraud all along. It has to come from his base.

[Westside Steve]

One correction. The Russians certainly have their dupe in Washington but not at the White House. They have 49 of them in the Senate but the main one, the special witch hunter , has his office in the doj building.

WSS

[StinkHole]

“There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, there’s no evidence that that has happened in the past or that it will happen this time, and so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and make his case to get votes.” .....(BARAK OBAMA)

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 20, 2018
"When I easily won the Electoral College, the whole game changed and the Russian excuse became the narrative of the Dems," he tweeted.
....The President Obama quote just before election. That’s because he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win and he didn’t want to “rock the boat.” When I easily won the Electoral College, the whole game changed and the Russian excuse became the narrative of the Dems.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 20, 2018

 

The  Russians were meddling during Obamas administration. He knew about it and did nothing.

You liberal a-holes so blinded by hate you refuse to see it.

[Westside Steve]

I also wonder if these near do Wells have anything in particular to do with the Russian government or just some guys? And I wonder precisely how they meddled in our elections? Placing Sock-and-bull stories on Facebook is hardly something new.

WSS

[TexasAg1969]

Some of you may have been asleep at the wheel while Mueller tightened the noose. There  is a reason for all those newly filed charges on Gates and Manifort with Gates now being "flipped" as he pled guilty. I am fully aware none of you Trumpettes can stand Rachel, but she does give the clearest explanation out there whether you like it or not as to the meaning of what happened yesterday with Gates. One article on the flip and Rachel's detailed explanation of what Gates and Manifort were up to going into and during their time in the Trump campaign. There is a reason Mueller is allowing Gates to flip. As he did in going after the Gambino family, he lets the smaller fry plead guilty to lessor charges to get the bigger fish above. This is not even close to over yet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rick-gates-flips-from-paul-manaforts-old-pal-to-robert-muellers-new-weapon

I know you can't stand her, but listen only to the details she has used her very bright legal staff to explain.

 

[Canton Dawg]

[JAFBF]

3 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Some of you may have been asleep at the wheel while Mueller tightened the noose. There  is a reason for all those newly filed charges on Gates and Manifort with Gates now being "flipped" as he pled guilty. I am fully aware none of you Trumpettes can stand Rachel, but she does give the clearest explanation out there whether you like it or not as to the meaning of what happened yesterday with Gates. One article on the flip and Rachel's detailed explanation of what Gates and Manifort were up to going into and during their time in the Trump campaign. There is a reason Mueller is allowing Gates to flip. As he did in going after the Gambino family, he lets the smaller fry plead guilty to lessor charges to get the bigger fish above. This is not even close to over yet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rick-gates-flips-from-paul-manaforts-old-pal-to-robert-muellers-new-weapon

I know you can't stand her, but listen only to the details she has used her very bright legal staff to explain.

 

 

MSM   .   .   .   that should be enough said right there.

 

Yep, they got two guys in the Crosshairs.

Did you know there other names on that Indictment?

Of course not, that's bad news for MSM.

 

It's long complicated read, if I bump into again I'll post it.

 

Things are not what they are being portrayed as, like the 13 Russians Indicted, of which a large part of was plagiarized from some UK Story.

Odd that, no?

 

For someone of Muellers caliper the Indictments that have gone public are rather   .   .   .   fubarish ?

 

Wonder what's up with that ?

 

 

 

 

 

[JAFBF]

This is not the long read I first saw about this, but it does paint a broader picture:

 

Quote

@_VachelLindsay

 

   

1. More #FakeNews from a dying MSM. Again, they always leave out the most important facts, misleading their readers:
 

Gates agrees to testify against Manafort in Mueller probe: report Richard Gates, a former campaign adviser for President Trump, has agreed to testify against his former associate Paul Manafort as part of a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller, http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/374477-gates-plans-to-testify-against-manafort-in-mueller-probe-report

 

2. 'At last! the evil Drumpf is cornered!' the liberal sheep bleat. 'Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos & Flynn are all beaten by our intrepid hero, Bob Mueller!'

WRONG.

 

3. Let's remember that the Manafort/Gates indictments are inextricably linked to The Podesta Group & 'disappearance' of John Podesta.

 

4. The REAL story? These guys had been working together to lobby for a pro-Putin stooge in Ukraine & they never disclosed it. They laundered money via (among other places) Cyprus, to hide their tracks.

 

5. 'What? Manafort and Podesta KNEW and WORKED with each other'? Yes. Extensively. You just heard correct. 'To support Putin?'. Yes. 'And they never disclosed it?' Uh-huh.

 

6. This should come as no surprise. Podesta was helping Putin on Uranium One. Manafort had been helping Putin since 2005. See
 

No One Mentions That The Russian Trail Leads To Democratic Lobbyists A number of top Democratic lobbyists have significant ties to Russian interests, including the Podesta Group, Lanny Davis, and former Sen. John Breaux. https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/

 

7. For Manafort /Kremlin link, see

AP Exclusive: Before Trump job, Manafort worked to aid Putin WASHINGTON (AP) — Before signing up with Donald Trump, former campaign manager Paul Manafort secretly worked for a Russian billionaire with a plan to "greatly benefit the Putin Go https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a

 

8. Another thing - Gates & Manafort worked on investment deals in Eastern Europe with none other than Senator Warner's informant, one Oleg Deripaska.

washingtonpost.com/news/worldview…

 

9.The mystery is how on earth Manafort & Gates ended up on Team Trump.

Liberals say it's because they were part of Trump's evil conspiracy with Putin, to steal the election from Clinton.

Mind you they also say Jeff Sessions conspired with Putin, among other ridiculous claims.

 

10. Trump denies any knowledge of Manafort/Gates connections to Putin and Deripaska. BTW in that he is joined by 99.9% of Americans, since neither Manafort or Gates ever disclosed their links. Until June 2017!
 

Manafort registers as foreign agent for Ukraine work A spokesman says the filing is unrelated to the ongoing Russia investigation. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339756-manafort-registers-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine

 

11. So how did these two get on Team Trump? Well, maybe it's not a mystery at all. Imperator_Rex wrote a piece on this some time ago, pointing out that Manafort (and Gates) reportedly begged to join Team Trump, offering his services for free. Ditto Papadopoulos. See

12. Team Trump, with a limited budget, running on fumes and Trump absent most of the time, gladly accepted the offer. Manafort was extensively connected and had previous experience as a GOP campaigner, after all.

 

13. Rex's argument? Team Trump was vulnerable to stings. Manafort hoodwinked Trump's people, as did Papadopoulos. Papa was working with Fusion GPS & Manafort was working with Podesta.

Both were PLANTS. Objective : frame Trump.

 

14. Crazy argument? Decide for yourself. But don't you find it more than odd that Manafort and Gates never disclosed to Trump that they had worked with Podesta, a long time Clinton ally and lobbyist?

Er..YES.

 

15. Not to mention Podesta being the brother of Clinton's campaign manager, Tony.

Do you think Trump would have allowed Manafort & Gates into his inner campaign circle knowing that?

Zero chance.

 

16. Also - does anyone seriously think Trump would allow them onto his team, if they'd disclosed their work with Putin since 2005, as well as their work with Oleg Deripaska?

No way.

17. But Manafort DID wiggle his slimy backside in, did he not? And isn't it strange that Manafort was at the meeting set up with Trump Jnr & Veselnitskaya in June 9, 2016?

More than strange.

 

18. The same Russian (let into the country by Loretta Lynch) who just happened to meet with Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS) before AND after the June 2016 meeting.

And that it was Manafort who apparently tipped off the authorities about that meeting?

Suspect? You bet it is.

 

19. It STINKS. Manafort never had Trump's best interests at heart. My bet? He was being paid by Podesta as part of the same scheme Clinton put into play, to frame Trump.
 

With Bank Subpoenas, Mueller Turns Up the Heat on Manafort U.S. special counsel Robert Mueller is bearing down on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort as he directs a wide-ranging probe into Russian interference in last year’s presidential election. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-10/with-bank-subpoenas-mueller-is-said-to-turn-up-heat-on-manafort?utm_content=politics&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics

 

20. His motive? Same as Papadopoulos. Like so many who did Hillary's dirty work, they thought they'd be REWARDED by the Clintons after she won the Presidency.

Which, like all these criminals, they ASSUMED was a foregone conclusion.

They gambled & lost. Big time.

 

21. These days it's best not to listen to the MSM. They are 100% wrong, 100% of the time.

It IS good news that Mueller has apparently flipped Gates, but just not in the way that the Trump haters think.

As we will soon see.

/End.

 

 

 

[calfoxwc]

what we SEE....is the deep state dirty tricks.

Gates worked with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)

John Mccain is seen with george soros - in famous pic.

Mccain HATES Pres Trump.

Mccain is a rino of the worst degree.

and.....Mccain was getting leaks like crazy from inside the Trump team. Manafort brought Gates on board, manafort got kicked out, as well as gates...and a lot of leaks stopped after that, and more leaks stopped when whatshername left the WH.

manafort and gates were moles for Mccain, and the deep state left.

 

" Early in his career, Gates was an intern at the Washington, D.C., consulting firm Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly.^[1] There, he worked with Republican lobbyist Rick Davis, eventually going to work for him and Manafort in 2006 at their new consulting firm, Davis Manafort, with an office in Kiev, Ukraine.^[1]Among the clients Gates worked with were Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, taking over this work when Davis left the firm in 2008 to work on the presidential campaign of John McCain.^[1] Together, they were instrumental in brokering a meeting between McCain and Deripaska in 2006.^[5][6] "

 

[TexasAg1969]

49 minutes ago, JAFBF said:

This is not the long read I first saw about this, but it does paint a broader picture:

Funny how all these indictments are actually going through the Grand Jury process. Just saying that when all is said in done you have just seen the blueprint going after Gates/Manafort money laundering schemes that will eventually go through the Trump empire in a similar fashion to uncover years of the same thing. This isn't over by a longshot and Mueller doesn't have to rely on strange conspiracy theories off the internet to prove his case in court where it belongs. Trump can complain all he wants, but one honest man is going to follow the money. Try to oust him and he immediately meets Nixon's fate.

[Canton Dawg]

1 minute ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Funny how all these indictments are actually going through the Grand Jury process. Just saying that when all is said in done you have just seen the blueprint going after Gates/Manafort money laundering schemes that will eventually go through the Trump empire in a similar fashion to uncover years of the same thing. This isn't over by a longshot and Mueller doesn't have to rely on strange conspiracy theories off the internet to prove his case in court where it belongs. Trump can complain all he wants, but one honest man is going to follow the money. Try to oust him and he immediately meets Nixon's fate.

Wishful thinking AG.

[calfoxwc]

manafort and gates were corrupt long before they ever got in with the Trump team.

See the post about gates and mccain. 

[TexasAg1969]

4 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

manafort and gates were corrupt long before they ever got in with the Trump team.

See the post about gates and mccain. 

Yes they were. However there would be no good reason to be offering deals to them unless there are bigger fish to fry. There are. Use your logic. This is exactly how Mueller took down the Teflon Don and the Gambino family. Reel in the small fry, make them a deal they can't refuse and get the big fish. It's a process and that's where it's headed. No amount of conspiracy theory or trying to denigrate an honest Republican with a real war record as a marine is going to deter the inevitable. Why some of you still take the side of the proven liar is beyond me. You've lost your bearings.

[calfoxwc]

you are so bigoted you can't see straight. You have Trump guilty before he's proven innocent. Sounds like a marxist kangaroo court, to me.

Odd, you bring up the gambino family. Your dirty Mueller's top prosecutor was involved with the Columbo prosecutions, and was also dirty.

"But Weissmann’s rise to the top was rocky from the start. Although he’s been described as a tough prosecutor by some, his involvement in a case targeting the Colombo crime family in a New York Eastern District Court was the first of many that would draw criticism from his peers, as well as judges. "

that is your great deep state hope, Tex. Dirty Mueller, and Dirty Weissmann.

That's Andrew ?Weissmann, TexAg. A dirty pit bull prosecutor who cheats and lies to get his target.

Dirty Mueller's top buddy and chosen top prosecutor.

Stop gloating over them, it's unwarranted, Tex. Makes you look like you need to read more.

Those two are dirty, corrupt, desperate deep state players. They will keep "investigating" for years, until Trump is gone, and can't drain the swamp as he would like.

https://saraacarter.com/muellers-pit-bull-andrew-weissmann-busted-withholding-evidence-previous-case/

[JAFBF]

It's all a Show.

 

Mueller is hooked into Uranium One - there are Treason charges coming from just this one scandal of nearly 3 dozen cooking.

His Boss is also tied into U1.

Meanwhile, his (Mueller) Boss's Boss has been casually announcing one Investigation after another, and MSM has been oblivious to it - intentional or not.

 

This is the Left's number one guy that they wanted, and they "got" him for this Clown show.

Mueller is just trying to keep his keister out of Prison (for his part).

Do you really think he is as incompetent as he's been looking ?

Nearly a year into this and Flynn's charges are going to get thrown out because they're BS and a bunch of Russian Trolls for $#!+posting who'll never get extradited?

 

 

 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[TexasAg1969]

The Man behind the Dossier: Worth reading

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier

[calfoxwc]

NEWSFLASH: Australian super liberal politician - the source that promted the investigation to get Trump.

Is a huge FRIEND of the CLINTONS, and has a 25 million dollar connection to the clinton foundation.

gets dirtier and dirtier. the deep state is the corrupt, greedy, rich misusers of their gov positions, and they are having to get Trump before justice catches up with them, and puts them on trial.

************************************

http://thehill.com/376858-australian-diplomat-whose-tip-prompted-fbis-russia-probe-has-tie-to-clintons

Downer, now Australia’s ambassador to London, provided the account of a conversation with Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos at a London bar in 2016 that became the official reason the FBI opened the Russia counterintelligence probe.

But lawmakers say the FBI didn’t tell Congress about Downer’s prior connection to the Clinton Foundation. Republicans say they are concerned the new information means nearly all of the early evidence the FBI used to justify its election-year probe of Trump came from sources supportive of the Clintons, including the controversial Steele dossier.

“The Clintons’ tentacles go everywhere. So, that’s why it’s important,” said Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) chairman of a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee that has been taking an increasingly visible role defending the Trump administration in the Russia probe. “We continue to get new information every week it seems that sort of underscores the fact that the FBI hasn’t been square with us.”

Spokesman for the FBI and Russia special counsel Robert Mueller declined comment.