runyon27 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint. But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted. Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each... Washington Tennesee Oregon Michigan LSU FSU Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 13 hours ago, jcam222 said: What about Wyoming? After all that's where our guy is from...... All the Wyoming QBs drafted anyway....since the common draft began in 1966: Drafted Players Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2004 7 218 Casey Bramlet QB CIN 0 0 0 Wyoming 2 1967 6 155 Rick Egloff QB OAK 0 0 0 Wyoming College Stats Not a single pass thrown in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 47 minutes ago, runyon27 said: Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer. Their claim on Russell is tenuous at best, but they make a good case... but not a clear winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 13 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Then there's the list of UCLA qb's. Troy Aikman... Brett Hundley.... ...and..... a bunch of guys I never heard of. Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono: Drafted Players Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB 22 GNB 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 15 9 3-6-0 194 326 1853 9 13 39 268 2 UCLA College Stats 2 1999 1 12 Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 0 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 3 1992 1 25 Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 4 1989 1 1 Troy Aikman HOF QB 22 DAL 1989 2000 0 6 11 97 165 165 94-71-0 2898 4715 32942 165 141 327 1016 9 UCLA College Stats 5 1986 11 291 David Norrie QB 22 SEA 1987 1987 0 0 0 1 2 2 0-2-0 35 68 376 1 4 5 5 0 UCLA College Stats 6 1985 6 142 Steve Bono QB 23 MIN 1985 1999 0 1 2 32 88 42 28-14-0 934 1701 10439 62 42 125 257 7 UCLA College Stats 7 1984 3 83 Jay Schroeder QB 23 WAS 1985 1994 0 1 8 62 118 99 61-38-0 1426 2808 20063 114 108 242 761 5 UCLA College Stats 8 1983 10 267 Tom Ramsey QB 22 NWE 1986 1989 0 0 0 5 28 5 2-3-0 108 214 1285 7 10 21 82 1 UCLA College Stats 9 1968 2 30 Gary Beban QB 22 RAM 1968 1969 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 5 18 0 UCLA College Stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 10 hours ago, SD_Tom said: Mahomes possibly? Possibly, yes. You never know....maybe a trend will be broken....Mahomes, Mayfield, Rudolph etc. all become stars in this league....winning numerous postseason games......instead of Andy Dalton: 0-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I put zero stock in this, Michigan QBs were overrated before Brady, Tennessee QBs were overrated before Manning, etc. Wasn't Bill Nelson a USC guy? I liked him. May not have been drafted though. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 10 hours ago, Tour2ma said: Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint. But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted. Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each... Washington Tennesee Oregon Michigan LSU FSU Of course, having QBs drafted....and having them be good, are two different matters. As you note: USC had the most drafted....but except for Palmer...no real success stories. (Ergo....the title to this thread: USC QBs overrated?). And the funny thing about Washington: their best QB ever went undrafted...and had to go play in Canada for 5 years because the NFL didn't think he would be good because he was black: Warren Moon. (though that was probably more than 30 years ago) Of course, one guy can help a school's reputation: Brady for FMU, Peyton for Tenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, boo fagley said: Bob Who? Kilmer played wearing a leather jock strap. Don't play the ignoramous role. Or...are you not playing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zombo said: I put zero stock in this, Michigan QBs were overrated before Brday, Tennessee QBs were overrated before Manning, etc. Wasn't Bill Nelson a USC guy? I liked him. May not have been drafted though. Zombo He was USC, and he was drafted by the Steelers, then sent to the Browns for Penis Shiner: Nelsen was drafted in the 10th round of the 1963 NFL Draft by the Steelers, but saw limited action during his first two seasons. In 1965, new head coach Mike Nixon gave Nelsen the starting job. However, the struggling team finished 2-12, offering him little help, with Nelsen throwing for eight touchdowns, in addition to 17 interceptions. In the November 14, 1965 game against the Dallas Cowboys, Nelsen suffered a knee injury that plagued him the remainder of that year and underwent surgery after the season. The following season, Nelsen suffered a knee injury against the Detroit Lions in the season's second game. Originally scheduled to be out of the lineup for six weeks, Nelsen would not return until the season's 12th week. The limited time on the field allowed him to set a league record for fewest interceptions (100 minimum passes) with just one on the campaign. In the season finale on December 18, he completed his final 11 passes to defeat the expansion Atlanta Falcons. In 1967, the injuries continued for Nelsen when during the closing moments of the September 24 game against the St. Louis Cardinals, he was injured following a tackle by Chuck Walker. He missed the next four games, but came off the bench to engineer a 14-10 comeback victory over the expansion New Orleans Saints on October 29. On May 14, 1968, Nelsen was traded, along with defensive back Jim Bradshaw, to the Browns. In return, the Pittsburgh Steelers received quarterback finger Shiner, defensive tackle Frank Parker and an undisclosed draft choice.[1]The trade wound up helping both teams, as within a month into the season, both Nelsen and Shiner were starting at quarterback for their new clubs. After serving as Frank Ryan's backup for three games in 1968, Nelsen was elevated to the starting role, and quickly made his mark with a shocking 30-20 upset of the previously unbeaten Baltimore Colts on October 20. By the end of the season, Nelsen had led the team to the playoffs, winning nine of his 11 starts. In 1969, Nelsen had another strong season, leading the Browns to a 10-3-1 record and a postseason berth, as well as being selected to his first and only Pro Bowl. One week after throwing for five touchdowns in a 42-10 victory over the previously unbeaten Dallas Cowboys on November 2, Nelsen spent a miserable afternoon against the Minnesota Vikings on the losing end of a 51-3 score. In addition, he briefly left that game with a pinched nerve in his throwing arm, a malady that would trouble him for the rest of the season. In game two of the 1970 NFL season, Nelsen took yet another hit to his knees in a September 27 game against the San Francisco 49ers. The injury forced him out of the game and kept him on the sidelines the following week as well. After a midseason slump, he was replaced for one game by rookie Mike Phipps, but returned to start the final five games. Unfortunately, the Browns dropped to a 7-7 mark and missed the postseason. In 1971, Nelsen led the Browns to four wins in their first five games, but another midseason slump once again relegated him to the bench for one game. Unlike the previous year, however, Nelsen led the team to five straight victories to once again reach the playoffs. Nelsen briefly won the starting job to start the 1972 season, but gave way to Phipps after a 26-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers in the opening game. Weeks after the conclusion of the season, Nelsen underwent his fifth knee operation and announced his retirement. In 2012, the Plain Dealer named Nelsen #52 on its list of the top 100 Browns of all time.[2] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The Gipper said: Don't play the ignoramous role. Or...are you not playing it? He's vying for a role in the remake of the old Peters Sellers movie, "Being There" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 "I like to watch" - Chauncey Gardener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Don't play the ignoramous role. Or...are you not playing it? How many other Caveman QBs you got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 hours ago, The Gipper said: Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono: Drafted Players Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB 22 GNB 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 15 9 3-6-0 194 326 1853 9 13 39 268 2 UCLA College Stats 2 1999 1 12 Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 0 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 3 1992 1 25 Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 4 1989 1 1 Troy Aikman HOF QB 22 DAL 1989 2000 0 6 11 97 165 165 94-71-0 2898 4715 32942 165 141 327 1016 9 UCLA College Stats 5 1986 11 291 David Norrie QB 22 SEA 1987 1987 0 0 0 1 2 2 0-2-0 35 68 376 1 4 5 5 0 UCLA College Stats 6 1985 6 142 Steve Bono QB 23 MIN 1985 1999 0 1 2 32 88 42 28-14-0 934 1701 10439 62 42 125 257 7 UCLA College Stats 7 1984 3 83 Jay Schroeder QB 23 WAS 1985 1994 0 1 8 62 118 99 61-38-0 1426 2808 20063 114 108 242 761 5 UCLA College Stats 8 1983 10 267 Tom Ramsey QB 22 NWE 1986 1989 0 0 0 5 28 5 2-3-0 108 214 1285 7 10 21 82 1 UCLA College Stats 9 1968 2 30 Gary Beban QB 22 RAM 1968 1969 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 5 18 0 UCLA College Stats Steve Bono sucked. The criteria is Super Bowls winning QBs and not guys passing out cups of Gatorade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Lately Cal is looking good. Goff and Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, boo fagley said: Lately Cal is looking good. Goff and Rodgers. This game can go on a while. Joe Kapp, Craig Morton, Steve Bartkowski I know ....Ancient history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 47 minutes ago, boo fagley said: How many other Caveman QBs you got? How many brain cells do you have? Very few I surmise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 51 minutes ago, boo fagley said: Steve Bono sucked. The criteria is Super Bowls winning QBs and not guys passing out cups of Gatorade. That was NOT the criteria. The criteria was simply: What school has put out the most Good QBs? (the exact quote from Tour was: "what school can be considered QBU"....and this from Dutch: So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame? Winning SBs was only a part of that. Being in the HOF is a part of that. Being a good QB was a part of that. Other things were part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: This game can go on a while. Joe Kapp, Craig Morton, Steve Bartkowski I know ....Ancient history. Kinda would be good to talk about QBs relevant to todays game since the Browns are drafting one. Goff looks promising. Rodgers might be the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, The Gipper said: How many brain cells do you have? Very few I surmise. Enough to know that Knute Rockne could not play in todays NFL regardless of your Idiotic charts and graphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Here is one way to answer the question: What is QBU: I am looking at the PFR career Production Average of the Top 250 players in NFL history...or at least since they did measuring of this which is like from 1960 forward. Of these 250 Top players, 45 of them are QBs. So....the following are schools that had multiple QBs come out of there in the Top 45 productive QBs since the 60s: Purdue has 3: Dawson, Griese, Brees Alabama has 3: Namath, Starr, Stabler Stanford has 2; Brodie, Elway NC St. has 2: Roman Gabriel and Phillip Rivers Cal has 2: Aaron Rodgers and Craig Morton And that is it...all other schools had just one. Now, this leaves out a lot of guys. Because it is a career production average.....guys with longer careers got more points. Take Miami Fla.....the only QB in the top 45 CA was: Vinny Testaverde.......meaning that Kosar and Kelly were not in there. And anyone that knows anything knows that Kelly and Kosar were better QBs than Vinny.....yet that is how these particular numbers came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, The Gipper said: That was NOT the criteria. The criteria was simply: What school has put out the most Good QBs? (the exact quote from Tour was: "what school can be considered QBU"....and this from Dutch: So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame? Winning SBs was only a part of that. Being in the HOF is a part of that. Being a good QB was a part of that. Other things were part of that. Bono blows. Bono, Maddox and Shroeder were not good QBs on any planet. Is that all the Browns want? A good QB. Gee, you would think that they would be after a great QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, boo fagley said: Enough to know that Knute Rockne could not play in todays NFL regardless of your Idiotic charts and graphs. You are not even smart enough to know that Knute Rockne was a college coach.....and NOT an NFL player. You are showing your ignorance with every stroke of the key. If you want to keep making a fool of yourself...by all means do so.. otherwise I would just go watch TV or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 minute ago, boo fagley said: Bono blows. Bono, Maddox and Shroeder were not good QBs on any planet. Is that all the Browns want? A good QB. Gee, you would think that they would be after a great QB Didn't say Bono etc. were any good. But you have heard of them. That was all that was about. And the course of this discussion has fuyuck all to do with what the Browns want. Are you seriously so goddam dumb that you cannot follow along with a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 7 hours ago, The Gipper said: You are not even smart enough to know that Knute Rockne was a college coach.....and NOT an NFL player. You are showing your ignorance with every stroke of the key. If you want to keep making a fool of yourself...by all means do so.. otherwise I would just go watch TV or something. You never fail to disappoint and make an butt of yourself. Good job. The Akron Pros were a professional football team For his 1914 recruiting efforts, Parratt signed the usual big-name players, which consisted of a lineup that changed from week to week, with just enough stars on hand to guarantee a win. However, in 1914, he also employed several former Notre Dame stars, including the legendary Knute Rockne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_Pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo fagley Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 7 hours ago, The Gipper said: Didn't say Bono etc. were any good. But you have heard of them. That was all that was about. And the course of this discussion has fuyuck all to do with what the Browns want. Are you seriously so goddam dumb that you cannot follow along with a thread? 12 hours ago, The Gipper said: Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 This is really a dumb conversation. Tennessee is a good example... how many good QBs were before Manning, or Miami (OH) (Big Ben), Michigan (Brady), Cal (Rodgers), and so on... which college they went to means absolutely nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 A 23 sighting! And Mud sighting all in one week? Have the Buzzards returned to Hinckley as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 19 hours ago, The Gipper said: Here is one way to answer the question: What is QBU: I am looking at the PFR career Production Average of the Top 250 players in NFL history...or at least since they did measuring of this which is like from 1960 forward. Of these 250 Top players, 45 of them are QBs. So....the following are schools that had multiple QBs come out of there in the Top 45 productive QBs since the 60s: Purdue has 3: Dawson, Griese, Brees Alabama has 3: Namath, Starr, Stabler Stanford has 2; Brodie, Elway NC St. has 2: Roman Gabriel and Phillip Rivers Cal has 2: Aaron Rodgers and Craig Morton And that is it...all other schools had just one. Now, this leaves out a lot of guys. Because it is a career production average.....guys with longer careers got more points. Take Miami Fla.....the only QB in the top 45 CA was: Vinny Testaverde.......meaning that Kosar and Kelly were not in there. And anyone that knows anything knows that Kelly and Kosar were better QBs than Vinny.....yet that is how these particular numbers came out. If you are using a stat as a measuring stick that does not include Jim Kelly, I would get rid of that stat. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 12 hours ago, boo fagley said: You never fail to disappoint and make an butt of yourself. Good job. The Akron Pros were a professional football team For his 1914 recruiting efforts, Parratt signed the usual big-name players, which consisted of a lineup that changed from week to week, with just enough stars on hand to guarantee a win. However, in 1914, he also employed several former Notre Dame stars, including the legendary Knute Rockne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_Pros Never said that Rockne never played football somewhere.....I said that he never played in the NFL...and was known as a coach. In 1914 the NFL did not yet exist. And you had no clue that Rockne even played semi-pro type ball for the Akron Pros until you googled him. But...since you say you know so much about this.....why can you not know who played in the 1990s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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