Honestly, I can't wait to see how this goes....

[calfoxwc]

I actually was in secondary education at the time, speech major, english minor, or was it the opposite...but I was going to drop speech, for the liberal profs etc, and go with general science and English.

But, things change, and I enlisted in the military to support my parents who were going to be going through a very long strike at his work. and, there was a glut of teachers already graduated, with no place to go except to factories, etc. It worked out great - gave them my paychecks the entire time, about three months, they did fine, and I even fished for panfish on the back of the base, and hunted frogs and squirrels for supper. I even cooked up some cattail roots and stems for "potatoes" and greens. But I never thought to roast the green heads like corn. Maybe I'll try that this year.

Once in a while...I did have a few bucks on me for spaghetti - it was really cheap. And macaroni and cheese, with frozen peas and mushroom soup cooked into it.

It was my first survival outdoor skills test, outside of building fires without matches as a kid. lol But I didn't have to build a shelter or boil water. I lived in a rented room and it was paid for 6 mnths in advance, I was good.

[MLD Woody]

8 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

Well, I sure ran afoul of the stinkin lefties in college a few times, let me tell ya.

Once, it was so obvious, I took my paper to the dean, with the grade marked out on the copy,

and he graded it an A paper, said if he were trying to screw with my grade, he still couldn't give it less than a B-.

Yeah, the prof had given me a D-, no explanation, except my assigned subject was anti war protests influence - constructive or not, and I explained how it had alienated the middle class and prolonged the war.

  He was a ringleader of anti-war protests. I was a freshman in my first year, didn't know that.

"And then I stood up and said 'God ISN'T dead'. The professor and I had a debate. I won, and proved his atheism wrong. All of the students applauded."

[MLD Woody]

8 hours ago, htownbrown said:

Well a much larger data set suggests you're close to right on OSU, but overall you're way off.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/

That doesn't suggest all liberal professors wield politics like a club and I'm not suggesting that either.  But the numbers aren't even close.

 

A few things:

1) You're right. A professor being a Dem or Rep doesn't mean they're shoving their politics in students faces. 

2) Their study seems to indicate Independents are about even with Dems as well

3) That study DIDN'T examine business, engineering and natural sciences. All of which would skew much less Democratic

4) The article also inadvertently took a shot at OSU, which I chuckled at. 

[Westside Steve]

1 minute ago, MLD Woody said:

A few things:

1) You're right. A professor being a Dem or Rep doesn't mean they're shoving their politics in students faces. 

2) Their study seems to indicate Independents are about even with Dems as well

3) That study DIDN'T examine business, engineering and natural sciences. All of which would skew much less Democratic

4) The article also inadvertently took a shot at OSU, which I chuckled at. 

Number 3 makes a great deal of sense to me. I would imagine there are plenty of professors who really don't care one way or the other. Probably the hardest left would be found among my guys in the theater Department.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

One other point, and this is only a guess on my part, is that many college professors might be a little bit bitter because they see High School grads and guys with some college making a great deal of money with much less formal education. I would guess law professors lean left because lawyers in general make a lot of money preying on the legal system and maybe doctor's the other way because the left has their paychecks in their sights with the promotion of free healthcare for everybody.

Can't really imagine engineer's caring very much.

WSS

[MLD Woody]

4 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Number 3 makes a great deal of sense to me. I would imagine there are plenty of professors who really don't care one way or the other. Probably the hardest left would be found among my guys in the theater Department.

WSS

Right. But you just can't take a study that doesn't cover all of the college landscape, and then use that data to make it seem like that 12:1 ratio exists all across college. That's all I'm getting at there.

[MLD Woody]

3 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

One other point, and this is only a guess on my part, is that many college professors might be a little bit bitter because they see High School grads and guys with some college making a great deal of money with much less formal education. I would guess law professors lean left because lawyers in general make a lot of money preying on the legal system and maybe doctor's the other way because the left has their paychecks in their sights with the promotion of free healthcare for everybody.

Can't really imagine engineer's caring very much.

WSS

You don't just back into being a professor. Not at major colleges at least. They're doing what they love. Researching, teaching, etc. Getting great perks, living in some of the best towns in the country, and doing very well. I don't think they're bitter at all. 

 

And you're correct, no one in engineering gave a Sheet. Way too busy to go to rallies for or against something

[Westside Steve]

9 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Right. But you just can't take a study that doesn't cover all of the college landscape, and then use that data to make it seem like that 12:1 ratio exists all across college. That's all I'm getting at there.

I ain't necessarily disagreeing with you. I think its the real scumbags like Ward Churchill, and the fat bitch who was happy about Barbara Bush's death, and the fact the universities are scared to death of disciplining these people make them all sound bad.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

4 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

"And then I stood up and said 'God ISN'T dead'. The professor and I had a debate. I won, and proved his atheism wrong. All of the students applauded."

woodypeckerhead pecks again.

[htownbrown]

5 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

A few things:

1) You're right. A professor being a Dem or Rep doesn't mean they're shoving their politics in students faces. 

2) Their study seems to indicate Independents are about even with Dems as well

3) That study DIDN'T examine business, engineering and natural sciences. All of which would skew much less Democratic

4) The article also inadvertently took a shot at OSU, which I chuckled at. 

#3 is somewhat of a valid point, but I'm not so sure it changes much.  Business departments are the largest department of study, but this study included economics as a department it observed.  Considering an economics major and business major would have largely overlapping courses for a couple years and that many profs, especially at mid to small schools, would teach within both of those fields as they would probably be qualified to, I don't see that stat from this study being a problem and probably reasonably representative of a business department.  I believe that ratio was 4.5 to 1.

You may be right about the engineering department, but relatively speaking, outside of tech schools and the like they are one of the smallest of the major departments at almost any campus.  They will not skew the stats very far in any direction, unless you are suggesting complete conservatism in those areas which would be silly.  https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

With regards to natural sciences, the subcategories have changed everything.  Environmental based majors are going to be heavily liberal, obviously.  Originally I majored in Atmospheric Science, but noticed, as you suggest, a slight drift towards conservative thought when I switched to Geology and away from the 'we are killing the planet' crowd.  If I were you I would not have even mentioned this department because people are motivated into them for many different reasons, but assuming a 50/50 split on political leanings it doesn't change the overall stats very much considering the department size, relatively speaking.

12:1 may be stretching the real numbers a bit, but even 4:1 is pretty substantial and obvious.  Obvious to the point there really shouldn't be an argument about whether campuses in general are liberal or not.  I mean....Duhhhhhhh.  If you would like to debate this, please post some stats.  I'd love to read something, anything that suggests universities are even slightly conservative.

 

[htownbrown]

 

So DT is underqualified you say?  Any thoughts on how a socialist bartender will do in office?  Can't wait to hear Nancy tell this chick to "shut up and make my raspberry martini".  Ahhhhhh......Maduro Light - Drink responsibly.  Spend irrationally.  

[MLD Woody]

4 hours ago, htownbrown said:

#3 is somewhat of a valid point, but I'm not so sure it changes much.  Business departments are the largest department of study, but this study included economics as a department it observed.  Considering an economics major and business major would have largely overlapping courses for a couple years and that many profs, especially at mid to small schools, would teach within both of those fields as they would probably be qualified to, I don't see that stat from this study being a problem and probably reasonably representative of a business department.  I believe that ratio was 4.5 to 1.

You may be right about the engineering department, but relatively speaking, outside of tech schools and the like they are one of the smallest of the major departments at almost any campus.  They will not skew the stats very far in any direction, unless you are suggesting complete conservatism in those areas which would be silly.  https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

With regards to natural sciences, the subcategories have changed everything.  Environmental based majors are going to be heavily liberal, obviously.  Originally I majored in Atmospheric Science, but noticed, as you suggest, a slight drift towards conservative thought when I switched to Geology and away from the 'we are killing the planet' crowd.  If I were you I would not have even mentioned this department because people are motivated into them for many different reasons, but assuming a 50/50 split on political leanings it doesn't change the overall stats very much considering the department size, relatively speaking.

12:1 may be stretching the real numbers a bit, but even 4:1 is pretty substantial and obvious.  Obvious to the point there really shouldn't be an argument about whether campuses in general are liberal or not.  I mean....Duhhhhhhh.  If you would like to debate this, please post some stats.  I'd love to read something, anything that suggests universities are even slightly conservative.

 

I never suggested a 50/50 split in these other departments or that liberals weren't more prominent overall. 

The idea that all universities are just liberal brainwashing groups is what I'm saying is ridiculous. Because of what I mentioned above, if someone wanted to use the 12:1 stat to support that claim, they'd be incorrect and that data point wouldn't be proving what they think. 

 

Also, you don't need to go to a technical school to have a sizeable engineering student body. Michigan's college of engineering was very large. 

 

 

I took Environmental Ethics for my required 300 level humanities course. I brought Wendy's and drank from a plastic water bottle. Wasn't super popular

[htownbrown]

13 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

The idea that all universities are just liberal brainwashing groups is what I'm saying is ridiculous. Because of what I mentioned above, if someone wanted to use the 12:1 stat to support that claim, they'd be incorrect and that data point wouldn't be proving what they think. 

 

Ok, brainwashing may be a harsh term, but the lack of diversity correlates to a completely one-sided perspective.  So if you take a class that deals in non absolutes, unlike STEM courses, you could find yourself in a bubble very quickly.  That data set easily proves that.  And if I had to guess, when people say brainwashing that is more in line with what they mean.