lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I heard on a local radio show yesterday, that Joe T., when asked about Hue, stated that you can't judge him by the first 2 seasons because the organization was tanking....they were losing purposely. Does anyone buy this? If so...it makes me dislike Hue more for taking the HC job, and agreeing to lose by design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I think it's just what it looked like to Joe. And the players. And the media. And all of us. And..... However, in those first two seasons we saw how lousy a Game-Day coach he was/is.....and how he's NOT a quarterback whisperer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Why would Joe Thomas open this can of worms? He's a respected player and obviously a supporter of Jackson. No good can come from making this statement, but I think a player would know if his team is tanking on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 It was an obvious tank job, it shouldn't even be up for debate. How many veteran players were traded away or released that could have helped the Browns win games in the last two years? (And I'm not saying the Browns were right or wrong to go at the rebuild this way, just stating the obvious) The 1-31 to me isn't the problem with Hue, because this team the last two seasons was not built to win, not at all. You don't go into last season with the QBs on the roster that they did with the idea that you are winning games. You just are not. That being said, you can still watch how the team plays, how Hue makes in-game decisions, how the team seems prepared and come to the conclusion that Hue has not done a good job, and he was ill-equipped to be a head coach of such a young team. Some coaches aren't good with young players. I'm convinced that Belichick wouldn't have had a much better record. The talent level was bad, and/or incredibly young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Of course they were tanking the plan was picks and cap space. A rip up and start all over again. Haslam knew it, signed it off and then I guess deemed it was time for more of a football guy to use that space and picks So far not so good. Tyrod, Landry and Hyde are the skill position signings and all been average so far. Maybe we can blame Hue for that part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said: That being said, you can still watch how the team plays, how Hue makes in-game decisions, how the team seems prepared and come to the conclusion that Hue has not done a good job A thumbs up for this part Hue has got the more veteran offense he wanted and he still cannot win with them despite the defense giving the team ample chances to do so. He’s out of excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 It's not something a fan wants to hear...even if we suspected it. I'm no fan of Hue Jackson, but what if he deliberately acted to promote losing, knowing that he would not be fired because he was following orders? It's looking to me like Sashi set it up, and Haslam had a change of heart last season when he fired Sashi and hired Dorsey. That's why Hue's job was not in jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Tanking isn't the same as telling your players to lose, but if you don't give them the tools to win you're tanking none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Agreed. I can't believe that players would intentionally play to lose. If thats the fact, then Shmuck the BROWNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I don't believe the players would be a part of it either, but they would know what's going on. The HC could control winning and losing by playing certain players. This would make fans, media members, and announcers scratch their heads and wonder....sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Of course, this is just wild speculation, even though it seems to fall into place, the more you think about it. An owner would have to be a real scumbag with no morals, no integrity. You know...someone who wouldn't have a problem really screwing the customers who keep him rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: Agreed. I can't believe that players would intentionally play to lose. If thats the fact, then Shmuck the BROWNS. I don't think the players were intentionally trying to lose. But if you watched a Browns game over the last 2 years and then watched a playoff-caliber team, the obvious difference in the level of talent was beyond discouraging. As Mike Polk would say, "It's like they're playing a different sport than we are." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, lodilobo said: I don't believe the players would be a part of it either, but they would know what's going on. The HC could control winning and losing by playing certain players. This would make fans, media members, and announcers scratch their heads and wonder....sound familiar? If the front office is trying to recreate 'Major League', purposely fielding a team so devoid of talent that there's no way in hell they'll win, then what the coach does or doesn't do, over the long-haul, won't much matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 hours ago, lodilobo said: I heard on a local radio show yesterday, that Joe T., when asked about Hue, stated that you can't judge him by the first 2 seasons because the organization was tanking....they were losing purposely. Does anyone buy this? If so...it makes me dislike Hue more for taking the HC job, and agreeing to lose by design. I do believe it to a certain extent. By that, I mean, I don't think they were purposely losing games (though sometimes it seemed like it), just that Sachi basically had this plan to "suck in order to become good eventually". The old Suck for Luck deal. I mean, such a strategy HAS worked in the past. The World Series champion Houston Astros is one...as have been others (Philly 76ers etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I guess it's not a new concept or a revelation. It just doesn't seem right when a player who was there, states it as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 He's talking about the front office tanking. Yes, like Astros and 76ers. Players and coaching staff were not trying to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, lodilobo said: I guess it's not a new concept or a revelation. It just doesn't seem right when a player who was there, states it as fact. If it was a fact, and I think it was, why should he lie about it? Like I said here, the Browns losing was a combination of a plan to be bad in order to get good, and just incredible ineptitude by the HC...and these players to lose game. When you bring in bad players, they are going to find a way to lose. When you combine that with an inept HC, there you have 0-16. When you get better players, they still have to learn to win....which they have not done yet; and, you still have to deal with the inept coach factor. He may overcome his ineptitude here and there with better players. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodilobo Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, The Gipper said: If it was a fact, and I think it was, why should he lie about it? Like I said here, the Browns losing was a combination of a plan to be bad in order to get good, and just incredible ineptitude by the HC...and these players to lose game. When you bring in bad players, they are going to find a way to lose. When you combine that with an inept HC, there you have 0-16. When you get better players, they still have to learn to win....which they have not done yet; and, you still have to deal with the inept coach factor. He may overcome his ineptitude here and there with better players. We shall see. It wasn't like he would have had to lie. He offered this information, I suppose, to defend Hue. Hey....by the way...I lost quite a few lunches betting with my accountant over the last 2 years. Do we have a case against Sashi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDawg Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Haslam and Sashi agreed on a tanking plan. As MKC wrote once, Hue's best roster (until now) was the team on the day he signed, after that good players like Mack, Greco, etc were allowed to leave, cut or traded. They probably should be better than 1-31 in two seasons but not by much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 8 hours ago, lodilobo said: I heard on a local radio show yesterday, that Joe T., when asked about Hue, stated that you can't judge him by the first 2 seasons because the organization was tanking....they were losing purposely. Does anyone buy this? If so...it makes me dislike Hue more for taking the HC job, and agreeing to lose by design. I don't believe Hue tried to lose any games, no coach does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 So there's no confusion, I believe the Browns plan was to strip the team to the foundation, acquire tons of picks, which would be high picks due to the lack of any veteran talent and the overwhelming youth of the roster, and rebuild from there. The Houston Astros or Philadelphia 76ers Plan for the NFL. I do not think players or coaches were throwing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Dutch Oven said: So there's no confusion, I believe the Browns plan was to strip the team to the foundation, acquire tons of picks, which would be high picks due to the lack of any veteran talent and the overwhelming youth of the roster, and rebuild from there. The Houston Astros or Philadelphia 76ers Plan for the NFL. I do not think players or coaches were throwing games. I agree. I also feel it was a "tank job" explained as Dutch has so well above. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Oh well, they Shmucked the fans and season ticket holders. So Shmuck them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 And we have had high picks for years and it hasn't done us any f u c k i n g good since we always pick lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Canton Mike said: I agree. I also feel it was a "tank job" explained as Dutch has so well above. Mike sashi was the hatchet man for the payroll Dorsey came in and did the same with a bunch of worthless players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 anyway this is old news the haslems more or less already said they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: So there's no confusion, I believe the Browns plan was to strip the team to the foundation, acquire tons of picks, which would be high picks due to the lack of any veteran talent and the overwhelming youth of the roster, and rebuild from there. The Houston Astros or Philadelphia 76ers Plan for the NFL. I do not think players or coaches were throwing games. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 13 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan said: And we have had high picks for years and it hasn't done us any f u c k i n g good since we always pick lousy. Ahh! There's the rub. Hopefully that has changed the last couple of years. But, lets face it: Last year we took 3 players in the first round: Peppers, McGarrett, and Njoku. This year we took 2: Mayfield and Ward. Odds are that at least one or more of these will end up being a bust. (I will resist the Browns history that says that 4 out of 5 will be that). So, which one is most likely to bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 4 hours ago, The Gipper said: Ahh! There's the rub. Hopefully that has changed the last couple of years. But, lets face it: Last year we took 3 players in the first round: Peppers, McGarrett, and Njoku. This year we took 2: Mayfield and Ward. Odds are that at least one or more of these will end up being a bust. (I will resist the Browns history that says that 4 out of 5 will be that). So, which one is most likely to bust? Njoku peppers Mayfield ward Garrett. In that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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