calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country. They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 The northern position was reunification not punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said: How many Confederates were executed as traitors? Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new 🤴 who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation. EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new 🤴 who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation. EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp And the South wanted to free themselves from the shackles of the president. So what? And why was that? Because Washington and his Pals Who are the .1% of wealthy people on the continent. Felt they were being overtaxed for ship they didn't care about. Like now. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new 🤴 who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation. EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp Again, you, like cccwhatever are guilty of acting as though I give a fuck about Trump one way or the other. I don't. I think he's a dick who is more effective than the guy everyone loved and now you've all got your panties in a bunch about it. I couldn't care less what happens to him one way or the other though. Long term this country belongs to the Democrats and it's irrevocably fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country. They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them. Were Confederates Real Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said: Sack of Baghdad 1258. Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. I never said Genghis was a swell guy, I said what he was able to do was amazing. 1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad. 2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid. 3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers. Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, cccjwh said: I never said Genghis was a swell guy, I said what he was able to do was amazing. 1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad. 2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid. 3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers. Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, MLD Woody said: Were Confederates Real Americans? If you remember how I explained the definition to you many times before - yes. It involves love of country, family values, independence, honor....etc. The civil war was over how those values were implemented. Your questions are getting far more stupidass than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, calfoxwc said: If you remember how I explained the definition to you many times before - yes. It involves love of country, family values, independence, honor....etc. The civil war was over how those values were implemented. Your questions are getting far more stupidass than usual. So both sides were real Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said: Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? Well I can see you don't know shit about Khan, so I won't bother. Being proud of people who were traitors to your country has nothing to do with enmity. Are the Germans proud of their Nazi history? No. But the assholes in this country sure are proud of people how committed treason and killed a bunch of Americans.And what was the primary reason for these traitors to commit treason? So they could keep on owning people. Hey I'm sure they didn't rape and murder a bunch slaves either, that is just fake news. If they actual had some noble cause to fight for, then you could have some pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said: Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? yeah - "genderless" as well. Maybe foreign who doesn't know our history, our Constitution, and some of the grammar sounds like the posts are from a russian dimwitted troll. Эй, cccjwh, вернуться домой, они на тебе, ОК? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: So both sides were real Americans? well, moron, I wasn't there to coin the term at the time, woodypeckerhead. Go learn something about the civil war before you ask stupid questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 So you know Confederates were Real Americans but you're not sure about the Yankees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 No, the answer is obvious. Just look past your gay pinko beak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, cccjwh said: Well I can see you don't know shit about Khan, so I won't bother. Being proud of people who were traitors to your country has nothing to do with enmity. Are the Germans proud of their Nazi history? No. But the assholes in this country sure are proud of people how committed treason and killed a bunch of Americans.And what was the primary reason for these traitors to commit treason? So they could keep on owning people. Hey I'm sure they didn't rape and murder a bunch slaves either, that is just fake news. If they actual had some noble cause to fight for, then you could have some pride. Typical response of someone arguing on inherently broken logic. I wouldn't bother to go any farther down that road if I were you either Grant remarked that he was filled with sadness and depression at the defeat of the South and could take no joy at the vanquishing of an enemy who had fought so hard and valiantly despite their cause being one of the worst anyone has ever fought for. Again this is typical liberal oversimplification. The wealthy plantation owners pushed for secession but the majority of the rebels were regular non-slave owning American boys and men that were roped into the war with big politicians' silky words about fighting for their homes and families. I can't find it in my heart any more than Grant could to condemn the typical Confederate fighting man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: Typical response of someone arguing on inherently broken logic. I wouldn't bother to go any farther down that road if I were you either Grant remarked that he was filled with sadness and depression at the defeat of the South and could take no joy at the vanquishing of am enemy who had fought so hard and valiantly despite their cause being one of the worst anyone has ever fought for. Again this is typical liberal oversimplification. The wealthy plantation owners pushed for secession but the majority of the rebels were regular non-slave owning American boys and men that were roped into the war with big politicians' silky words about fighting for their homes and families. I can't find it in my heart any more than Grant could to condemn the typical Confederate fighting man. Funny thing is I live within 20 miles of a place where no less than the Father of Texas, Sam Houston, gave one of his anti--secession speeches from the balcony of a still existent Inn on the Salado River. He paid the price of ostracism for his stance. But it earn him a permanent place in John F. Kennedy's "Profiles in Courage" with the title of Chapter V, "...I can forget that I am called a traitor."-Sam Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Obviously they should have listened to Sam Houston because everything he said turned out to be accurate, but that changes nothing about what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: Again this is typical liberal oversimplification. The wealthy plantation owners pushed for secession but the majority of the rebels were regular non-slave owning American boys and men that were roped into the war with big politicians' silky words about fighting for their homes and families. I can't find it in my heart any more than Grant could to condemn the typical Confederate fighting man. this is exactly true. Probably all the time, the truth is more comprehensive than a simple emotional knee jerk from a liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Funny thing is I live within 20 miles of a place where no less than the Father of Texas, Sam Houston, gave one of his anti--secession speeches from the balcony of a still existent Inn on the Salado River. He paid the price of ostracism for his stance. But it earn him a permanent place in John F. Kennedy's "Profiles in Courage" with the title of Chapter V, "...I can forget that I am called a traitor."-Sam Houston Even Lee himself spoke out against succession and by all accounts Jefferson Davis was none to pleased to have been elected president of the Confederate states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Were Confederates Real Americans? The original real Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 53 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: Typical response of someone arguing on inherently broken logic. I wouldn't bother to go any farther down that road if I were you either Grant remarked that he was filled with sadness and depression at the defeat of the South and could take no joy at the vanquishing of an enemy who had fought so hard and valiantly despite their cause being one of the worst anyone has ever fought for. Again this is typical liberal oversimplification. The wealthy plantation owners pushed for secession but the majority of the rebels were regular non-slave owning American boys and men that were roped into the war with big politicians' silky words about fighting for their homes and families. I can't find it in my heart any more than Grant could to condemn the typical Confederate fighting man. You can use the same reasoning to justify the Nazi soldiers decisions. Poor Hans was just fighting for his family back in Germany. I have heard all of the excuses for the traitors. Hey they were just following orders, right. But this isn't about them, they were forgiven for their treason. It's about people idolizing the South for wanting to keep people as slaves. Proud that half the country revolted and caused hundreds of thousands deaths, set back the country for a few decades. All because they wanted to keep on owning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 horseshit just further cementing your simple black and white thinking. Are you even capable of higher thought than a dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Who, exactly, is idolizing the South for slave society? I'm pretty sure you won't be able to give any specific examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccjwh Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said: horseshit just further cementing your simple black and white thinking. Are you even capable of higher thought than a dog? Typical response of someone arguing on inherently broken logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: No, the answer is obvious. Just look past your gay pinko beak. Then what is it? You said Confederates were real Americans You haven't said Yankees were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 59 minutes ago, cccjwh said: Typical response of someone arguing on inherently broken logic. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, The Cysko Kid said: Who, exactly, is idolizing the South for slave society? I'm pretty sure you won't be able to give any specific examples. Do these ngr fgts ring any bells for u? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Oh right, those guys.....🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said: Even Lee himself spoke out against succession and by all accounts Jefferson Davis was none to pleased to have been elected president of the Confederate states. Lee's price was Arlington National Cemetery established on the Lee family plantation (via his wife's family) around Arlington mansion. Poetic Justice at it's best.🤩 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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