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And getting to be more true every week under the Great Manipulator:

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"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under

the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist

program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without

knowing how it happened."

 

Norman Thomas

(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America[/size]

 

1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign

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1. we already accept some forms of socialism.

2. obama shares some ideals of that line of thinking. you insult real socialists by claiming he is one.

3. beats letting CEOs run rampant over our economy.

4. nice balance to the fringe right-winged god machine.

 

 

now can we move on to something....ya know, maybe like policy issues or something relevant?

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ya know, maybe like policy issues or something relevant? [/url]

 

Something relevant??

 

I am sorry. The move towards socialism is relevant and quite frankly the most important issue this country has faced since WWII.

 

That is as fundamental as it gets.

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1. we already accept some forms of socialism.

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That's a feeble rationalization. Iran already has some forms of democracy.. you know, they had a vote...

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2. obama shares some ideals of that line of thinking. you insult real socialists by claiming he is one.

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I think we'll find he shares more than "some". His favorite profs in college were socialists.

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3. beats letting CEOs run rampant over our economy.

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beats genocide and going down with the Titanic, too. But still wrong in the hearts of men who want

to be free to run their own lives.

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4. nice balance to the fringe right-winged god machine.

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Evil is a nice balance to good? baloney.

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now can we move on to something....ya know, maybe like policy issues or something relevant?

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Later, let us know if you still feel Obama's socialist moves to totally change our country are good.

 

(Hint: you will outraged, and on our side.)

 

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The move towards socialism is relevant and quite frankly the most important issue this country has faced since WWII.

 

Forget 9/11, Vietnam, Cuban Missile Crisis, MLK...this overblown exaggeration by the sacred Paliniyes trumps them all.

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beats genocide and going down with the Titanic, too. But still wrong in the hearts of men who want

to be free to run their own lives.

funny you should go there.

 

this also applies to a constitutional amendment granting the FED power over my girlfriends body to make sure she has that baby.

 

 

get ahold of yourself. gov't control is fine so long as you agree with the outcome. the mere fact you call obama a socialist really lends well to the claim you dont know what socialism is.

 

 

 

you ever get unemployment compensation, cal?

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funny you should go there.

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Actually, it is very concerning.

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this also applies to a constitutional amendment granting the FED power over my girlfriends body to make sure she has that baby.

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abortion isn't funny. The child has a right to be born. The child has a body, and has rights.

 

Liberals deny rights to others, like unborn and born children, for their convenience. They do the same to other

 

citizens, best example is Nancy Pelosi/Obama.

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get ahold of yourself. gov't control is fine so long as you agree with the outcome.

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Gov control is fine, as long as it is protecting our freedoms, and doesn't screw around with

 

our Constitution.

 

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the mere fact you call obama a socialist really lends well to the claim you dont know what socialism is.

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Yes, you are quibbling again about what the definition of "is" is. How quaint.

 

The degree of fed control, as Obama et all are working on it, well qualifies as socialism.

 

Socialism is called the bridge between capitalism and communism.

 

The communist party strongly supported Obama in the election. It also strongly supports Sotomayor. Fancy that.

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you ever get unemployment compensation, cal?

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Yep. That was paid for by the PRIVATE company, and was EARNED BY MY YEARS OF HARD, SUCCESSFUL WORK.

 

No gov stimulus nothin. Socialism isn't one person. It's a form of government, control all that all have, for the "good"

 

of nobody, for all.

 

 

 

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First of all what Obama and the democrats are really doing is Building up a state of fascism, with the take over of banks insurance companies and auto manufacturing.

 

If American businesses are supposed to be operating in a free enterprise system then where is there going to be competition? The Federal government will end up squashing out those who they dont control. Will the federally ran GM back waranties?

 

What if? the New USMotors/GM produces a car and they continue to catch on fire and in the end there are people who die from it, will the Federally ran/owned AIG Insurance company reimburse the surviving family members?

 

I doubt it.

 

You cry that we need National Health Care Insurance program, I hope they dont run it like the State of Ohio runs workmans comp. He was injured on the job and has had 5 or more different surgeons tell him it would require surgery to correct.

 

In order to get it approved he had to get checked out by a doctor of Ohio workmans comps choosing, who on 5 different times the claim was refused or denied.

 

And as of today, No surgery, and still not able to sleep more than a few hours at a time, and having to live off of pain killers.

 

Is this what you want? Well that is what we are going to get.

 

Just remember how Amtrak has been bailed out several times over and over, and they still cant get it right even with laws created that nobody can compete against them. They still loose money everyday.

 

Everyone of us taxpaying Americans are being played as Suckers on these Bailouts.

 

After saying all of that And you still want to cry butt butt buutttt Obama is smart and is building change in America, you need to watch how and what he is changing, by far this is not going to be the same country in 2 years under Obama's policies of change. We will be moved into a Socialist State as soon as we get through the Obama fascist movement.

 

So all of you liberals dont need to go spitting while facing the wind.

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Sev, I've posted this before:

 

it's true that's what Marx said, his philosophy is stated as such:

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http://lilt.ilstu.edu/rrpope/rrpopepwd/art.../communism.html

 

Karl Marx and Marxism:

 

Karl Marx became the prophet and teacher of socialism whose writings transformed socialist thinking all over the world. Marx was a philosopher and an idealist who studied history and was greatly influenced by the writings of Georg Hegel, the famous German philosopher. In 1848 Karl Marx published, with the help of his long-time friend and collaborator Friedrich Engels, "Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei," more commonly known as "The Communist Manifesto". The Communist Manifesto was a summary of his entire social and political philosophy. The publication of this book occurred at a most propitious time. The book appeared on the eve of the 1848 revolution in France and less than one year before an attempted revolution in Germany. After the failure of the 1848 revolution in Germany he was expelled from his country of origin and moved to London. He later published "das Kapital" or Capital, an analysis of the economics of capitalism. Marxism, a doctrine developed by Marx and to a lesser extent by Engels, consists fundamentally of two interrelated ideas: a philosophical view of man and a theory of history.

 

Marx believed that man should labor not only for himself as an individual but for society as well. Implied in Marxist philosophy is the notion that man, being a social animal, has his destiny indeed his reality inextricably linked with his society. Hegel's idea of human history evolving in a dialectical process of thesis, antithesis leading to synthesis was taken up by Marx and applied to social and economic policy. In a capitalist society the proletariat invests its labor so that the bourgeoisie (or upper-class) can make all the profits without investing any labor themselves. The disconnection of a worker from the end product of his labor leads Marx to his theory of alienation. Workers are alienated from the product they manufacture, having no control over what becomes of it. Finally workers are alienated from other human beings, with competition replacing co-operation. Marx's theory of history is an account of the different stages of government through history. His analysis describes capitalism as the first stage followed by socialism and finally communism. Marx believed that socialism is an unrealized potential in capitalism and once most workers recognized their interests and became "class conscious," the overthrow of capitalism would proceed as quickly as capitalist opposition allowed. The socialist society that would emerge out of the revolution would have all the productive potential of capitalism. People would be aided on the basis of social needs. The final goal, communism, toward which socialist society would constantly strive, is the abolition of alienation. A class-less society would be advantageous for the vast majority of the population.

 

As the complexity of the social structure increases, more and more revisions were made to Marx's original doctrine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And Obama, and other leftists, obviously and historically ardent students of Marxism, and Alinski's teachings,

 

are doing it now. Changing our country into a Marxist country, Think Chavez in Argentina.

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Don't miss this part from my previous post above:

 

"The final goal, communism, toward which socialist society would constantly strive, is the abolition of alienation. A class-less society would be advantageous for the vast majority of the population. "

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Seriously, folks.

 

We, our freedoms, and our country, is in big, big trouble.

 

We're headed for a monumental disaster.

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Seriously, folks.

 

We, our freedoms, and our country, is in big, big trouble.

 

We're headed for a monumental disaster.

 

 

As long as people believe they will be taken care of from the cradle to the grave they will continue to sleep on this issue. (Lazy Americans)

 

Presently the new sugar coated carrot dangling in front of america is Free!!! Health Care!!!

 

I like this rant from "Tucker"

 

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Seriously, folks.

 

We, our freedoms, and our country, is in big, big trouble.

 

We're headed for a monumental disaster.

 

Shit, you've convinced me.

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I have had this debate before with Cal and his merry band of right wing compatriots. When less than 2% of all free enterprise business is run by the Government and nothing else really looming on the horizon they dont have any legs to stand on.

 

Most of the wack jobs on the far right think that Communism is the only form of socialism and dont realize that really almost 99% of all governmental systems practice some form of limited socialist type programs.

 

IndyMac Bank is already back into Private ownership...... 10 major banks have already paid back money into the Tarp funds...... The stock Market and Banking have at least survived and stabilized..... The economy is showing signs of recovery.....

 

Seriously get over your odd hatred of Obama and the Democratic party.... 3 tax cuts in the face of two wars and nation building THE LARGEST cost increase to government spending in the form of Medicare entitlements that by itself can bankrupt our government in under 15 years...... You dont have ANY political capital.

 

While your ranting and raving tell your ultra christian holier than thou Senators and Governors to quit being hypocritical to their own words of condemnation and faiths.... It sure seems like the ultra right wing are usually the closet homosexuals.... ahem another senator...

 

Get your own house in order and deal with the facts of what our system is doing right now.

 

Seriously socialism the monster under the right wing bed or closet... lmao..... you need to be worried about becoming politically irrelevant.

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I have had this debate before with Cal and his merry band of right wing compatriots. When less than 2% of all free enterprise business is run by the Government and nothing else really looming on the horizon they dont have any legs to stand on.

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Nothing else? Libs are always in denial. Makes it hard to have a serious conversation at any depth whatsoever.

 

1. The moves by Obama set a dangerous precedent to America.

 

2. More is on the way, will be on the way, because they obviously think what they did was a good idea.

 

3. Unemployment is going up and up. More problems are upcoming with cap and trade, then the you know what

 

will really hit the fan.

 

..then the Obama regime will do more of what they've done. And all heyl will occur.

 

Be patient, we'll ask you later if you are still in denial.

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Most of the wack jobs on the far right think that Communism is the only form of socialism and dont realize that really almost 99% of all governmental systems practice some form of limited socialist type programs.

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We are talking about government INTRUSION into private capitalist enterprises.

 

Sev, are you really wantingto say that almost 99% of all government systems take over auto companies, etc,

and fire the top gun of the company? Really?

 

That's 99% BALONEY. Federal programs are not socialist. Federal control dominating the economy and private ownership

of American enterprise is socialist.

 

Nobody is saying that communism is the only form of socialism around here. If you disagree, prove it or stop it.

 

I have proven that socialism is the bridge between capitalism and communism. You challenged that, now you

 

are changing the subject.

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IndyMac Bank is already back into Private ownership...... 10 major banks have already paid back money into the Tarp funds...... The stock Market and Banking have at least survived and stabilized..... The economy is showing signs of recovery.....

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Obama was refusing to allow the tarp funds to be paid back. Want me to show the articles here? Then the

POLLS spoke, and Obama flippityfloppitied back and let em pay it back. So, tell me, did Obama put the

head guy back in his job with GM?

 

Did he UNFIRE the insespector general he fired to stop his investigations?

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Seriously get over your odd hatred of Obama and the Democratic party.... 3 tax cuts in the face of two wars and nation building THE LARGEST cost increase to government spending in the form of Medicare entitlements that by itself can bankrupt our government in under 15 years...... You dont have ANY political capital.

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I don't hate Obama, I hate his socialist destruction of our country's foundations. Our debt was well affordable and manageable.

 

It is NOT NOW. And Obama is created our debt in asinine ways, that affects our ability to ever, ever pay it off,

and his expenditures were not in our interests, it was in his political, philosophical radical interests.

 

But, Obama does really SUCK. He is absolutely the most unqualified to be president in our entire American history.

 

This can't even be denied at this point.

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While your ranting and raving tell your ultra christian holier than thou Senators and Governors to quit being hypocritical to their own words of condemnation and faiths.... It sure seems like the ultra right wing are usually the closet homosexuals.... ahem another senator...

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I don't have to tell them anything. Corrupt Dems don't care, and Reps won't listen. But your generalization is

 

very simple-minded - the top Rep party rep in S. Carolina has insisted the idiot gov. step down.

 

Tell me Sev - when was the last time a top Dem in a state, or nationally - insisted a corrupt Dem step down?

 

The ultra right wing what? closet what? weird. Talk about hateful.....

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Get your own house in order and deal with the facts of what our system is doing right now.

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We will, and we are. Republicans can't stop what the Dems are doing, and the Dems are screwing

 

up our entire country. Whatsamatta, Sev? You all bitterly criticized the past eight years for anything

 

and everything. Now, you won't criticize anything for nothing.

 

You all whined, you elected liberal morons who don't have a clue, are making a mockery of

 

trying to fix problems without causing greater, more serious problems, and your Democratic party

 

is exploding with infighting, backtracking, and corruption. But Obama and his ilk are doing the typical

 

radical crap. Throwing mud and babbling incoherently at a wall, then trying to clamp down on criticism,

 

closing ranks, and funding a corrupt political machine that corrupted the election.

 

Gee, Sev, sound like Venzuela to you? It should.

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Seriously socialism the monster under the right wing bed or closet... lmao..... you need to be worried about becoming politically irrelevant.

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Devasting our capistist system is the monster under all our beds, but we're the only ones who know it.

 

Your dishonesty and lack of objective criticism is reflected in the Dem congressman that will sign the cap and trade bill,

 

WITHOUT READING IT. Sev - does voting for bills WITHOUT READING THEM sound smart to you?

 

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"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under

the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist

program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without

knowing how it happened."

 

Norman Thomas

(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America[/size]

 

1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign

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It isn't just me, mz the pussy. More and more folks are really becoming very, very uneasing at Obama's actions.

 

It isn't just on this board.

 

Maybe you just have to be a little bit older or something, or a good student of history, with the honesty

 

to apply it objectively to today.

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Do you not see how totally pompous and demeaning the "head in the sand" argument is here, cal? Those of us who don't share your fear and paranoia are too young, too ignorant or too subjective to "get it?" Give us some credit, that's a terrible argument.

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mz the pussy, seriously, it is not.

 

and, some here had the same exact sentiments about me arguing that man-made global warming was

 

bogus, and more and more folks would start to realize it when the truth actually comes out, and the

 

lib politics subsides.

 

See my latest post about gw. Same here,,,

 

Obama's background as a radical socialist is manifesting itself in his actions as a relevant subject.

 

But, disagree with me (us) now, but later, don't say "well, all this bad socialist stuff wouldn't have happened,

 

but,,, uh... you conservatives made it happen because... well.... uh...er...."

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mz the pussy, seriously, it is not.

 

Yes, cal, it is.

 

Here's a deal for you: you can tell me "I told you so!" when we're waiting in a bread line together, OK?

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Yes, cal, it is.

 

Here's a deal for you: you can tell me "I told you so!" when we're waiting in a bread line together, OK?

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That's very brilliantly diabolical. I will never be in a bread line. We can make our own bread, our own

 

corn bread, grow our own dried beans, green beans, we have 600 tomato plants (really), and some hundreds of

 

peppers, and a whole bunch of burpless and pickling cucumbers and collards and sweet corn and apples,

 

pototoes and onions and collards, lettuce, spinach, squash.

 

How about when you are in a bread line, and I send you a bunch of stuff from the garden,

 

and some frozen groundhog meat? Hey, it might be the best "chicken" you ever ate...

 

Just wait til we put in our scenic fishing pond.

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