Finland's Entire Government Resigns

[htownbrown]

They weren't able to reach a healthcare reform, so they just packed it up.  51.6% income tax and 24% sales tax, but still can't afford social medicine on a small population.  Hmmmm?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/europe/finland-government-resigns.amp.html

[Canton Dawg]

6 hours ago, htownbrown said:

They weren't able to reach a healthcare reform, so they just packed it up.  51.6% income tax and 24% sales tax, but still can't afford social medicine on a small population.  Hmmmm?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/europe/finland-government-resigns.amp.html

The left should be taking notes.

[Westside Steve]

It's a vicious circle and we would do well to take note. Sure we have problems here in America but when you try to solve them through socialism it tends to spiral out of control.

WSS

[Gorka]

Socialism doesn't generate money, it spends money generated by capitalism.

[MLD Woody]

The center right prime Minister and his cabinet wanted to reduce health care costs. But the aging population made that basically impossible. So now they're resigning to let someone else figure it out. 

At least that's what I'm getting from a few articles

Probably not as great of some fail as some on here think. We'll see what happens.

[Westside Steve]

It's true that an aging population will not only be less productive but more in need of very expensive Health Services provided by highly trained and highly educated professionals. Also Woody I'm assuming you mean center right relative to European politics. But no matter what the new government calls itself I don't think they can get money out of thin air.

WSS

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Finish people rarely smile.  Living that far north fucks you up.

[calfoxwc]

Socialism does NOT generate wealth, it's true.

and it fails when the money runs out, which it always does.

Just....doesn't......work long term.

We can't afford obamaocare type medicine, it's even worse

when they try to give it to illegals that come from all over for the free ride.

[TexasAg1969]

23 hours ago, Gorka said:

Socialism doesn't generate money, it spends money generated by capitalism.

Socialism spends too much money we don't have. Trump spends $2Tril we don't have. Therefore Trump is a socialist.😂

[BaconHound]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Socialism spends too much money we don't have. Trump spends $2Tril we don't have. Therefore Trump is a socialist.😂

No deficit spending is ok if the president approving it is on the same political plane as you or if you agree with how the money is being spent.

[TexasAg1969]

26 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

No deficit spending is ok if the president approving it is on the same political plane as you or if you agree with how the money is being spent.

My Mom had an accounting degree and was very frugal with funds. Outgo never exceeded inflow in our family. The apple does not fall far from the tree. I don't like deficit spending from any party in power. One thing I like about Texas is that by  law the state budget must be balanced. And right now we have a surplus which is just fine with me because it is there for the rainy days.

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, BaconHound said:

No deficit spending is ok if the president approving it is on the same political plane as you or if you agree with how the money is being spent.

I would guess that it depends on the situation and that if anybody could agree that deficit spending could be considered an investment likely  to show a returned.

For example I think infrastructure might possibly be one.

WSS

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

I would guess that it depends on the situation and that if anybody could agree that deficit spending could be considered an investment likely  to show a returned.

For example I think infrastructure might possibly be one.

WSS

And  that was not addressed by the Trumpcut. Nor really the everyday taxpayer. From conservative publication Newsmax, the true benefit was mostly for the super-rich. Damn socialists for themselves only with their permanent tax breaks while our meager ones are only temporary.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/bill-gross-trump-tax-cuts/2019/03/08/id/906105/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM18901_03102019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502n4qm7k

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, TexasAg1969 said:

And  that was not addressed by the Trumpcut. Nor really the everyday taxpayer. From conservative publication Newsmax, the true benefit was mostly for the super-rich. Damn socialists for themselves only with their permanent tax breaks while our meager ones are only temporary.

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/bill-gross-trump-tax-cuts/2019/03/08/id/906105/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM18901_03102019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502n4qm7k

 sorry Bernie. Even if I ever did believe your desire to go back to the Republicans of old I don't think they've been hardcore class Warfare guys ever. But even a Hillary supporter should be able to see how I was talking with BaconHound about the generalities of deficit spending.

WSS

[TexasAg1969]

11 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

 sorry Bernie.

WSS

I think you got the name confused. It's Ben as in Ben Sasse, Rep-Iowa. I  really like that guy. Not as much as I did McCain, but he'd get my vote too if he is on the Republican primary here.

[calfoxwc]

for Texsag - who blabbers with distorted meanings of words. Intentional or unintentional, I think the latter. It's too consistent.

socialism

[soh-shuh-liz-uh m]

noun

a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

 

[Gorka]

10 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Socialism spends too much money we don't have. Trump spends $2Tril we don't have. Therefore Trump is a socialist.😂

That's not true but I'll let you off the hook because I know you're only kidding.

[TexasAg1969]

1 hour ago, Gorka said:

That's not true but I'll let you off the hook because I know you're only kidding.

It's the logic of the illogical. 🤩

[Gorka]

10 hours ago, BaconHound said:

No deficit spending is ok if the president approving it is on the same political plane as you or if you agree with how the money is being spent.

If to establish that deficit spending is OK then it at least must be within the scope delegated by the Constitution. Spending powers granted to Congress are for the "general welfare", meaning for the benefit of all Americans as a whole...not special interests.

 I'm not familiar where Trump is spending, but if it is for the military or the wall then hes doing it within the powers granted.

GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."

Two words in the clause hold the key. General and common. The phrase simply means that any tax collected must be collected to the benefit of the United States as a whole, not for partial or sectional (i.e. special) interests. The federal government may promote the general welfare, or common good, but it must do so within the scope of the powers delegated and without favoritism.

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/08/28/the-general-welfare-clause-is-not-about-writing-checks/