This is What the NFL should look like

[The Gipper]

Here is what the NFL should look like, if the owners had not played their blackmail games with cities:

NFC East:

NY Giants,   Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, St. Louis Cardinals

NFC North:

Detroit Lions, Chicago Bears, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings

NFC South:

Atlanta Falcons, New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Bucs, Carolina Panthers

NFC West:

Los Angeles Rams (no moving back and forth), San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks, Dallas Cowboys

AFC East:

New England Patriots,  NY Jets, Buffalo Bills, Baltimore Colts

AFC North:

Pittsburgh Steelers,  Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals  (and an expansion team in either  Indy, or Nashville..the other one is out)

AFC South

Miami Dolphins, Jacksonville Jaguars??, Houston Oilers,   Arizona ???? expansion team

AFC West

Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs,  San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders

These contemplate that none of the franchise moves from the time of the 1970 merger would have happened. There could, perhaps be some other permutations. I did what I could.  I I did include the post merger expansion teams in Carolina, Jacksonville, Tampa, and Seattle.  And I include a non-existent Arizona team and either an Indy or Tenn. expansion team (but not both)  No Texans or Ravens, as they would be unnecessary.

 Feel free to play with it.

[The Gipper]

Baltimore fits naturally with the AFC East.  Even now, the Ravens should be in the East, and the Dolphins in the South...where they belong.

The hard ones to place were the Cardinals and the Arizona team.

I guess the Cowboys and the Cardinals could be interchanged above, which would give us what we have now.  That would not be so bad, I guess.  I just never like the Cowboys being in the "East".  (Maybe Carolina could be put in the East, and the Cowboys in the south?)

Putting the Arizona team in the AFC South was just the last option.   The AFC South is just a mish mosh now anyway. The only issue would be requiring a Pacific Coast time team to play twice a year in Eastern time vs. the two Florida teams.

Putting a team in either Indy  in the AFC North would make some sense. Maybe putting a Nashville team here, not so much. But fuck Nashville...its just a bunch of goat fuckers that are there anyway.  (I can say that now that Flugel has moved out)   But the NFL loves them some goat fuckers...so much that they have put the draft there.

[The Gipper]

As another aside, if in fact the NFL ever thought about another round of expansion, here are the largest DMAs (Designated Market areas)...which are the real thing that counts)...for the cities that do not have NFL teams.   For any town seeking a team they would have to be high on this list. (Red= NFL cities....Bold= AAF cities with no NFL team)

Rank	Designated Market Area (DMA)	TV Homes	% of US
Rank Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Homes % of US 1 New York 7,348,620 6.407 2 Los Angeles 5,476,830 4.775 3 Chicago 3,463,060 3.019 4 Philadelphia 2,942,800 2.566 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,713,380 2.366 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,488,090 2.169 7 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,476,680 2.159 8 Houston 2,450,800 2.137 9 Boston (Manchester) 2,424,240 2.114 10 Atlanta 2,412,730 2.104 11 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,908,590 1.664 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,890,100 1.648 13 Detroit 1,853,030 1.616 14 Seattle-Tacoma 1,808,530 1.577 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,742,530 1.519 16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,696,330 1.479 17 Denver 1,630,380 1.422 18 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,519,570 1.325 19 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,498,960 1.307 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,379,770 1.203 21 St. Louis 1,215,570 1.06 22 Charlotte 1,189,950 1.038 23 Pittsburgh 1,160,220 1.012 24 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,153,580 1.006 25 Portland, OR 1,143,670 0.997 26 Baltimore 1,119,480 0.976 27 Indianapolis 1,086,310 0.947 28 San Diego 1,065,700 0.929 29 Nashville 1,011,570 0.882 30 Hartford & New Haven 963,950 0.84 31 San Antonio 938,660 0.818 32 Columbus, OH 920,740 0.803 33 Kansas City 919,020 0.801 34 Salt Lake City 916,960 0.799 35 Milwaukee 895,700 0.781 36 Cincinnati 863,800 0.753 37 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 845,990 0.738 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 824,920 0.719 39 Austin 771,210 0.672 40 Las Vegas 757,840 0.661 41 Oklahoma City 722,140 0.63 42 Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws 717,170 0.625 43 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 715,110 0.624 44 Grand Rapids-Kalmzoo-B.Crk 709,670 0.619 45 Birmingham (Ann and Tusc) 696,380 0.607 46 Greensboro-H.Point-W.Salem 690,050 0.602 47 Jacksonville 688,500 0.6 48 Albuquerque-Santa Fe 677,590 0.591 49 Louisville 662,170 0.577 50 New Orleans 641,620 0.559 51 Memphis 633,930 0.553 52 Providence-New Bedford 616,280 0.537 53 Buffalo 596,710 0.52 54 Fresno-Visalia 573,180 0.5 55 Richmond-Petersburg 564,510 0.492 56 Wilkes Barre-Scranton-Hztn 554,660 0.484 57 Little Rock-Pine Bluff 547,950 0.478 58 Tulsa 531,230 0.463 59 Albany-Schenectady-Troy 529,120 0.461 60 Mobile-Pensacola (Ft Walt) 528,320 0.461 61 Ft. Myers-Naples 518,730 0.452 62 Knoxville 514,610 0.449 63 Lexington 479,420 0.418 64 Dayton 466,040 0.406 65 Honolulu 442,820 0.386 66 Wichita-Hutchinson Plus 439,760 0.383 67 Roanoke-Lynchburg 439,620 0.383 68 Green Bay-Appleton 438,070 0.382 69 Des Moines-Ames 433,950 0.378 70 Charleston-Huntington 431,150 0.376 71 Tucson (Sierra Vista) 425,860 0.371 72 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City 423,010 0.369 73 Spokane 422,550 0.368 74 Omaha 416,210 0.363 75 Springfield, MO 409,020 0.357 76 Rochester, NY 404,170 0.352 77 Columbia, SC 400,790 0.349 78 Toledo 400,170 0.349 79 Huntsville-Decatur (Flor) 385,470 0.336 80 Madison 384,830 0.336 81 Portland-Auburn 383,700 0.335 82 Shreveport 371,760 0.324 83 Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg 369,390 0.322 84 Harlingen-Wslco-Brnsvl-McA 368,960 0.322 85 Syracuse 368,950 0.322 86 Champaign&Sprngfld-Decatur 364,050 0.317 87 Waco-Temple-Bryan 357,720 0.312 88 Colorado Springs-Pueblo 354,190 0.309 89 Chattanooga 351,220 0.306 90 Cedar Rapids-Wtrlo-IWC&Dub 343,000 0.299 91 Savannah 340,050 0.296 92 El Paso (Las Cruces) 333,270 0.291 93 Baton Rouge 330,910 0.289 94 Charleston, SC 327,040 0.285 95 Jackson, MS 321,830 0.281 96 South Bend-Elkhart 313,210 0.273 97 Burlington-Plattsburgh 307,470 0.268 98 Tri-Cities, TN-VA 306,770 0.267 99 Ft. Smith-Fay-Sprngdl-Rgrs 304,670 0.266 100 Greenville-N.Bern-Washngtn 301,990

 

[Gunz41]

Whether it is MLB, NBA, or NFL, I think that each state should be considered for a pro team. There is a reason why a guy like me has teams in different states for different sports, i.e. like Browns and dislike Cavs. There is no team in VA, as D.C. is separate 

A few are kinda taken care of like "New England" and Carolina but some are puzzling. 

 

[hoorta]

Gip- 

RE: Orlando for potential NFL expansion- no way Jose. There's already 3 teams in Florida. Tampa is only 85 miles away. 

32 teams is a nice even number. Add another team to each division? There goes the owners extortion racket. MHO expansion is done for the foreseeable future. Putting a team in London is a travel nightmare. 

[Orion]

There is a huge difference of TV households between LA and Green Bay or New Orleans.  But in relation to football that difference means squat.  The people of LA just seem to have other interests.  

[The Gipper]

10 hours ago, hoorta said:

Gip- 

RE: Orlando for potential NFL expansion- no way Jose. There's already 3 teams in Florida. Tampa is only 85 miles away. 

32 teams is a nice even number. Add another team to each division? There goes the owners extortion racket. MHO expansion is done for the foreseeable future. Putting a team in London is a travel nightmare. 

I basically agree with everything you say.  I simply noted that Orlando is  considered the largest market without an NFL team....(but yea...they are only like 85 miles from Tampa.  And 32 is a perfect sort of number (to make things "even" they really would have to go to 36).....and yes, great point about the NFL wanting to continue with the extortion racket. While them may not use Orlando, they still may want to use the likes of Portland, San Antonio, Sacramento...now that the Raiders are leaving the East Bay, even St. Louis. (but now...yes they may start using London for the same purpose)

[The Gipper]

10 hours ago, Orion said:

There is a huge difference of TV households between LA and Green Bay or New Orleans.  But in relation to football that difference means squat.  The people of LA just seem to have other interests.  

Well....that difference just got them two teams to move there.

[Orion]

9 hours ago, The Gipper said:

Well....that difference just got them two teams to move there.

Yup.  The NFL will be damned if they're not gonna turn the sushi crowd into die-hard football fans.