Franken

[Guest mz.]

Sweet bowling analogy.

 

The US Constitution is not my arbiter of all things dealing with humanity AS WRITTEN. It is a living, breathing document that our forefathers wrote "amendment" "loopholes" into in order to effectively deal with an advancing society. You can actively hide behind whatever you want to hide behind, so long as it suits your needs of course, and can feel let off the hook as long as a current "law" is bigoted. You can live in 1776 (or 1 AD) if you prefer, but many of us don't feel much of that antiquated shit pertains to modern society and its members.

 

Times change, and here's an example:

 

The three-fifths compromise is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

 

You can continue to treat others as you wouldn't want to be treated as long as it is written somewhere, but the rest of us who really do believe in equality and personal freedoms will continue to read through your self-righteous bullshit.

 

Don't tread on them, cal. It's not becoming...

[calfoxwc]

I never treaded, but you dreaded.

 

I'm patriotic, you're bull-headed.

 

I'm right, your rationalization is shredded.

 

Marriage is a legal union of a MAN and a WOMAN, not Barney Fwank and whoever he bedded.

 

New Age bs a hippo's rear end. That's a union Barney Fwank surely regretted.

 

But seriously, "Living and Breathing" means it can be screwed with to deny the "other people" their

 

long-standing legal and GOD-GIVEN rights.

 

Liberals always want to make up new rights, that change the rights of others to fit the liberals' warped utopia.

[Westside Steve]

Steve are you and Cal really that slow?

you two and the others all talk about this "defecit" spending and how evil Obama and the left are...... Really. or maybe its the socialism monster.... lmao.\

 

As opposed to the socialism panacea?

 

 

So let me get this straight....

 

LOWER GDP due to MASSIVE RECESSION you know meaning lower gross taxable income.......

TWO military occupations....... yea I am sure that 1 trillion dollar spending has nothing to do with the defecit....

 

 

So you prefer a nuclear Saddam trading oil in Euros.

Got it.

Oh and it seems we’re following the Bush plan on one war and escalating the other. Good. That one looks like a winner.

 

THREE tax cuts........... AGAIN LOWERING gross taxable income..... sure that does not reflect on a balance sheet.... Yes I am sure you know the saturation of money in the top 10% control 90% of entire capital so those three tax cuts must not effect our gross taxable income.... lol

 

And your boy didn’t end them immediately because of the hit the economy takes from high taxes. Understood.

 

Medicare entitlements EXPANDED meaning O I dont know EXPANDED government spending for well eternity.....

 

So ramp it up and put everybody on medicare right? Wow, I guess ya don’t know.

 

 

sure that must not count

Massive business/industry collapsing due to deregulation from Banking/Insurance/Energy/Manufacturing.... I am sure that has nothing to do with lowering gross taxable income

 

Thank Barney Frank and the Democ rats.

 

Our economic system which is based on well Credit and FAITH on future growth on the Market which is conversly based on well Lending collapsing does not effect the income vs cost of our balance sheet

NO I am sure Borrowing so much money from China to fund our system and wars had nothing to do with the balance sheet, sure that money is interest free and let me guess you people think OBAMA and the left started that....

 

No. They’re expanding it .

 

Wait the same enron energy loophole that the Oil industry uses to artificially spike costs has NOTHING to do with our GDP.... No oil must not be the lifeblood of our entire way of life and economics..

 

Hey professor it’s the bedrock of our currency. Not wind.

 

 

Sure those factors must not effect this "defecit" political pr attack platform..... So IF revenue is cut MASSIVELY due to those factors this defecit balance going forward does not reflect what Bush and the supposably fiscally conservative republicans did..... Sure....

 

Again Bush didn’t run in 08 and the empty suit is quadrupling the things you whine about.

 

Yes this EMERGENCY investment into our own system to prop ourselves up was not needed....... sure.... Wait a public healthcare option which is nonprofit will not drive costs down due to a more competitive model... Sure Obama is evil because unlike the rest of you evidently who have not looked at the projections of our EXISTING legacy healthcare entitlements from medicare/medicaid OVERTAKING OUR ENTIRE GROSS TAXABLE INCOME..... sure this "defecit" spending to reign in drug/healthcare services/management costs in the future... which is BASED on a for profit everything model is working... OK

 

Or it made things worse in the long term.

And it doesn’t look like it’s working even now.

 

So I am not a fiscal conservative because I did not vote for Bush jr or Mccain........ OK Because Bush Jr. and his type of republicans were SO fiscally conservative....

Mccain.... appointed Palin.... another mentally challenged individual like Bush jr.

 

Again, genius, Bush didn’t run in 08.

And Sarah Palin is your target? Biden and Pelosi ring a bell?

 

I see... Yes I must be a left liberal because of my stance on healthcare... No I must not be a fiscal conservative because I must ignore the current medical system bankrupting us thru legacy entitlement spending from Medicaid/medicare... Sure because fiscal conservatives like the idea of over spending and bankruptcy.

 

Sounds like the Obama plan doesn’t it?

And you’re a “liberal” (or just a stooge) since personal resposibility isn’t in the plan NOR torte reform.

 

(plus can you imagine the outrage had Bush veto'd the Medicare expasion???)

 

 

I am sure My social positions because I believe in a secular government must make me a left wing liberal... Yes I see now.

 

Good. What else would it mean? And you want your morality forced on the rest of us. So what?

 

Sure Mccain/Palin or Obama/Biden... those were the only choices and I must be a leftwing liberal because I chose not to put our economic policy shift and international policy in a stubborn/Prideful Mccain who is quite frankly combative and a mentally challenged Palin....

 

No. You put it in the hands of an empty suit and the mentally challenged Biden and Pelosi.

 

I see I chose the more intellectual/diplomatic duo so I must be a liberal. I had SO many other realistic options.... Had Colin Powell ran he would of had my vote As long as he did not pair with some oddball like Palin... Sure I am liberal Steve...

 

The guy that covered up all the terrible Bush Cheney lies and torture OR was on board until it wasn't politically expedient? That guy?

And what in hell leads you to think that Obammy is any more intelligent than Dick Cheney or anyone else? He’s cute and gives you a boner when he reads the prompter? Is there anything that suggests he has a handle on anything economic? What? His forte is community organizing not economics.

 

So rail on about the socialism monster (regardless of the fact that less than 2% of all industry is under Federal purview)

 

Or that a tiny fraction of Americans support the rest and the gap is widening.

 

or the "defecit" spending because those above mentioned factors that all happened before Obama got the job and your "analysis" of my posts which I guess excludes me from being a financial conservative.... or moderate.... lmao

 

Let me guess... because I am a envirementalist that must make me a liberal to.... lol

 

No. The plan to tax the shit out of us for a scheme that won’t change jack shit makes you one. Or just a fool.

 

or wait maybe you should "educate" me on the North korean problem again because of your "understanding" and experience....

 

laugh.gif

 

Yeah Sev. I don’t care if you’re Kim Jong Il’s nephew.

If you want me to believe that the POTUS, defense dept and FP of the USA isn’t a big factor in that situation you’re an idiot.

 

Yes I loved being taxed coming and going... sure..... I love capital gains.... I love paying escalating health insurance costs for all of my employees in every business I have... yes I love that.... I love paying workmans comp rates..... I like having to deal with bureacratic government oversight......

 

Lets hope so. You got it.

 

Yes I love watching our matching contributions we put into our employees 401k plans get reduced to nothing because of a corrupt deregulation nightmare on wall street.... Yes I like that.

 

Good, because you bought a lot more of it by throwing money at those same guys.

And I'm sure the regualtions (whatever they may be) will meke things boom.

 

Sure I like having to divert rescources into dealing with shopping healthcare every year away from business critical functions.... I like the thousands of dollars I spend a month to pay for healthcare for employees and than watch the services diminish or our overall rates go up because god forbid one of the older employees actually have to use the healthcare... Yes I love fighting healthcare providers for our employees who get denied certain coverages because of pre existing conditions... Sure that makes our companies profit..

 

You don’t deserve profit. That’s the peoples money.

But hey Sev my prediction stands.

Healthcare was a campaign issue. Nothing more.

 

I like escalating procurement costs across the board go up because of artificial manipulation of oil and energy..... Yes that makes me more money....

 

Hope you like escalating legal costs too.

 

Funny if I had those same resources I could HIRE more people and expand.... Wait maybe because I think political platforms should be well about REAL policy like economics or foreign policy which well is about economics again instead of religous driven drivel about gay marriage that must make me a liberal because I want government to work on REAL work not estoric mythology of who is right or wrong...

 

You lefties made gay marriage an issue.

Gay marriage hasn ‘t been a right as long as the country’s been here.

 

Yes you got me pegged STeve... well done, maybe you should get a new day job because whew you skills of analyzing my political/economic/social leanings are spot on.

 

Glad you see the light.

 

BTW who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

WSS

[Guest mz.]

I never treaded, but you dreaded.

 

I'm patriotic, you're bull-headed.

 

I'm right, your rationalization is shredded.

 

Marriage is a legal union of a MAN and a WOMAN, not Barney Fwank and whoever he bedded.

 

New Age bs a hippo's rear end. That's a union Barney Fwank surely regretted.

 

But seriously, "Living and Breathing" means it can be screwed with to deny the "other people" their

 

long-standing legal and GOD-GIVEN rights.

 

Liberals always want to make up new rights, that change the rights of others to fit the liberals' warped utopia.

 

What's the point, cal. You're the old man who inspires fear in fellow party-goers when they see you saunter up in your overalls, ready to tell the same tired old Barney Frank is a fag joke you've been telling them for the past 7 years.

 

But you believe in equality instead of some antiquated Biblical notion.

 

Keep thinking that.

 

[Guest mz.]

Oh and making fun of a guy because he's gay and has a speech impediment is very becoming. Next time I use the word 'Retard' try to not get too hypocritically offended, ok?

[calfoxwc]

Oh and making fun of a guy because he's gay and has a speech impediment is very becoming. Next time I use the word 'Retard' try to not get too hypocritically offended, ok?

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His gayness is repulsive, in public, and you're right, I shouldn't make fun of that. But he's a public figure,

 

 

and I didn't say he was not intelligent. I was just mimicking his verbage in his own way that identifies him.

 

There is no slur about referring to an entire class of people in derogatory fashion.

 

 

 

[calfoxwc]

What's the point, cal. You're the old man who inspires fear in fellow party-goers when they see you saunter up in your overalls, ready to tell the same tired old Barney Frank is a fag joke you've been telling them for the past 7 years.

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The point is, you said I TREADED. I never treaded. Go look up "treaded".

 

And his being openly gay and flaunting it and being a corrupt somebeech is no laughing matter.

 

1. I am not old. I am older. Repect your elders, they have experienced a lot about life.

 

2. I don't inspire fear in fellow party goers. Ask Steve after he comes to one of our farm parties, about

 

how terrible and feared I am... ROF,L !

 

3. I thought only gays "sauntered". I don't believe anybody here "saunters". And, I don't wear overalls, unless it's

 

to put a pair on for a Christmas farm picture, which I haven't talked my wonderul cute Wife into, yet. GGG

 

4. Read #1.

 

5. Read #2

 

6. Read #3

 

7. I don't know how you can be still threatened by conservatives. I wasn't all conservatives in California

 

that passed Prop. 8. Are you aware of that? At all? It's common, human decency and family values.

 

8. Read #7

 

9. Read #7 again.

 

10. Now, either prove I TREADED, or say you're sorry.

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But you believe in equality instead of some antiquated Biblical notion.

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I believe in the truth, and I find it in the Bible. I don't find it in a lot of people,

 

sometimes even back when I went to church.

 

You are one of those people. I have a keen instinct about these things,

 

but I sense a lot of posturing lib baloney for posterity coming from your location.

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Keep thinking about that.

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[osusev]

Steve you are funny.

 

I am confused I thought the Skirts you wear are about cultural tradition not comic relief...

 

Saddam was not nuclear... I thought that was already abundantly clear...

 

Actually because of the "bush" plan we are STUCK.. because of OIL and a counter to Iran (Which Saddam was)

As for Afghanistan.... PAKISTAN destabilization who is NUCLEAR....

 

"my" boy is less than 8 months into the Job and as EVERY MAJOR ECONOMIST PROJECT Tax hikes are coming because of what was CREATED PRIOR to Obama...

 

Since you dont seem to understand Obama wants a PUBLIC PAY OPTION THAT IS NONPROFIT but we have to PAY for it to COMPETE with the for profit options to lower costs...

 

You are Right about Bush Jr not running in 08 BUT HIS POLICY TEAM BACKERS WERE WITH MCCAIN AND PALIN it was the same ideology and backers

 

You must have missed the Sarcasm in the ENTIRE paragraph when I mentioned how important oil was... and how it affects everything which is why the loophole needs to be closed

 

Biden is not mentally challenged by a mile..... and he is VP and Pelosi is one member of the House.... Biden unlike Palin actually reads and understand foreign policy.

 

 

You comments as a retort on what the realities are of actually running a business its pretty much what a person does when they dont have any experience to give a educated retort to. Its funny because you dont have to honestly deal with it, you just like to whine about policy like you actually understand or it really impacts you.

How much do you pay for other peoples insurance? how much do you contribute to other people's retirements? Try actually doing it in practice and than you might have a clue.

Your like a guy who looks at a car and thinks he knows how to drive it without ever actually doing it and then complains about drag coefficient of the design or stopping distance/accelaration and than wants to tell Ford how to correct it.

 

 

As for North Korea.... Your "understanding" is over simplified Here let me explain this to you in terms I think even a child would understand...

 

LEVERAGE..... The U.S. was stopped COLD in the 50's by China WHO IS ALSO NUCLEAR... WHO by the WAY is our biggest CREDITOR in our own ECONOMIC DEBACLE.... WHO is ALSO the WORLDS manufacturer.

 

Barring military action that only could be solved by the NUCLEAR option neither country wants to engage..... which is the basis for peace between us and EVERY OTHER NUCLEAR nation..

 

North Koreas MAIN ally and aid contributor is CHINA.... The U.S. is just a MILITARY DETERENT.... NOrth Korea KNOWS China has expansionist policies and the political elite knows they are a rising superpower both economically and militarily. China is NOT a ally to the U.S. they are a competitor and WANTS to be the biggest player in Asia period......

 

Obviously your ignorance about Chinese/Korean peninsula/Japanese/Asian continent political/social history is evident because you have NO idea about how the Chinese operate.

 

Basically there is a large Bully in China that the U.S. can do NOTHING about military because of assured mutual destruction... Economically China nows holds OUR purse strings and manufacture's for the world... North Korea Knows this and so does EVERYONE ELSE... Which is why Russia (another competitor for us) and China were the critical players in every negotiation for the last 20 years.....

 

So whatever the U.S. does (and has been doing by cutting banking/business interest to north korea) truly means very little to nothing because North Korea can divert to Chinese held financial institutions..... or even Russian.... Which we cant do squat about.

 

Its called leverage in a negotiation and we are trumped because of Chinese/russian support... you know kind of like the French aided us in the Revolutionary war to check British colonialism elsewhere and to limit their sphere of influence.... The Chinese are more than happy to do the same to us now.

 

So in summary to your "understanding" of how U.S. foreign policy or leadeship affects MY other country... we have very little LEVERAGE... and in negotiations Leverage equats to the Golden rule: He who has the gold makes the rules (funny because China also has the gold now also) So yes right now it matters very little what the U.S. does.

 

China is the most important player and your child like U.S.centric idea that U.S. policy or leadership has much to do with why the North Koreans leadeship in their current transitive state is funny. My family who lives in Seoul (and quite a few are lifers in the military) can give me some pretty good perspective.... Not to mention I lived there served there, learned about all the history of surrounding asian countries....

 

maybe you should stick to topics like acoustics in a hibernian hall or how the static electricity from the friction of the skirts you wear can effect the wireless microphone you are using.

[Westside Steve]

Steve you are funny.

 

I am confused

 

I'm hip.

 

I thought the Skirts you wear are about cultural tradition not comic relief...

 

Well you aren't blessed with much of a sense of humor so .....

 

Saddam was not nuclear... I thought that was already abundantly clear...

 

Abundantly? Are you nuts?

The same report that said your buddy didn't have

stockpiles of WMDs ALSO said he would reinstate he program as soon as the sanctions were discarded. Which was the goal of the lefties and the French.

 

Also FYI the "buffer" to Iran was no longer valid after the US kicked Saddam out of Kuwait.

The UN couln't hav done it without the US so now they had a new ally whoi stood to profit from that oil. Hmmmm wonder who that was eh general?

{unless yuou think US foreign policy has no bearing there either)

 

I'll get to the rest of the crap later.

 

WSS

[osusev]

Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...

 

YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....

 

Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......

 

To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.

 

Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.

[Guest mz.]

^Such a blanket, down-home and really kind of novice statement really disregards the huge difference in ideology and practice each "side" employs and really pisses in the faces of those who actually care about shit.

[calfoxwc]

Palin is brilliant compared to Franken.

 

Say, where DID that experience is required thing by liberals go?

 

Franken-Stein has NO experience.

 

Rules changsies again? and again? and again?

 

Yep.

[osusev]

really mz the pussy.... you think the MILLIONS of dollars that it takes to get elected to the Millionaires club... I mean the Senate and the Lobbyists who fund those campaigns play fair?

 

There are good people on both sides, thats not the problem by any measure. The "system" of who and what choices are given to the people in the first place are. Franken.... seriously? what track history of success in governing does he really bring to the table? Or any sort of track history in leadership or expertise in subject matter?

 

Truthfully Cal has SOME merit here... Franken was the "best" democratic candidate for a Senate seat?

 

The "Disputed" numbers of what vote gets counted and those that dont are discretionary and were challenged back and forth and I find the truth probably lies in the middle.

 

Like Bush vs Gore a Supreme court had to step in and decide because both sides "claim" numbers and votes/disputes.... Where is the real truth? I just find it all shades of grey.

 

Yes I see ideology differences between parties.. but the almighty BINDING agent which makes the act in concert is MONEY. Inflluence and quid pro quo does not distinguish between ideology and party leadership. Both sides need it and draw from virtually the same pool, their maybe suble lobbying diffences but all parties pushing money all operate the same way on making sure "their" party wins in the money investment/influence game. EVERYONE plays hardball.

[calfoxwc]

But only the LEFT plays the game with the politics of personal destruction of "opponents",

 

including their spouses and children.

[Mr. T]

This whole ordeal has gotten ugly and i dont think we have seen the last of it.

 

Personally I was pissed that Coleman pulled out without a fight. Who knows maybe his wallet was running thin due to the fact that Franken (stewart) was able to get the rules of the game changed during the course of the game.

 

Lets use the same scenario in a football game, lets say that one team say Pittspuke is allowed to use 12 men on offense while playing the Browns, wouldn't you cry foul play?

 

This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.

[Westside Steve]

Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...

 

It's accurate and you overlook the reality.

 

YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....

 

What you're missing (possibly due to your inflated ego) is that Saddam had a tacit fellowship with te US that worked to his advantage as long as he played ball.

Which is why his new allies the French tried so hard to protect him.

Like the Saudi royals. It isn't religion, it's oersonal power.

Had the US not done the UN bidding in destert storm there would still be an arrangement.

A nuclear Iraq is not as big a threat if they're NOT our sworn enemies.

Use that "realism" you boast about.

 

Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......

 

See above.

 

To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.

 

Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.

 

Again the charges on the Franken side are miscounted and bogus ballots that turned up magically, in some areas outnumbering the voters.

And filtered through the fact that 2 to 1 election "workers" were dems.

 

On the Bush side it's bullshit like having de Po lice at polling areas to scare off voters and arranging the ballot so that stupid dems mistakenly voted for Buchanan.

 

WSS

[choco]

This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.

so, stealing a senate seat is not quite like stealing the presidency?

 

consider that opinions of the matter differ depending on where you stand....

 

 

 

were you sreaming bloody murder when Jeb's state gave your man another 4 years?

 

 

 

 

none of this means the shenanigans that occur are right, but everyone does it......to sit looking down from your soap box like your hands are clean is rather amusing to me.

[calfoxwc]

bs, Choco.

 

Bush won Florida every recount. Gore tried and tried, but couldn't do it, even to the point

 

of trying to deny overseas veterans in our military their votes, since most of them would have

 

been Bush votes.

 

Gore was unsuccessful in stealing the election in the courts.

 

Franken WAS successful, because Minn. is a goofball, liberal state.

 

Florida is not.

[Guest mz.]

Franken WAS successful, because Minn. is a goofball, liberal state.

 

Florida is not.

 

 

[calfoxwc]

Why is that woman holding you up by the tail, mz the pussy?

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But, Minnesota, before the last election (I forget who Minn. went for), had not gone for a

 

Republican since Nixon, in the 60's.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Seeing Franken on Capital Hill was hilarious. Kind of like having a numskull like mz the pussy elected to public office. God help us all, the Christians anyway.

[Guest mz.]

Why is that woman holding you up by the tail, mz the pussy?

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But, Minnesota, before the last election (I forget who Minn. went for), had not gone for a

 

Republican since Nixon, in the 60's.

 

Seeing Franken on Capital Hill was hilarious. Kind of like having a numskull like mz the pussy elected to public office. God help us all, the Christians anyway.

 

Wow, two guys who constantly cry to the mods about the flinging of personal insults by "libs" are insulting me personally in one thread. Kinda puts everything into perspective...

[Westside Steve]

so, stealing a senate seat is not quite like stealing the presidency?

 

Are any of you guys going to list the instances of vote tampering in Florida that you prattle on about?

Just tell us how it was done.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

You brought up the possum thing, mz the pussy. I guess you were saying that all Republicans in Florida are possums?

 

Or, something. Or maybe all Republicans in Minn. are possums. wth?

 

Whatever. Or, maybe you were saying I was a possum. the pic is kind of strange, with no explanation.

 

I didn't get it. But I did respond in teasing you about it. Poetic justice. Bring it up, don't explain what it means,

 

get response.

 

Just yet ANOTHER strange diversion from the current subject.

 

And, any lib can answer: Name ONE Dem in public office, who has had their children and family unmerifully ridiculed.

 

Name ONE gov. that has had a bunch of frivolous, politically oriented legal attack lawsuits on "ethics", like holding a fish,

 

or wearing a ball cap of her husband's team.

 

What I said was true. Political attacks of personal destruction are a Democratic thing, a new low.

[Guest mz.]

I was merely posting a funny picture of Katherine Harris, cal.

[Mr. T]

Even after the supremes got together and handed the election over to "W" an independent group of accountants went to Florida and did the recoun t on their own and found out that "W" really did win.

 

As far as stealing an election and voter fraud that is what we have gotten out of this past election with early voting & Acorn stuffing ballots in the battleground states.

 

We need to go back to the old way of one day voting and there will be less of these shenanigans.

[Guest mz.]

As far as stealing an election and voter fraud that is what we have gotten out of this past election with early voting & Acorn stuffing ballots in the battleground states.

 

Uh huh.

 

If ACORN did indeed steal the election for Obama, they are the by far the most effective organization ever.

 

Nominee Barack Obama John McCain

Electoral vote 365 173

States carried 28 + DC + NE-02 22

Popular vote 69,456,897 59,934,814

Percentage 52.9% 45.7%

 

So ACORN was responsible for at least ten million votes? Really??

 

Did Spencer and Heidi tell you this during their Alex Jones interview or something?

 

 

 

[calfoxwc]

The left will win by any means necessary. It comes with the frightful and corrupt drive for power over others,

 

and greed. With the politics of personal hate and destruction, let's call it "bowling over people for dollars".

 

And Acorn is one big corrupt asinine creation.

 

Founded and spawned by the desire for a socialist welfare state.

 

And don't think they will not try to keep the power no matter what they have to contrive.

[Guest Aloysius]

Recount Saga Hurt Coleman’s Future Prospects

 

Raleigh, N.C. – More than half of Minnesota voters say they have an unfavorable opinion of Norm Coleman and his actions during the recount for his Senate race is partly to blame, Public Policy Polling’s newest survey finds.

 

52% of respondents said they now view Coleman negatively, with 38% still holding a positive opinion of him. 72% of Republicans but only 10% of Democrats give him good reviews, and independents are split 49/37 against him as well.

 

54% of voters in the state said the way he handled the recount against Al Franken made them less likely to support Coleman in the future for Governor or some other office, compared to 26% who said it made them more inclined to vote for him in a later contest.

 

Pitted specifically against a trio of potential Democratic contenders for next year, Coleman trails Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak 43-37, has a 41-39 deficit against fellow former Senator Mark Dayton, and leads House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher by a 42-34 margin.

 

“Clearly the recount saga damaged Norm Coleman’s chances at being elected to office again in Minnesota,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “You have to wonder how much more goodwill he would have been able to earn with voters in the state if he had decided to take the high road and concede six months ago.”

Polling data here (.pdf)

[calfoxwc]

 

Poll shows Obama still unpopular in West Virginia

President Barack Obama remains unpopular with West Virginia voters.By Scott Finn

 

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The group Public Policy Polling interviewed 1,366 registered voters May 26 and 27.

 

The 39-percent approval rating is the second-lowest of 15 states that PPP has polled recently, said spokesman Tom Jensen.

 

Obama did worse in Oklahoma – the state that gave him his largest margin of defeat on election night.

 

Fifty percent of West Virginia voters disapproved of Obama’s job performance.

 

When he was a candidate for president, Barack Obama struggled to connect with Appalachian voters, and West Virginians in particular.

 

In West Virginia’s May primary, Obama suffered his second-largest margin of defeat.

 

In November, 43 percent of West Virginians supported Obama over Republican John McCain.

 

At the time, some pundits said Obama lost West Virginia because he didn’t campaign there. They said West Virginians would warm up to Obama as they got to know him as president.

 

But this new poll suggests that if anything, he’s less popular now than in November.

 

“In West Virginia, voters don’t like the president. He has one of the worst approval ratings of any state in the country,” Jensen said.

 

The main problem for Obama is that only 61 percent of West Virginia Democrats approve of his job performance.

 

So, what’s going on?

 

“People say West Virginia is such a Democratic state, but it doesn’t like Obama -- it must be so racist. But that’s really not true,” Jensen said.

 

Jensen says the low rating comes from West Virginia’s tiny black population.

 

West Virginia’s whites support Obama at about the same rate as other Southern whites.

 

“Obama’s approval rating among white people in West Virginia is almost identical to North Carolina, where he won in 2008 and where he has a very good approval rating.

 

“But the black population is just so small in West Virginia, you don’t have that propping up his overall numbers,” Jensen said.

 

West Virginia’s other leading Democrats all did better in the poll.

 

Governor Joe Manchin and Senator Robert Byrd both received a 53 percent approval rating. Fifty-two percent of voters said they approved of the job Senator Jay Rockefeller was doing.

 

That’s down from previous surveys and may not sound so great, but Jensen says it’s better than most governors and senators are doing, amid the current recession.