Ark Encounter Sues Insurance Companies Over Rain Damage

[MLD Woody]

https://www.citybeat.com/news/blog/21070329/ark-encounter-sues-insurance-companies-over-rain-damage

[DieHardBrownsFan]

And they should win.  This is a biblical recreation that takes priority.

[OldBrownsFan]

No rain damage to the ark itself but access road was washed out.. 

[Clevfan4life]

fuckers obviously dont know how to.follow the lords instruction manual

[OldBrownsFan]

4 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

fuckers obviously dont know how to.follow the lords instruction manual

I don't think Noah was instructed to build an access road to the ark. 

 

[MLD Woody]

Hey OBF, do you think everything in the ark story is true? Do you think a man and his family built an ark that carried two of every kind of animal for 40 days while the Earth flooded?

[Clevfan4life]

5 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Hey OBF, do you think everything in the ark story is true? Do you think a man and his family built an ark that carried two of every kind of animal for 40 days while the Earth flooded?

 

[calfoxwc]

6 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Hey OBF, do you think everything in the ark story is true? Do you think a man and his family built an ark that carried two of every kind of animal for 40 days while the Earth flooded?

  Why not look it up yourself, Woody? Freakin for once?

https://biologos.org/common-questions/how-should-we-interpret-the-genesis-flood-account/

[OldBrownsFan]

38 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Hey OBF, do you think everything in the ark story is true? Do you think a man and his family built an ark that carried two of every kind of animal for 40 days while the Earth flooded?

The Apostle Paul said we only see through a dark glass so there are things on this side we will not fully comprehend. Paul also says we all must individually work out our own salvation. There are stories in the bible Christians can disagree about such as Noah's ark or the story of Jonah and the whale whether they be historical, an allegory or parable. I believe the stories to be historical because Jesus uses them not as a parable but in a historical context. The bottom line in the Christian faith is you must be born again. That is the only thing that matters. What Jesus told Nicodemus applies to everyone...we must be born again (literally born from above).

 

[LogicIsForSquares]

8 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The Apostle Paul said we only see through a dark glass so there are things on this side we will not fully comprehend. Paul also says we all must individually work out our own salvation. There are stories in the bible Christians can disagree about such as Noah's ark or the story of Jonah and the whale whether they be historical, an allegory or parable. I believe the stories to be historical because Jesus uses them not as a parable but in a historical context. The bottom line in the Christian faith is you must be born again. That is the only thing that matters. What Jesus told Nicodemus applies to everyone...we must be born again (literally born from above).

 

So you believe it historical fact that Jonah was inside a whale and Noah had two of every animal on the ark?

[Clevfan4life]

hasnt OBF clarified his position on the factual accuracy of the old testament ad nauseum here over years?

[Chemist]

10 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

Hey OBF, do you think everything in the ark story is true? Do you think a man and his family built an ark that carried two of every kind of animal for 40 days while the Earth flooded?

That’s the point. He did something that, without help from the lord, was not possible. It doesn’t matter that you find it implausible. It happened. 

[OldBrownsFan]

31 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

hasnt OBF clarified his position on the factual accuracy of the old testament ad nauseum here over years?

These things do not matter as they are not things affecting salvation and even Christians are not all on the same page about these stories being historical, allegorical or parables. It doesn't matter if one believes the earth is 6,000 years old or billions of years. It doesn't matter if one believes the story of Jonah is historical or an allegory or if the flood was worldwide or local. I believe these stories are historical because that is how Jesus presented them. He did not talk about them as being parables and if He used the story of Jonah as an example of His death and resurrection it seems odd to me He would use a story that was not true on something of such significance.

What matters in the Christian faith is Jesus and believing He is who He claims to be and putting our trust in Him and making Him Lord of our lives. That is being born again, being born from above and what makes us ready to enter that place He has prepared for those who do .

 

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said:

These things do not matter as they are not things affecting salvation and even Christians are not all on the same page about these stories being historical, allegorical or parables. It doesn't matter if one believes the earth is 6,000 years old or billions of years. It doesn't matter if one believes the story of Jonah is historical or an allegory or if the flood was worldwide or local. I believe these stories are historical because that is how Jesus presented them. He did not talk about them as being parables and if He used the story of Jonah as an example of His death and resurrection it seems odd to me He would use a story that was not true on something of such significance.

What matters in the Christian faith is Jesus and believing He is who He claims to be and putting our trust in Him and making Him Lord of our lives. That is being born again, being born from above and what makes us ready to enter that place He has prepared for those who do .

 

do i detect mobile goalposts?

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, Chemist said:

It doesn’t matter that you find it implausible. It happened. 

pics or it didnt happen.....☕

[jbluhm86]

1 hour ago, Chemist said:

That’s the point. He did something that, without help from the lord, was not possible. It doesn’t matter that you find it implausible. It happened. 

The Qur'an says that Mo' rode a horse into space and cut the moon in half. Without the help from Allah, that would not have been possible. It doesn't matter that you find it implausible. It happened. I await your confirmation of converting to Islam.

[OldBrownsFan]

26 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

do i detect mobile goalposts?

My goalposts haven't changed but there have always been debates even among Christians about some of the stories in the bible and most of the time it doesn't matter what one believes on issues that do not directly relate to salvation. You can believe Jesus is the Son of God, and make Him Lord of your life and put your trust and faith in Him (this is what really matters) yet believe the story of Jonah was allegorically and not historical. 

[MLD Woody]

You believe a man was swallowed by a whale and survived?

 

You believe 2 of EVERY SPECIES was put on to a guys boat?

[Chemist]

9 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

The Qur'an says that Mo' rode a horse into space and cut the moon in half. Without the help from Allah, that would not have been possible. It doesn't matter that you find it implausible. It happened. I await your confirmation of converting to Islam.

https://www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/the-word-of-god

[Chemist]

“The Muslim Koran makes no claims to being words from Allah.  Rather it is the writing of Mohammed, a religious leader, his record of history as well as his desire for the future. But has any prophecy in the Koran come to pass?  Only the Christian Bible claims to be God’s very word to man and only the Bible contains the verifiable track record of prophetic fulfillment as evidence of its claims”

[LogicIsForSquares]

7 hours ago, Chemist said:

“The Muslim Koran makes no claims to being words from Allah.  Rather it is the writing of Mohammed, a religious leader, his record of history as well as his desire for the future. But has any prophecy in the Koran come to pass?  Only the Christian Bible claims to be God’s very word to man and only the Bible contains the verifiable track record of prophetic fulfillment as evidence of its claims”

A quote from Christian Living. I am sure they are unbiased and love critical thinking.

[Clevfan4life]

i need fucking pics/vids of some kunt climbing out of a whales ass after weeks of living in it...like now dammit or it didnt happen. Everyone knows the rules. I wanna see that shit. 

[jbluhm86]

7 hours ago, Chemist said:

https://www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/the-word-of-god

 

7 hours ago, Chemist said:

“The Muslim Koran makes no claims to being words from Allah.  Rather it is the writing of Mohammed, a religious leader, his record of history as well as his desire for the future. But has any prophecy in the Koran come to pass?  Only the Christian Bible claims to be God’s very word to man and only the Bible contains the verifiable track record of prophetic fulfillment as evidence of its claims”

[Clevfan4life]

the fallacy of circuitous arguments...nicely played!👌

[OldBrownsFan]

15 hours ago, MLD Woody said:

You believe a man was swallowed by a whale and survived?

 

You believe 2 of EVERY SPECIES was put on to a guys boat?

Doesn't everybody?

Seriously it would take a miracle for the things like the above to happen. I believe in miracles. 

Here is one area though that it doesn't take a miracle to believe. The prophecies in the bible that were predicted and fulfilled:

Peter Stoner’s Calculations Regarding Messianic Prophecy

Peter Stoner calculated the probability of just 8 Messianic prophecies being fulfilled in the life of Jesus. As you read through these prophecies, you will see that all estimates were calculated as conservatively as possible.

1. The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
   The average population of Bethlehem from the time of Micah to the present (1958) divided by the average population of the earth during the same period = 7,150/2,000,000,000 or 2.8×10⁵.

    

2. A messenger will prepare the way for the Messiah (Malachi 3:1).
   One man in how many, the world over, has had a forerunner (in this case, John the Baptist) to prepare his way?
   Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×10³.

    

3. The Messiah will enter Jerusalem as a king riding on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9).
   One man in how many, who has entered Jerusalem as a ruler, has entered riding on a donkey?
   Estimate: 1 in 100 or 1×10².

    

4. The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend and suffer wounds in His hands (Zechariah 13:6).
   One man in how many, the world over, has been betrayed by a friend, resulting in wounds in his hands?
   Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×10³.

    

5. The Messiah will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
   Of the people who have been betrayed, one in how many has been betrayed for exactly 30 pieces of silver?
   Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×10³.

    

6. The betrayal money will be used to purchase a potter’s field (Zechariah 11:13).
   One man in how many, after receiving a bribe for the betrayal of a friend, has returned the money, had it refused, and then experienced it being used to buy a potter’s field?
   Estimate: 1 in 100,000 or 1×10⁵.

    

7. The Messiah will remain silent while He is afflicted (Isaiah 53:7).
   One man in how many, when he is oppressed and afflicted, though innocent, will make no defense of himself?
   Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×10³.

    

8. The Messiah will die by having His hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16).
   One man in how many, since the time of David, has been crucified?
   Estimate: 1 in 10,000 or 1×10⁴.

Multiplying all these probabilities together produces a number (rounded off) of 1×10²⁸. Dividing this number by an estimate of the number of people who have lived since the time of these prophecies (88 billion) produces a probability of all 8 prophecies being fulfilled accidently in the life of one person. That probability is 1in 10¹⁷ or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. That’s one in one hundred quadrillion!

Part Two: The Accuracy of Prophecy

The second section of Stoner’s book, is entitled “Prophetic Accuracy.” This is where the book becomes absolutely fascinating. One by one, he takes major Bible prophecies concerning cities and nations and calculates the odds of their being fulfilled. The first is a prophecy in Ezekiel 26 concerning the city of Tyre. Seven prophecies are contained in this chapter which was written in 590 BC:

1. Nebuchadnezzar shall conquer the city (vs. 7-11).
2. Other nations will assist Nebuchadnezzar (v. 3).
3. The city will be made like a bare rock (vs. 4 & 14).
4. It will become a place for the spreading of fishing nets (vs. 5 & 14).
5. Its stones and timbers will be thrown into the sea (v. 12).
6. Other cities will fear greatly at the fall of Tyre (v. 16).
7. The old city of Tyre will never be rebuilt (v. 14).

Four years after this prophecy was given, Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Tyre. The siege lasted 13 years. When the city finally fell in 573 BC, it was discovered that everything of value had been moved to a nearby island.

Two hundred and forty-one years later Alexander the Great arrived on the scene. Fearing that the fleet of Tyre might be used against his homeland, he decided to take the island where the city had been moved to. He accomplished this goal by building a causeway from the mainland to the island, and he did that by using all the building materials from the ruins of the old city. Neighboring cities were so frightened by Alexander’s conquest that they immediately opened their gates to him. Ever since that time, Tyre has remained in ruins and is a place where fishermen spread their nets.

Thus, every detail of the prophecy was fulfilled exactly as predicted. Stoner calculated the odds of such a prophecy being fulfilled by chance as being 1 in 75,000,000, or 1 in 7.5×10⁷. (The exponent 7 indicates that the decimal is to be moved to the right seven places.)

Stoner proceeds to calculate the probabilities of the prophecies concerning Samaria, Gaza and Ashkelon, Jericho, Palestine, Moab and Ammon, Edom, and Babylon. He also calculates the odds of prophecies being fulfilled that predicted the closing of the Eastern Gate (Ezekiel 44:1-3), the plowing of Mount Zion (Micah 3:12), and the enlargement of Jerusalem according to a prescribed pattern (Jeremiah 31:38-40).

Combining all these prophecies, he concludes that “the probability of these 11 prophecies coming true, if written in human wisdom, is… 1 in 5.76×10⁵⁹. Needless to say, this is a number beyond the realm of possibility.

Part Three: Messianic Prophecy

The third and most famous section of Stoner’s book concerns Messianic prophecy. His theme verse for this section is John 5:39 — “Search the Scriptures because… it is these that bear witness of Me.”

Stoner proceeds to select eight of the best known prophecies about the Messiah and calculates the odds of their accidental fulfillment in one person as being 1 in 10¹⁷.

I love the way Stoner illustrated the meaning of this number. He asked the reader to imagine filling the State of Texas knee deep in silver dollars. Include in this huge number one silver dollar with a black check mark on it. Then, turn a blindfolded person loose in this sea of silver dollars. The odds that the first coin he would pick up would be the one with the black check mark are the same as 8 prophecies being fulfilled accidentally in the life of Jesus.

The point, of course, is that when people say that the fulfillment of prophecy in the life of Jesus was accidental, they do not know what they are talking about. Keep in mind that Jesus did not just fulfill 8 prophecies, He fulfilled 108. The chances of fulfilling 16 is 1 in 10⁴⁵. When you get to a total of 48, the odds increase to 1 in 10¹⁵⁷. Accidental fulfillment of these prophecies is simply beyond the realm of possibility.

When confronted with these statistics, skeptics will often fall back on the argument that Jesus purposefully fulfilled the prophecies. There is no doubt that Jesus was aware of the prophecies and His fulfillment of them. For example, when He got ready to enter Jerusalem the last time, He told His disciples to find Him a donkey to ride so that the prophecy of Zechariah could be fulfilled which said, “Behold, your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey” (Matthew 21:1-5 and Zechariah 9:9).

But many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah could not be purposefully fulfilled — such as the town of His birth (Micah 5:2) or the nature of His betrayal (Psalm 41:9), or the manner of His death (Zechariah 13:6 and Psalm 22:16).

One of the most remarkable Messianic prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures is the one that precisely states that the Messiah will die by crucifixion. It is found in Psalm 22 where David prophesied the Messiah would die by having His hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16). That prophecy was written 1,000 years before Jesus was born. When it was written, the Jewish method of execution was by stoning. The prophecy was also written many years before the Romans perfected crucifixion as a method of execution.

Even when Jesus was killed, the Jews still relied on stoning as their method of execution, but they had lost the power to implement the death penalty due to Roman occupation. That is why they were forced to take Jesus to Pilate, the Roman governor, and that’s how Jesus ended up being crucified, in fulfillment of David’s prophecy.

The bottom line is that the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the life of Jesus proves conclusively that He truly was God in the flesh. It also proves that the Bible is supernatural in origin.

Note: A detailed listing of all 108 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus is contained in Dr. Reagan’s book, Christ in Prophecy Study Guide. It also contains an analytical listing of all the Messianic prophecies in the Bible — both Old and New Testaments — concerning both the First and Second comings of the Messiah

https://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/

[Clevfan4life]

and none of thst do we know actually hsppened or was edited later to make things that were predicted in the past to sync up with what hsppened in the future. Goebbels himself expounded on thst idea to bolster the primacy of nazi idealogy. 

thats why the church burnt everything they could find that might counter their own narrative and thats why the nazi's were arsonists too. They knew that after only a couple generations pass the old truths/facts start to fade and whats left would be factual sounding nazi transcripts. Think of their efforts to deny the holocaust or at least minimize it. And for their part the israeli's have prob made sure it was at least somewhat exaggerated so that anytime zionism is questioned "HOLOCAUST HOLOCAUST HOLOCAUST REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST!!"

The history of humanity as its been told to us is a giant piece of propaganda and the only way "to go back home" is to intrinsically recognize that ur in the house of "the great liar"....

☕

[OldBrownsFan]

The history of humanity as its been told to us is a giant piece of propaganda and the only way "to go back home" is to intrinsically recognize that ur in the house of "the great liar"....

 

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You stumbled on a biblical truth. We live in a world where God's enemy is the ruler (for now). We live in his world and he is the "great liar".

[Clevfan4life]

1 hour ago, OldBrownsFan said:

The history of humanity as its been told to us is a giant piece of propaganda and the only way "to go back home" is to intrinsically recognize that ur in the house of "the great liar"....

 

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You stumbled on a biblical truth. We live in a world where God's enemy is the ruler (for now). We live in his world and he is the "great liar".

the great liar and ur god may very well be one and the same. That was written about pre OT and guess how the church viewed those texts?

[OldBrownsFan]

9 minutes ago, Clevfan4life said:

the great liar and ur god may very well be one and the same. That was written about pre OT and guess how the church viewed those texts?

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life............there is no other. Truth here translates to reality. He is the reality. We live in satan's unreal world and Jesus is the reality. The cross is the reality that God was willing to go to the limit for His creation.

[Clevfan4life]

20 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life............there is no other. Truth here translates to reality. He is the reality. We live in satan's unreal world and Jesus is the reality. The cross is the reality that God was willing to go to the limit for His creation.

texts that predate urs have a similiar...but also starkly different take.