The Gipper Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Well we really don't know who they would reject my guess is somebody who's going to want complete autonomy which I don't think Dorsey will be willing to give up if Dorsey is still at the helm. That's why my guest leaves slightly toward McCarthy because they are friends. (Just complete and utter speculation pipedream whatever, I wondered what would happen if we bring back Williams and ask Freddieif he would go back to offensive coordinator?) But I don't think McDaniels or Roman are responsible for any of the success there teams have had, just right place right time. As for Saleh who knows? Maybe a little bit of sharia law would cut down on penalties and mistakes? 😂 WSS I agree with everything you say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Read his last name and noticed that he's from Dearborn. Probably Lebanese or some other Middle Eastern. WSS Right....I assume he at least meets the Rooney rule.....and you never know, he could end up being a hell of a HC. Hopefully he would if he were the guy we get. (by the way, like 40% of Lebanese are Christian...so who knows or cares, except that the Rooney rule makes you delve into all that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 I wouldn’t mind a defensive minded guy. I feel like the last couple guys we tried were offensive minded guys. I hope Saleh gets a good look. The little l’ve read about him he’s been in the league a while and worked his way up through the ranks, and his defensive units have improved each year with SF. 1st round Dline picks every year helped l’m sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 https://nesn.com/2020/01/nfl-odds-josh-mcdaniels-favored-to-land-browns-job-heres-why-it-makes-sense/ McD? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Westside Steve said: McD? I dunno... his pratfall in Denver just makes it too hard to want him. He might be a great OC, but HC??? I just don't see the added years he's spent under Bill raising his HC "game"... and when last seen it needed significant raising. Details of his DNV time are a little fuzzy, but google is my friend: https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/1/20/16910138/broncos-media-helps-explain-what-went-wrong-with-josh-mcdaniels-in-denver https://www.milehighreport.com/2016/1/20/10793696/josh-mcdaniels-head-coach-patriots-broncos https://www.denverpost.com/2010/12/06/mcdaniels-fired-as-broncos-coach-after-controversy-losses-pile-up/ The three articles progressively step back in time to his Bronco stint. I'd completely forgotten that McD authored his own little spygate episode prior to a London game vs. the 49ers. Here's a tidbit from the 2018 recounting... Quote McDaniels had full control over the roster, and while he didn’t have the same credibility and respectability as a guy like Bill Belichick, he tried to command that respect like a dog marking its territory all over the organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 Started this in the MM thread, but it seems to fit better here... 22 minutes ago, mjp28 said: ... the old Oilers coach Bum Phillips. Really good example of a leader as an HC. His Oiler teams loved the man and would have played on broken glass if he asked them to. He got the best out of everyone who played for him no matter what level of talent they brought to the team. Someone mentioned Tomlin in one thread or another a while ago as an example of getting the leader part right in the selection process over getting the X'sO's genius. While there are things I don't like about Tomlin, I can't argue that he does not effectively lead the Steelers... same for Cowher before him... and Noll before him. Maybe that needs to be our point of emphasis over XsOs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOM Posted January 3, 2020 Report Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Tour2ma said: Started this in the MM thread, but it seems to fit better here... Really good example of a leader as an HC. His Oiler teams loved the man and would have played on broken glass if he asked them to. He got the best out of everyone who played for him no matter what level of talent they brought to the team. Someone mentioned Tomlin in one thread or another a while ago as an example of getting the leader part right in the selection process over getting the X'sO's genius. While there are things I don't like about Tomlin, I can't argue that he does not effectively lead the Steelers... same for Cowher before him... and Noll before him. Maybe that needs to be our point of emphasis over XsOs. ok ya i liked bum but c'mon his claim to fame was running earl to death and trust me i loved to watch him do it along with billy white shoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I was happy with the Hue Jackson hiring when it first happened. I thought it was a good idea to have Baker continue working with Freddie Kitchens, so l was ok with making Freddie the HC. i really have no business putting forth the effort deciding if l do or don’t like any of these guys over the others. I suck at it. I think l like Saleh though. So better hope it’s not him, haha. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Tour2ma said: I dunno... his pratfall in Denver just makes it too hard to want him. He might be a great OC, but HC??? I just don't see the added years he's spent under Bill raising his HC "game"... and when last seen it needed significant raising. Details of his DNV time are a little fuzzy, but google is my friend: https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/1/20/16910138/broncos-media-helps-explain-what-went-wrong-with-josh-mcdaniels-in-denver https://www.milehighreport.com/2016/1/20/10793696/josh-mcdaniels-head-coach-patriots-broncos https://www.denverpost.com/2010/12/06/mcdaniels-fired-as-broncos-coach-after-controversy-losses-pile-up/ The three articles progressively step back in time to his Bronco stint. I'd completely forgotten that McD authored his own little spygate episode prior to a London game vs. the 49ers. Here's a tidbit from the 2018 recounting... Hey I just posted the article I think there are all kinds of red flags with this guy. I don't want to be swayed by the fact that he's from 3 miles from my house. An offensive coordinator with Brady and Gronk seems to already have a step up on the opposition. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 I admit, there's a twisted part of my brain that would find it amusing if the Haslams finally get their white whale - Josh McDaniels - only to have him back out at the last minute like he did to the Colts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: Hey I just posted the article I think there are all kinds of red flags with this guy. I don't want to be swayed by the fact that he's from 3 miles from my house. An offensive coordinator with Brady and Gronk seems to already have a step up on the opposition. WSS He was born at Barberton citizens hospital. But he grew up in the north canton area Plain Township actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Dutch Oven said: I admit, there's a twisted part of my brain that would find it amusing if the Haslams finally get their white whale - Josh McDaniels - only to have him back out at the last minute like he did to the Colts. What would actually be funny would be if say the patriots lost tomorrow that Robert Kraft would go to Bill Belichick and ask him to step down in favor of McDaniels because he doesn’t wanna lose McDaniels for the future. That would be funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/terez-paylor-likes-kevin-stefanski-as-next-browns-coach And some stefanski clickbait WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 8:31 PM, Dutch Oven said: I admit, there's a twisted part of my brain... And it's the part we all like the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Oven Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tour2ma said: And it's the part we all like the best! Flattery will get you everywhere with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/06/carolina-to-interview-josh-mcdaniels-on-tuesday/ So does he sign today? Then does stefanski go to the Giants and? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/06/carolina-to-interview-josh-mcdaniels-on-tuesday/ So does he sign today? Then does stefanski go to the Giants and? WSS No. My prediction sure to go wrong..McDaniels is the Browns coach, Bienemy is the carolina coach, and Matt Rhule is in NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/06/carolina-to-interview-josh-mcdaniels-on-tuesday/ So does he sign today? Then does stefanski go to the Giants and? WSS Stefanski could be the best of both worlds, a two for one if he convinces Kubiak to be his OC. They have worked well together to keep the Viks O going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said: Stefanski could be the best of both worlds, a two for one if he convinces Kubiak to be his OC. They have worked well together to keep the Viks O going. That could work. By the way how bad would it suck to be Eric Bienemy (or however it's spelled) who has to sit through all these interviews knowing that the only reason he's there is the Rooney Rule) WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Westside Steve said: That could work. By the way how bad would it suck to be Eric Bienemy (or however it's spelled) who has to sit through all these interviews knowing that the only reason he's there is the Rooney Rule) WSS I disagree with you on this one. I think he is a legit candidate. THIS year may not be his year (although I think he goes to Carolina) but within the next 2 years, he will be the head coach somewhere. Especially if the KC offense keeps doing it what it does best. Plus, part of the "idea" of the rooney rule is to at least get interviews, learn the process, and become more prepared. When it was initially installed minorities were not even given these chances. I still think the rule itself needs to be adjusted and adapted to the changing times, but the overall "concept" of the rule is a good idea. Now, Marvin Lewis with the Cowboys...that was a direct exploitation of the Rooney Rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said: I disagree with you on this one. I think he is a legit candidate. THIS year may not be his year (although I think he goes to Carolina) but within the next 2 years, he will be the head coach somewhere. Especially if the KC offense keeps doing it what it does best. Plus, part of the "idea" of the rooney rule is to at least get interviews, learn the process, and become more prepared. When it was initially installed minorities were not even given these chances. I still think the rule itself needs to be adjusted and adapted to the changing times, but the overall "concept" of the rule is a good idea. Now, Marvin Lewis with the Cowboys...that was a direct exploitation of the Rooney Rule. You think Marv Lewis is less legit? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigalow80 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: You think Marv Lewis is less legit? WSS How do you think it would have gone over in Dallas if you replace a guy who can't win a playoff game in 10 years with a guy who can't win a playoff game in 15 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bigalow80 said: How do you think it would have gone over in Dallas if you replace a guy who can't win a playoff game in 10 years with a guy who can't win a playoff game in 15 years? Dude its Cincinnati... WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article239015758.html So it's Browns and Giants still open. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 And the Giants hire... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2020/01/07/new-york-giants-joe-judge-patriots-hired-head-coach/2832344001/ So McDaniels what do you think? Take the job or wait for Bill to retire? WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 How did you guys not see Joe Judge coming? I've been talking about him for minutes now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-zero-chance-josh-mcdaniels-fills-cleveland-browns-coaching-vacancy/95-3f772f62-e7d7-4704-b225-dc3c677383b5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 We are screwed. WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Westside Steve said: https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-zero-chance-josh-mcdaniels-fills-cleveland-browns-coaching-vacancy/95-3f772f62-e7d7-4704-b225-dc3c677383b5 New England arrogance at work there. I don't think that McDaniel needs BBs "stamp of approval" of the Browns ownership in order to consider this job. That being said, certainly, NO, no one would give this ownership its stamp of approval. But let's look at what the Browns have to offer: A. A young, exciting, capable QB....who in my, and I assume your, and many others in football, just needs proper direction. B. A quality WR corps, with Landry, OBJ, Higgins, etc. Njoku and Seals at TE C. One of the top 3 backfields (RBs) in the game. D. OK....an OL that needs work. (If everything were perfect we wouldn't be needing a new HC) E. We will have back one of the best Pass Rushers in the game. F. A defensive backfield with some good promising pieces.....but yes, which needs work G. A LB corps....which, if they keep Schobert has a solid piece in the middle. Kirksey on the mend. But yes, needs some work. So, what I am saying is that the Browns have very, very attractive pieces in place that an offensive oriented HC would love to work with. (be that McD. or Stefanski, or Bienemy). A key part of the new HCs job ...if it is one of the offensive minded guys WILL be to hire the right DC. Don't know if there are any Dick LeBeau's in the wings out there. But, if defensive minded Robert Saleh is chosen.....he will have control of the defense likely. His biggest task would be getting the right OC to come in to work with the talent mentioned above. Who could come in and do that? I don't know why....but I do feel that it will be one of the offensive guys, just based on what he would have to work with. I think it would be nice to get McD at HC and Saleh at DC....but, of course, we know that there would be no lateral move to make....and Saleh has a hell of a defense to work with there in SFO if he does not get the HC gig with the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Well... if Andy Gresh says there's zero chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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