Top corona virus EXPERTS refute strongly criticism of Pres Trump

[calfoxwc]

but Woodpeckers believes he knows better. lol

nope.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus_experts_shut_down_blame_trump

[OldBrownsFan]

If these experts defend Trump the MSM media likely will be looking elsewhere to find others that will blame Trump. The narrative they want to portray is how badly Trump has mishandled the coronavirus and they will find the malcontents who will say what they want to hear.

[Tour2ma]

Really? You think Fauci is endorsing the Trump Admin's efforts when he says, "(It's) doing all it can now"? Could be the backhanded compliment of this young year...

I guess y'all missed his recent Congressional testimony where in discussing the testing he said:

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now -- what you are asking for -- that is a failing ... Let's admit it," he told the congresswoman.

"The fact is the way the system was set up is that the public health component ... was a system where you put it out there in the public and a physician asks for it and you get it. The idea of anybody getting it easily, the way people in other countries are doing it -- we're not set up for that," Fauci added. "Do I think we should be? Yes, but we're not."

Has to be true... look at the source: https://www.foxnews.com/media/fauci-system-failing-testing-coronavirus

 

As for Gottlieb... let's just say I'm skeptical of the objectivity of an AEI resident fellow.

 

Plus only Fauci is an infectious disease expert.... no matter what The Blaze claims.

[OldBrownsFan]

Actually who is at fault here? Trump did not set CDC guidelines in place. The same guidelines that were in place during the Obama administration. The CDC were not prepared for massive testing like we have seen in South Korea for a flu pandemic. That is on the CDC and to their credit they acknowledge this was a failing on their part. They also have been working hard to get up to speed in testing and I credit them for that too.

[TexasAg1969]

5 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Actually who is at fault here? Trump did not set CDC guidelines in place. The same guidelines that were in place during the Obama administration. The CDC were not prepared for massive testing like we have seen in South Korea for a flu pandemic. That is on the CDC and to their credit they acknowledge this was a failing on their part. They also have been working hard to get up to speed in testing and I credit them for that too.

I already told you Trump took the pandemic experts out of the WH NSC team after one year in office. 

That's not quite as dumb as his  buddy Nunes who is telling people to go to their local bars and socialize. But it's damn close.

[OldBrownsFan]

2 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

I already told you Trump took the pandemic experts out of the WH NSC team after one year in office. 

That's not quite as dumb as his  buddy Nunes who is telling people to go to their local bars and socialize. But it's damn close.

No Tex the head of the CDC himself has said they were not prepared for massive testing for a flu pandemic. It was never a part of their playbook and that goes back for years under different administrations.

 

[Tour2ma]

20 minutes ago, OldBrownsFan said:

No Tex the head of the CDC himself has said they were not prepared for massive testing for a flu pandemic. It was never a part of their playbook and that goes back for years under different administrations.

You are missing Ag's point...

With the pandemic experts gone the Trump Admin lost the ability to anticipate the size of this threat and set in motion the preparation for a massive testing program much earlier.

That travel ban we're discussing in another thread? It bought time to spin up a testing program, about a month, but instead was wasted thinking we could keep it off shore... or at least that's what Trump was thinking.

So instead of having testing to get us ahead in this fight, we're behind.

 

The NSC layer to pandemic preparedness was added by the Obama Admin as a result of lessons learned in the H1N1 fight. The fight you are determined to drag into this discussion.

What was Trump's rationale for getting rid of it in 2018? Did he even know it was gone from his NSC?

Listen to his "Homana Homana" routine below...

I did not do it. I did not know about it. Tony, did you know about it? Did you do it, Tony?

Harry Truman is spinning in his Independence, MO grave...

 

[OldBrownsFan]

8 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

You are missing Ag's point...

With the pandemic experts gone the Trump Admin lost the ability to anticipate the size of this threat and set in motion the preparation for a massive testing program much earlier.

That travel ban we're discussing in another thread? It bought time to spin up a testing program, about a month, but instead was wasted thinking we could keep it off shore... or at least that's what Trump was thinking.

So instead of having testing to get us ahead in this fight, we're behind.

It is way too easy to play the blame game and especially for those who hate this president. 

 

FACTCHECK POSTS

Democrats’ Misleading Coronavirus Claims

Democrats have criticized President Donald Trump for his administration’s response to the new coronavirus, making claims about cuts to public health programs and the silencing of government experts. But they haven’t always gotten their facts right:

• It’s true that the president’s budget proposals have consistently called for reduced funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but Congress hasn’t enacted those cuts. Some Democrats have correctly said Trump “tried” to implement such cuts, while others wrongly claimed he “slashed funding of the CDC” or “cut the funding,” in the words of Democratic presidential candidates Mike Bloomberg and Joe Biden, respectively.
• Biden said Trump “tried to defund the NIH.” Trump did propose cutting NIH funding, but lawmakers instead have enacted increases.
• Multiple Democrats, including Bloomberg and Biden, have criticized Trump for getting rid of a pandemic response position on the National Security Council. The position was eliminated, although John Bolton, then-national security adviser, was the person directly responsible.
• Biden went too far when he claimed that Trump “hasn’t allowed his scientists to speak” about the coronavirus. It’s true that the government’s top scientists on infectious disease were told to clear their media interviews through a coronavirus task force, but they have since made numerous public appearances.
   

Trump’s Proposed Budget Cuts

It’s true that the president’s proposed budgets have included funding cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — but Congress hasn’t enacted those cuts.

Sometimes Democrats accurately have said Trump “tried to cut back on the CDC,” as Sen. Amy Klobuchar said in the Feb. 25 debate in South Carolina. Former Vice President Joe Biden used harsher language in saying in a CNN town hall on Feb. 26 that Trump “tried to defund the CDC.” The president proposed reducing the CDC budget — some years by double-digit percentages — not completely defunding it.

But Democrats, including Biden, also have dropped the qualifier “tried” from their claims, saying uncategorically that Trump had reduced the CDC funding. On ABC’s “This Week” on March 1, Biden said: “They’ve cut the funding for the CDC.”

“And he has defunded — he had defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need,” former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg said in the Feb. 25 debate. In a statement issued the same day, Bloomberg said Trump “has slashed funding of the CDC and other essential health agencies.”

As we’ve written before, a president’s budget proposal is more a statement of priorities than anything Congress would vote to enact. In fact, Republican Sen. Mike Enzi, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said that he wouldn’t hold a hearing on Trump’s latest fiscal 2021 budget, adding, “Congress doesn’t pay any attention to the president’s budget exercise.”

Dara Lieberman, director of government relations for the nonprofit, nonpartisan Trust for America’s Health, told us: “The administration has proposed, but Congress has for the large part rejected, cuts to … CDC’s budget.”

Democrats are free to criticize the president’s proposals, and they have. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a Feb. 27 news conference: “The Trump budget called for slashing almost $700 million from the Center for Disease Control, and this was the budget which came out after we knew about the coronavirus threat.”

The fiscal 2021 budget proposal did call for a $693.3 million reduction to the CDC’s funding compared with what was enacted for fiscal 2020, according to this CDC budget document. That would be a 9% reduction in the CDC’s budget. The president’s budget proposal was released on Feb. 10, after the COVID-19 outbreak began and the first U.S. case was confirmed on Jan. 20.

But the president has proposed cuts to the CDC in past budgets that Congress did not enact. It’s misleading at best to claim Trump “slashed funding,” when his proposals haven’t taken effect. For instance, Trump’s fiscal 2020 budget proposal would have reduced CDC funding by $750.6 million, compared with what was enacted for fiscal 2019 (see the “program level” line in the linked document). But Congress passed, and Trump signed, a budget that increased CDC funding by $420 million.

For fiscal 2019, Trump put forth a $1.36 billion cut to CDC’s funding in his budget proposal, but what ended up being enacted was a $261.6 million increase over what was passed the year before. The president proposed a 19.4% reduction, but Congress enacted a 3.7% increase.

For fiscal 2018, Trump’s first full budget proposal as president, he proposed a 17% reduction in funding for the CDC, but what Congress enacted amounted to a 2.3% drop in funding for the annualized 2018 continuing resolution.

After Congress enacts a budget and passes appropriation bills, the CDC creates an operating plan for the funding. Below is a chart of CDC operating plans since fiscal 2016, which ended Sept. 30, 2016, nearly four months before Trump took office. The fiscal 2017 budget would have been enacted under former President Barack Obama; however, Congress passed continuing resolution appropriation bills for that fiscal year after Trump took office.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/

[calfoxwc]

2 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

You are missing Ag's point...

With the pandemic experts gone the Trump Admin lost the ability to anticipate the size of this threat and set in motion the preparation for a massive testing program much earlier.

That travel ban we're discussing in another thread? It bought time to spin up a testing program, about a month, but instead was wasted thinking we could keep it off shore... or at least that's what Trump was thinking.

So instead of having testing to get us ahead in this fight, we're behind.

Tour - really now. Every country on the planet didn't "anticipate the size of this threat"...

due to china's deliberate misleading numbers and refusal to let the CDC help, etc etc. Who could have

predicted that? We have plenty of experts in our country. How can you blame Pres Trump for having leftwing obaMao appointees try to ruin him with lies at every turn?

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/25/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-fire-pandemic-specialist-or-defund-cdc/

FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not ‘Fire’ Pandemic Specialist or ‘Defund’ CDC

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/28/michael-bloomberg/did-donald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/

Instead, Trump has looked within his administration to fill roles for the coronavirus response. 

Last month, Trump appointed his Health and Human Services Secretary, Alex Azar, to chair a coronavirus task force. On Feb. 26, he announced that Vice President Mike Pence would be taking charge of the U.S. response to the coronavirus. 

And the following day, Pence announced he was appointing Ambassador Debbie Birx to assist the effort as "White House coronavirus response coordinator." Birx is a physician and global health expert who is currently responsible for coordinating the State Department's HIV/AIDS task force. The White House said she will be supported by NSC staff in her role.

It isn't like the CDC is only one or two people.

[TexasAg1969]

Unfortunately trumpy has a long history of blaming everyone else but the man in the mirror and constantly projecting his faults on others. The buck never has stopped there and never will. His constant pathological lying about even trivial things has left him as an untrustworthy source of information. This has become more than evident during the past month with the virus. Unfortunate but true. I said before I don't blame him for the virus any more than I blame him for Russia trying to kill off our scale oil industry. But I do blame him for being a dishonest person in a position that requires it in moments of crisis like this. No one with a brain believes anything he says anymore with the exception of the excuse makers who keep him propped up.

[OldBrownsFan]

1 minute ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Unfortunately trumpy has a long history of blaming everyone else but the man in the mirror and constantly projecting his faults on others. The buck never has stopped there and never will. His constant pathological lying about even trivial things has left him as an untrustworthy source of information. This has become more than evident during the past month with the virus. Unfortunate but true. I said before I don't blame him for the virus any more than I blame him for Russia trying to kill off our scale oil industry. But I do blame him for being a dishonest person in a position that requires it in moments of crisis like this. No one with a brain believes anything he says anymore with the exception of the excuse makers who keep him propped up.

Except for the Oval office speech every time Trump speaks about the coronavirus he has CDC experts in the room and they are speaking and also answering questions. Are these experts just going along with Trump's lies? 

[Tour2ma]

First, OBF... gotta love your citing an article that states Trump only tried to reduce CDC funding in his proposed budget, but since the Dem controlled House upped their funding and made it stick that Trump is clean... lol...

But we do agree... it is too easy to blame complete incompetence for being what it is. As for hate... sorry... I know it's inconvenient for your paradigms, but I don't hate your boy. I'm thoroughly disgusted by him, but hate? That's something special I have reserved for one, very special politician...

5 hours ago, OldBrownsFan said:

Except for the Oval office speech every time Trump speaks about the coronavirus he has CDC experts in the room and they are speaking and also answering questions. Are these experts just going along with Trump's lies? 

In a couple instances, yes, or at least they know to stroke his ego. Even Fauci was praising Trump for the travel ban "buying time" regularly when he damn well knows that Pence's job. Then this weekend the Surgeon General started in on the blame game bit... criticism is not blame.

Slowly the contradiction of Trump grew led by Fauci who has become THE credible face and voice of this group. Others have followed Fauci's lead. Now Trump can't touch Fauci.... for now... but Trump has a long memory when it comes to perceived slights. Just ask Jeff Sessions...

Early on there was a woman at the CDC who contradicted Trump's sunshine and unicorns lines and she was "reassigned". I forget her name, but will find it later.

 

That said... today's Corona Presser was substantially different. Trump has finally gotten on board... or at least stifled his own instincts. Problem is he's already done damage to the containment effort.

And he still couldn't help but hedge when he was asked about Devin Nunes' advice this past weekend to "go out and eat if you feel well."

 

Guys... see you tomorow... maybe... spending way too much time here with nothing to show for it.

[OldBrownsFan]

1 hour ago, Tour2ma said:

First, OBF... gotta love your citing an article that states Trump only tried to reduce CDC funding in his proposed budget, but since the Dem controlled House upped their funding and made it stick that Trump is clean... lol...

But we do agree... it is too easy to blame complete incompetence for being what it is. As for hate... sorry... I know it's inconvenient for your paradigms, but I don't hate your boy. I'm thoroughly disgusted by him, but hate? That's something special I have reserved for one, very special politician...

In a couple instances, yes, or at least they know to stroke his ego. Even Fauci was praising Trump for the travel ban "buying time" regularly when he damn well knows that Pence's job. Then this weekend the Surgeon General started in on the blame game bit... criticism is not blame.

Slowly the contradiction of Trump grew led by Fauci who has become THE credible face and voice of this group. Others have followed Fauci's lead. Now Trump can't touch Fauci.... for now... but Trump has a long memory when it comes to perceived slights. Just ask Jeff Sessions...

Early on there was a woman at the CDC who contradicted Trump's sunshine and unicorns lines and she was "reassigned". I forget her name, but will find it later.

 

That said... today's Corona Presser was substantially different. Trump has finally gotten on board... or at least stifled his own instincts. Problem is he's already done damage to the containment effort.

And he still couldn't help but hedge when he was asked about Devin Nunes' advice this past weekend to "go out and eat if you feel well."

 

Guys... see you tomorow... maybe... spending way too much time here with nothing to show for it.

And I gotta love all your unbiased opinions tour. 

But remember this. Things could always get worse. We could have a president for instance like Joe Biden that doesn't know what state he is in at any given moment and shows  early signs of dementia.

If you grace us with your presence tomorrow I'll see ya 😊... I don't know what you are expecting to show for posting on a message board?