'Death Panel' Is Not in the Bill... It Already Exists!!

[Mr. T]

This is what we get when we dont hold our representatives accountable for their actions.

 

Did you know that when the stimulus bill was passed, that they voted on over 300 empty pages? They didnt read the bill before voting on it because they were still writing it.

 

Now look it up and read it, and this is the crap that we get.

 

And you ask why are Americans showing up at town hall meetings and getting angry.-------------

 

Former Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin has come under fire for her Facebook post accusing President Obama and the Democrats of including a "death panel" provision the health care bill. The Associated Press recently ran a ‘Fact Check' article rebutting Palin's claim.

 

 

AP argues that the bill's end-of-life counseling provision has been mistaken as a promotion of euthanasia and thus the death panel assertion by Palin and many other conservatives is false and misleading.

 

 

The New York Times has joined in the death panel bashing. Jim Rutenburg and Jackie Calmes assert the following

 

There is nothing in any of the legislative proposals that would call for the creation of death panels or any other governmental body that would cut off care for the critically ill as a cost-cutting measure.

 

The AP is technically correct in stating that end-of-life counseling is not the same as a death panel. The New York Times is also correct to point out that the health care bill contains no provision setting up such a panel.

 

 

What both outlets fail to point out is that the panel already exists.

 

H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The Council is the brain child of former Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle. Before the Porkulus Bill passed, Betsy McCaughey, former Lieutenant governor of New York, wrote in detail about the Council's purpose.

 

 

Daschle's stated purpose (and therefore President Obama's purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept "hopeless diagnoses."

 

McCaughey goes on to explain:

 

Daschle says health-care reform "will not be pain free." Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

 

Who is on the Council? One of its most prominent members is none other than Dr. Death himself Ezekiel Emanuel. Dr. Emanuel's views on care of the elderly should frighten anyone who is or ever plans on being old. He explains the logic behind his discriminatory views on elderly care as follows:

 

 

Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.

 

On average 25-year-olds require very few medical services. If they are to get the lion's share of the treatment, then those 65 and over can expect very little care. Dr. Emanuel's views on saving money on medical care are simple: don't provide any medical care. The loosely worded provisions in H.R 1 give him and his Council increasing power to push such recommendations.

 

 

Similarly hazy language will no doubt be used in the health care bill. What may pass as a 1,000 page health care law will explode into perhaps many thousands of pages of regulatory codes. The deliberate vagueness will give regulators tremendous leverage to interpret its provisions. Thus Obama's Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein will play a major role in defining the government's role in controlling medical care.

 

 

How does Sunstein approach end of life care? In 2003 he wrote a paper for the AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies arguing that human life varies in value. Specifically he champions statistical methods that give preference to what the government rates as "quality-adjusted life years." Meaning, the government decides whether a person's life is worth living. If the government decides the life is not worth living, it is the individual's duty to die to free up welfare payments for the young and productive.

 

 

Ultimately it was Obama himself, in answer to a question on his ABC News infomercial, who said that payment determination cannot be influenced by a person's spirit and "that at least we (the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research) can let doctors know and your mom know that...this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

 

 

Maybe we should ask the Associated Press and New York Times if they still think we shouldn't be concerned about a federal "death panel."

 

Obama Depopulation Policy Exposed! Red Alert! Ezekiel Emanuel escapes when confronted.

 

[choco]

so obama wants to kill old people, bush wanted to kill young people.

 

we just can't catch a break....

[heckofajobbrownie]

Comparative Effectiveness Research is not a death panel, T. This post is complete horseshit.

 

Now calmly remove the bullet from the chamber and walk out of the book depository, you complete f'cking loon.

 

 

 

[Mr. T]

Comparative Effectiveness Research is not a death panel, T. This post is complete horseshit.

 

Now calmly remove the bullet from the chamber and walk out of the book depository, you complete f'cking loon.

 

 

Its okay hecky nobody is going to call you names in here, just keep up the good work that you do with all of your ill advised assumptions and ridicule. mammas going to get you a warm glass of milk.

 

[Guest mz.]

Classic T.

 

Doesn't refute what you aid AT ALL, as he cannot. EVER. Instead, he makes a stupid joke. Lastly, he'll start a new thread saying the same thing heck debunked in this one.

 

Fun times.

[Mr. T]

Classic T.

 

Doesn't refute what you aid AT ALL, as he cannot. EVER. Instead, he makes a stupid joke. Lastly, he'll start a new thread saying the same thing heck debunked in this one.

 

Fun times.

 

 

Debunked with what? Your own liberal opinions that are based on lies. Thats more like it.

 

You libs are as bad as Bwarney Fwranks and the rest of the Liberal elite, who cannot tolerate any opinion other than your own.

 

And in your own arrogance you will take that as a compliment.

 

 

[Guest mz.]

Debunked with what?

 

Someone who reads/knows what they are talking about.

 

Your own liberal opinions that are based on lies.

 

You libs are as bad as Bwarney Fwranks and the rest of the Liberal elite, who cannot tolerate any opinion other than your own.

 

So the shit you disagree with is a lie, but you're the guy who is telling me to tolerate others' opinions? Get your thoughts straight...

 

 

 

[heckofajobbrownie]

What we can't tolerate is exactly what you say you can't tolerate. The difference is I know what Comparative Effectiveness Research is, and what the bill says about it. You know what you're told by fools, and that's about it.

[Mr. T]

An old saying "believe nothing of what you hear" and only half of what you read.

 

But this is law, so it already exists.

 

And whats so funny about dan heck and mz the pussy's attack over the article is that the one person they Hate the most in the political arena, (Palin) Made a mistake on how "death panels" (figurative language) was placed into the Obama Socialist Care Bill.

 

 

one word- Euthanasia - that is what this Liberal reform is all about.

 

Which one of you three will be the first to roll granny under the bus?

 

Just maybe you guys can get a job on Dr. Deaths (Ezekiel Emanuel, Rahm's brother) death board. This way you can tell all of those in their retirement years that they are useless eaters and their health benefits will be decided by a bureaucrat.

[heckofajobbrownie]

I guess it would be too much to expect for you to realize how ridiculous you sound.

[Guest mz.]

Yes, T.

 

The Obama administration is ready to kill grandma.

 

And execute kittens on TV.

 

And fuck Mickey Mouse in the ass.

[Mr. T]

I guess it would be too much to expect for you to realize how ridiculous you sound.

 

 

No, you just proved my point that you never even read the article posted.

[Guest mz.]

This way you can tell all of those in their retirement years that they are useless eaters and their health benefits will be decided by a bureaucrat.

 

Because doctors are making those decisions now under the benevolent hands-off billion-dollar revenue insurance companies and their lack of bureaucrats.

 

How out of touch are you?

 

[Mr. T]

Let me rephrase this to you heck, you say that this is Comparative Effectiveness Research is not a death panel, by naming it that, is this what you mean.

 

 

On average 25-year-olds require very few medical services. If they are to get the lion's share of the treatment, then those 65 and over can expect very little care. Dr. Emanuel's views on saving money on medical care are simple: don't provide any medical care. The loosely worded provisions in H.R 1 give him and his Council increasing power to push such recommendations.

 

 

Similarly hazy language will no doubt be used in the health care bill. What may pass as a 1,000 page health care law will explode into perhaps many thousands of pages of regulatory codes. The deliberate vagueness will give regulators tremendous leverage to interpret its provisions. Thus Obama's Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein will play a major role in defining the government's role in controlling medical care.

 

And this is how the Liberal Machine repays those of retirement age for their contributions to this great nation.

 

As the man in PA told Specter, Leave us Alone!!

 

This is not about R vs. D This issue is about freedom of choice, and isn't that what all of you libs love to rant for especially when it comes to a womans right for killing babies thru abortion.

 

Or is this just a quik fix for the Liberal Machine for SS & Medicare costs.

 

You are being very hypocritical and your political bias is showing.

 

[calfoxwc]

Yes, T.

 

The Obama administration is ready to kill grandma.

 

And execute kittens on TV.

 

And xxxx Mickey Mouse in the ass.

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And Heckleberry and MosquitoZits want serious discussion? Really?

 

 

Can't just reply to content? If the content is so wrong, why the personal attacks, you two?

 

You two don't seem to want to talk politics, and saying you "debunked" every negative thing about

 

this sick, corrupt admin and leftists in Congress doesn't make it so, no matter how many millions of times you say it.

 

The above extremely ignorant garbage is unnecessary. There may be younger people who may hang out with

 

parents on this board once in while. Heck and mz the pussy, if you two can't just discuss things,

 

well - ZIP IT OR SHIP IT. You are both faking "being debunkers" and you are totally SOAKED IN EGYPT.