There is no suppression going on of anyone’s votes anywhere in the country

[Vambo]

Opinion

HANS VON SPAKOVSKY: Voter suppression? Dems flat-out wrong. Census data gives real story about US elections

[BaconHound]

I think suppression is another term that is misleading and needs to be cast aside.  I would like to see technology embraced and election protocols reviewed to make sure voting is as easy as we can make it.

[Vambo]

1 minute ago, BaconHound said:

I think suppression is another term that is misleading and needs to be cast aside.  I would like to see technology embraced and election protocols reviewed to make sure voting is as easy as we can make it.

Show a picture ID and be a legal citizen easy as can be!

[BaconHound]

2 minutes ago, Vambo said:

Show a picture ID and be a legal citizen easy as can be!

I’m on the fence with the ID aspect of it.  If the DMV would issue a voting only ID, free of charge, with less ID requirements, I’d be on board. 
 

I believe the non-citizen argument is propaganda.  The same as the dead people voting.  If may happen but at a rate so low as to not affect results.  Otherwise we would see tangible court cases where elections were overturned and Election commissioners fired.

[Vambo]

1 minute ago, BaconHound said:

I’m on the fence with the ID aspect of it.  If the DMV would issue a voting only ID, free of charge, with less ID requirements, I’d be on board. 
 

I believe the non-citizen argument is propaganda.  The same as the dead people voting.  If may happen but at a rate so low as to not affect results.  Otherwise we would see tangible court cases where elections were overturned and Election commissioners fired.

There is free ID

Of course you do you're a Democrat.

19 foreign nationals indicted for illegally voting in 2016 elections

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-foreign-nationals-indicted-illegally-voting-2016-elections

WILMINGTON, N.C. – Nineteen foreign nationals were charged with unlawfully voting in the 2016 elections Friday, and a U.S. citizen was charged with aiding and abetting an alien to falsely claim U.S. citizenship to register to vote. The indictments follow an investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) as part of a newly created Document and Benefit Fraud Task Force (DBFTF) in the Eastern District of North Carolina.

[BaconHound]

19 votes isn’t enough to overturn a local alderman race in East Bumfuck New Jersey.

 

[Vambo]

1 minute ago, BaconHound said:

19 votes isn’t enough to overturn a local alderman race in East Bumfuck New Jersey.

 

19 in that instance just imagine how many more that were not investigated and reveled.

There are many more but you will make excuses anyway.

[BaconHound]

Just now, Vambo said:

19 in that instance just imagine how many more that were not investigated and reveled.

There are many more but you will make excuses anyway.

Not making any excuses.  There is a difference between making the leap from 19 to 19 million.  In addition you don’t know who each person voted for.  This narrative is not new.  Every time an election happens illegal and cemetery voting is brought up.  Nothing is done because the secret is it is better argument fodder than it is over turning elections.  Just went through a Congressional race that came down to a few hundred votes.  They were looking at ballots for stray marks, addresses, voter registration, etc..  not once was illegal or cemetery voting mentioned. One of the candidates is a HUGE Trump supporter.  I guarantee if they believed it would’ve helped them win, they would have raised it in the case.  But there again.  I’m looking for objective data, not conjecture.

[Vambo]

27 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

Not making any excuses.  There is a difference between making the leap from 19 to 19 million.  In addition you don’t know who each person voted for.  This narrative is not new.  Every time an election happens illegal and cemetery voting is brought up.  Nothing is done because the secret is it is better argument fodder than it is over turning elections.  Just went through a Congressional race that came down to a few hundred votes.  They were looking at ballots for stray marks, addresses, voter registration, etc..  not once was illegal or cemetery voting mentioned. One of the candidates is a HUGE Trump supporter.  I guarantee if they believed it would’ve helped them win, they would have raised it in the case.  But there again.  I’m looking for objective data, not conjecture.

58,000 non-U.S. citizens voted illegally in Texas elections ...

Jan 25, 2019 — Texas election officials say 95000 non-U.S. citizens are registered to vote in this state and around 58000 of them have cast ballots here since

 

Illegal immigrants are voting in California and 'it's going to happen in your state soon'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/illegal-immigrants-voting-election-integrity

[BaconHound]

15 minutes ago, Vambo said:

58,000 non-U.S. citizens voted illegally in Texas elections ...

Jan 25, 2019 — Texas election officials say 95000 non-U.S. citizens are registered to vote in this state and around 58000 of them have cast ballots here since

 

Illegal immigrants are voting in California and 'it's going to happen in your state soon'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/illegal-immigrants-voting-election-integrity

Again, c’mon man.  The Texas article uses terms like may and could.  When questioned on how the results were tallied, no response.  Then it goes on to say four women indicted on voter fraud,.  When not 58,000?  The California link is an opinion piece by Tomi Lauren 😂

 

[calfoxwc]

oh come on, yourself. try maybe 19 votes by the number of cities in the U.S.

As of 2018, there are 19,495 incorporated cities, towns and villages in the United States. 14,768 of these have populations below 5,000. Only ten have populations above 1 million and none are above 10 million. 310 cities are considered at least medium cities with populations of 100,000 or more.

   Just as a goofy estimate - let's subtract the cities below 5.000. 19,495-14768 is 4,727 large cities.

19 illegal votes X 4727 large cities = 89,813 illegal votes.

that can overturn any close presidential election.

 

[nickers]

7 hours ago, BaconHound said:

I’m on the fence with the ID aspect of it.  If the DMV would issue a voting only ID, free of charge, with less ID requirements, I’d be on board. 
 

I believe the non-citizen argument is propaganda.  The same as the dead people voting.  If may happen but at a rate so low as to not affect results.  Otherwise we would see tangible court cases where elections were overturned and Election commissioners fired.

Why?... We need an ID for everything else...

[Kvoethe]

17 hours ago, BaconHound said:

I’m on the fence with the ID aspect of it.  If the DMV would issue a voting only ID, free of charge, with less ID requirements, I’d be on board. 
 

I believe the non-citizen argument is propaganda.  The same as the dead people voting.  If may happen but at a rate so low as to not affect results.  Otherwise we would see tangible court cases where elections were overturned and Election commissioners fired.

Less ID requirement? What is so difficult now??

[Westside Steve]

Of course there's no voter suppression. It's a cynical plot by democrats kind of like Tom Sawyer telling kids that he didn't want them to help paint the fence.

WSS

[BaconHound]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:35 PM, nickers said:

Why?... We need an ID for everything else...

I think that is very true but DMV issued IDs have a cost associated with them.  If IDs are required, make them free and a bit easier to obtain.

[The Cysko Kid]

1 hour ago, BaconHound said:

I think that is very true but DMV issued IDs have a cost associated with them.  If IDs are required, make them free and a bit easier to obtain.

So difficult. Look if people can't put in such a minimal effort I don't think they should get a say. I bet at least half the people that claim they just can't swing the $8.50 find the money to buy cigarettes. 

[DieHardBrownsFan]

3 hours ago, BaconHound said:

I think that is very true but DMV issued IDs have a cost associated with them.  If IDs are required, make them free and a bit easier to obtain.

So does crack, 40 oz and Newports.........

[Westside Steve]

Without any sort of legal identification whatsoever how do these destitute people get their benefits? 

 And it's not about the 8.50. They want the issue, to pretend that their votes are being suppressed.  (Don't forget there are lots of poor hillbillies too.)  Ironic that if  those oppressed African Americans do vote they vote for the guys that keep them so poor they can't scratch together 8 bucks..

WSS

[BaconHound]

21 hours ago, The Cysko Kid said:

So difficult. Look if people can't put in such a minimal effort I don't think they should get a say. I bet at least half the people that claim they just can't swing the $8.50 find the money to buy cigarettes. 

I consider the right to vote to be constitutionally protected.  If the government requires ID to participate it should be free IMO.  

[Westside Steve]

10 minutes ago, BaconHound said:

I consider the right to vote to be constitutionally protected.  If the government requires ID to participate it should be free IMO.  

 Do you consider the right to own a firearm a constitutionally protected right? If so are you outraged somebody might ask for an ID?

WSS

[BaconHound]

15 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

 Do you consider the right to own a firearm a constitutionally protected right? If so are you outraged somebody might ask for an ID?

WSS

Yes and no.  I’m not outraged that ID would be required for voting, just think it should be free for such purposes.  

[The Cysko Kid]

No. The materials they print it on and the people they have to pay to facilitate the license cost money. Quit crying and scrape up 8.50. 

[BaconHound]

2 minutes ago, The Cysko Kid said:

No. The materials they print it on and the people they have to pay to facilitate the license cost money. Quit crying and scrape up 8.50. 

That’s why taxes are collected. To pay for government services. And no one is crying just staring an opinion but carry on.

[Canton Dawg]

Just now, BaconHound said:

That’s why taxes are collected. To pay for government services.

Yes Comrade!

[Westside Steve]

1 hour ago, BaconHound said:

That’s why taxes are collected. To pay for government services. And no one is crying just staring an opinion but carry on.

 And again don't they need identification to collect welfare checks or food stamps?  Or any of the dozens of other things that have been listed at nauseum?

 And why does it seem that only democrats are up in arms about identification at all?

WSS

[BaconHound]

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

 And again don't they need identification to collect welfare checks or food stamps?  Or any of the dozens of other things that have been listed at nauseum?

 And why does it seem that only democrats are up in arms about identification at all?

WSS

I can’t speak for “Democrats” but I’d wager this would be a larger factor in major cities where driving isn’t a requirement. Now many of those could be strong Democrat districts.

I’m not so naive to believe that there isn’t a  measurable amount of voter fraud.  I just don’t believe it’s a new concept or as rampant as many would have us believe.

We should do our very best to protect the integrity of our electoral process and I have no issue with voter ID.  That is just one component.  We need more secure technology, better on-site staff, greater access and a complete overhaul of campaign finance.