Monday Aug 24 PRACTICE UPDATES!!!

[Dan in Florida]

Monday, August 24, 2009

 

5:44:35 pm Browns KR-WRJosh Cribbs has threatened to consider a holdout if progress isn't made on a new contract by the start of the regular season, but he hasn't spoken about it since camp began. "I can't even think that far ahead," he said. "I'm taking things one week at a time."

 

5:43:34 pm Mike Adams, who is best suited to play FS but is also receiving time at SS, feels indebted to newly acquired LB Eric Barton. "Eric is the quarterback of the defense and I appreciate the little things I pick up from him because I don't have this game down-pat," he said.

 

5:21:55 pm Browns impressive rookie LB David Veikune is making the transition from DE to LB, where he's played both inside and outside this summer. "Things are still going really fast for me," he admitted. "I still have a lot of adjusting to do."

 

5:19:16 pm CB Eric Wright was asked about the 15-yard penalty he received for celebrating an INT Saturday night. "I might have gotten two carried away," he said. "I'm an excited and passionate player, but the fact is I got a flag that hurt us."

 

5:08:35 pm Browns RB Noah Herron has shown flashes of talent since signing with the team as a free agent during the offseason. He has flown under the radar. "The first goal is to make the team, then I can shoot for an expanded role," he said.

 

5:07:50 pm Josh Cribbs said Browns coach Eric Mangini wants his players to focus on what they need to improve rather than what they know they can do well. Cribbs is striving to earn a starting job at WR. "I know I can return kickoffs and punts," he said. "I want to get comfortable at wide receiver so they can put me in any situation and I can make a play."

 

4:01:35 pm Browns QB Brady Quinn has struggled in practice today. His poorly thrown ball was batted away by CB Rod Hood, who is hoping to unseat incumbent starter Brandon McDonald, but could wind up as a nickel back.

 

3:33:50 pm Browns RB Noah Herron continues to be one of the unsung surprises of camp. He just bolted through a small hole for a TD in red zone drills. The long absence of Jerome Harrison from live practice gives Herron a stronger chance of making the roster.

 

3:14:54 pm Browns DB Gerard Lawson just went down in a heap after returning a kick in practice. He was not even hit. He remained down for a short time, but was escorted back to the sideline under his own power.

 

3:12:16 pm Browns WR Brian Robiskie must have been stung by the last Rapid Report - he just laid out to snag a 50-yard pass from Derek Anderson. Robiskie must do some catching up. He's fallen behind Mike Furrey, Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi in the fight for a starting job.

 

3:06:01 pm Browns QB Derek Anderson followed up his strong performance against Detroit by scrambling left and firing a TD strike to WR Mohamed Massaquoi in game simulation. Massaquoi has shown superior big-play ability to fellow rookie Brian Robiskie throughout camp.

 

2:45:41 pm Browns QB Brady Quinn did himself no favors by tossing an INT on his first attempt in game simulation. It was picked off by S Mike Adams, who stepped in front of TE Robert Royal. Quinn rebounded by completing his next three.

 

2:40:21 pm The Browns have a new DB in camp, but he has yet to be identified.

 

2:36:36 pm Attendance at Browns camp continues to be sparse. Many empty seats greeted the team at the preaseason game Saturday and no more than 300 fans are at practice today.

 

2:32:15 pm Browns S Brodney Pool, who left Saturday's preseason game with an undisclosed injury, is neither practicing nor on a stationery bike today. Pool is considered a favorite to maintain his starting free safety position.

 

2:30:55 pm Opening today's Browns practice on stationery bikes again are NT Shaun Rogers, OL Ryan Tucker and RB Jerome Harrison. LB David Bowens is working with a trainer. Harrison continues to fall behind rookie James Davis in the battle for playing time.

 

2:28:41 pm Encouraging sign for the Browns: OL Rex Hadnot is working on a stationery bike. He has been sidelined with a knee injury for a few weeks.

 

2:27:08 pm The suggestion that Browns NT Shaun Rogers is in the doghouse was scoffed at by Browns coach Eric Mangini. "It has nothing to do with anything besides getting him to the point where we want him to be," Mangini said. Rogers has been an absent with an undisclosed injury.

 

2:23:00 pm Browns coach Eric Mangini praised LBs Alex Hall and Kamerion Wimbley for their performances against the Lions. "Alex did a nice job on some perimeter runs and Kamerion increased his production from the previous game," he said. "Both made strides."

 

2:20:09 pm When pressed about the quarterback derby, Browns coach Eric Mangini said it remains very close. He added that he doesn't anticipate a dead heat throughout the preseason, but if one exists, "I'll make a decision based on who I think gives us the best chance to win."

 

2:19:21 pm Browns coach Eric Mangini expressed disappointment over CB Eric Wright's excessive celebrating following an INT that resulted in a 15-yard penalty Saturday night. "What's important is that we celebrate with out teammates and not in any way that create negative results," Mangini said.

 

2:15:03 pm Browns coach Eric Mangini indicated that Josh Cribbs could remain as both kickoff and punt returner even if he landed a starting receiver spot. He added that he also feels comfortable with his depth at the kickoff and punt returner positions.

 

2:09:40 pm Both Josh Cribbs and rookie Mohamed Massaquoi continue to perform well as they battle for a starting WR spot along with others, but Browns coach Eric Mangini said he was particularly impressed with how well they blocked in the win Saturday night against the Lions.

 

1:51:55 pm The 116-yard performance by Browns rookie RB James Davis punctuated by an 81-yard TD run doesn't have coach Eric Mangini tipping his hand about him possibly splitting time with Jamal Lewis. "What I know about Jamal is that he's a team player who will do what's best for the team." Mangini said.

 

1:49:53 pm Surprise! Browns coach Eric Mangini gave no indication today as to which QB - Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn - would start Saturday night against Tennessee.

 

PRACTICE SCHEDULE FOR TODAY - MONDAY

1:30 - 3:30 PM

[OconRecon]

Looks like Quinn had first reps, but DA feeling good.

 

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3:06:01 pm Browns QB Derek Anderson followed up his strong performance against Detroit by scrambling left and firing a TD strike to WR Mohamed Massaquoi in game simulation. Massaquoi has shown superior big-play ability to fellow rookie Brian Robiskie throughout camp.

 

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Anderson looking good. Even throwing TD's in the future! (I'm posting this at 3:01 and he threw the TD at 3:06 - wow!)

[Zombo]

I'm shocked that Anderson has been able to rebound from his "meltdown" where his "wheels came off" last week.

 

Zombo

[RestinPeace]

I'm shocked that Anderson has been able to rebound from his "meltdown" where his "wheels came off" last week.

 

Zombo

 

Considering how unimpressive Anderson has been today, you point doesn't stick. Those "snippets" only tell half the story.

[cmac12]

RestinPeace, have you ever said anything positive about DA? Just curious because I don't recall you ever saying anything good about him without it being tongue n cheek.

[Zombo]

Considering how unimpressive Anderson has been today, you point doesn't stick. Those "snippets" only tell half the story.

 

 

I don't normally respond to tards ... but in case you missed Saturday night, he has already rebounded from his reported "meltdown".

 

You're not helping Camp Quinn with your 7th grade smack. Somebody duct tape the new guy and stick him in the corner...

 

Zombo

[Guest AdaM]

RestinPeace, have you ever said anything positive about DA? Just curious because I don't recall you ever saying anything good about him without it being tongue n cheek.

 

 

Sounds like he's at practice. What have you seen?

[RestinPeace]

RestinPeace, have you ever said anything positive about DA? Just curious because I don't recall you ever saying anything good about him without it being tongue n cheek.

 

If we ran a different offense, DA wouldn't be a bad stopgap(sorta like Brady!!!) but BQ is simply a better fit for this system and what the Browns are "attempting" to do.

 

The inability of people to analyze the QB situation accurately is driving me nuts.

[RestinPeace]

Sounds like he's at practice. What have you seen?

 

Not at practice, my cousin is however.........He has been pretty accurate from the getgo. He has broken down Anderson's problems to a T and we have seen those problems interact with this offensive scheme. Even when Quinn was having his "accuracy" problems early in camp, his behavior in the pocket outclassed DA's 2-1. Yet, nobody EVER mentioned it.

 

Lets remember, I am no BQ fan. I think he is a system QB that probably will need to be upgraded(in otherwords, like DA, he is a backup QB).

[cmac12]

I think he is. That is how I take most of his posts. I am just saying he has never said anything good about DA. So I tend to take it the same way I would take Lum being at practice telling me how BQ is playing. With a grain of salt.

 

He has stated several time that he thinks the QB competition is a sham. Which if it is would make the coach a real idiot for splitting up starter reps.

 

And when everything you see reported by others that are at camp are basically positive and he still comes in with the but that is only half the story posts (not talking about this one but others in the past).

 

I mean if what Restnpeace says is true from all of his previous posts then DA should be bagging groceries and not playing in the NFL. I just find it really hard to listen to anybody who only has negative things to say.

[cmac12]

Just read what he posted after I already posted.

 

I don't really have anything to dispute what he is saying. I actually agree that BQ is a better fit as a game manager. When you look at DAs starts in 2007 the Browns did really well in games where DA threw 25 times or less. With the defense the way it is you need more of a game manager and I do agree that favors BQ.

[LCDawgFan13]

I don't normally respond to tards ... but in case you missed Saturday night, he has already rebounded from his reported "meltdown".

 

You're not helping Camp Quinn with your 7th grade smack. Somebody duct tape the new guy and stick him in the corner...

 

Zombo

 

Meltdown or no meltdown...yes DA started out decently on Saturday. Then he had another DA moment and threw the pick...luckily it wasn't for his usual 6! You can try to spin Saturday's performance whatever way you want, but you have to remember this...we've all seen him have flashes of brilliance before, only to be disappointed when he reverts to his true form. Was Brady good on Saturday? Not really. But he wasn't bad either. As someone pointed out in another thread, a lot of DA's throws were not in stride and receivers had to make a lot of adjustments for them...except when he led MoMass into that rediculous hit! Ask Braylon and K2 about those passes! He seems to like hanging his receivers out to dry! I personally feel that DA should be done in Cleveland. I think Mangini made his choice and was simply showcasing DA a little on Saturday. He had nothing to lose by giving DA an opportunity. DA plays well...He may attract some trade interest when Quinn is announced as the starter. IF he plays bad...Mangini has more evidence as to why Quinn should start. Win/Win situation! Just my personal opinion.

[Erie Dawg]

If we ran a different offense, DA wouldn't be a bad stopgap(sorta like Brady!!!) but BQ is simply a better fit for this system and what the Browns are "attempting" to do.

 

The inability of people to analyze the QB situation accurately is driving me nuts.

 

Ok I have to ask:

What type of offence are we trying too run that DA can't fit into?

Unless we are running the spread offence I think either will do the job just fine.

I want W's and want this qb thing put to rest once and for all, just give me the best guy we have.... thats all.

If we need to look further next year so be it but it's supposed to be one of the best draft classes , as far as QB's go,in a long time.

[Guest Aloysius]

One last update from Rapid Reports:

 

Browns QB Brady Quinn has struggled in practice today. His poorly thrown ball was batted away by CB Rod Hood, who is hoping to unseat incumbent starter Brandon McDonald, but could wind up as a nickel back.

[Guest Masters]

Ok I have to ask:

What type of offence are we trying too run that DA can't fit into?

 

A lot of 3 step drops with quick hit slants, come backs, outs, swing, and screen passes. Really, think NE pre-Moss era offense.

 

DA is great at the 5 and 7 step drop plays where he can go deep. But not so much on the above. If this was the 70's or early 80's, DA would be the wet dream QB for his ability on those deep drops.

[RestinPeace]

One last update from Rapid Reports:

 

 

Uh, Quinn hasn't struggled in practice today. Read my post earlier.

[Guest mz.]

4:01:35 pm Browns QB Brady Quinn has struggled in practice today.

[OconRecon]

Uh, Quinn hasn't struggled in practice today. Read my post earlier.

 

I will agree RR claims first ball INT followed by 3 completions in a row. Then a batted ball = struggling? I'm not sure they've made their case.

 

Seems like this is more micro analysis stuff.

 

This just in...

 

"DA threw a ball at the thighs of his intended receiver in the 2-minute drill"

[AZBrowns]

LOL, if it were Quinn that had that type of performance, all that you detractors would discuss would be his INT, the fact that he stunk it up in the 2-minute and the fact that the Browns were playing the Lions.

 

 

Let's be fair, the competition is about even right now from the looks of it. Brady hasn't done much to impress me; Derek Anderson had a very nice start against Detroit, but stunk otherwise.

 

I think it says more about Brady Quinn than Derek Anderson if Anderson starts. We know what we are getting with Anderson, but how bad does Quinn have to be not to beat out this guy?

 

Anyone outside of Corvallis with more than a 30 IQ knows the book on Anderson and unless he has somehow turned the corner by having two pretty good series against a very bad Lions team, the Browns will be shopping for a "franchise" QB once again next offseason.

[RestinPeace]

I will agree RR claims first ball INT followed by 3 completions in a row. Then a batted ball = struggling? I'm not sure they've made their case.

 

Seems like this is more micro analysis stuff.

 

This just in...

 

"DA threw a ball at the thighs of his intended receiver in the 2-minute drill"

 

Brady is what he is, a solid, unspectaculer QB. Nothing more, nothing less. As I have said via my cousin, he handles the pocket well and runs the offense well. He has done that today, he has done that since camp opened. Brady ain't Manning, but he ain't Frye either.

 

These guys making the twitters are trying to hard.

[Erie Dawg]

A lot of 3 step drops with quick hit slants, come backs, outs, swing, and screen passes. Really, think NE pre-Moss era offense.

 

DA is great at the 5 and 7 step drop plays where he can go deep. But not so much on the above. If this was the 70's or early 80's, DA would be the wet dream QB for his ability on those deep drops.

Just for sake of argument why can't DA run that style?

And from what I’ve read Daboll runs the same exact style Offence as N.E. does now.

 

 

[D'Qwimbley]

Don't worry, RestInPeace isn't a "BQ Fag", he just hates on the whole Browns team.

[Guest Masters]

Just for sake of argument why can't DA run that style?

And from what I’ve read Daboll runs the same exact style Offence as N.E. does now.

 

In theory DA should be able to run that style. But DA seems to struggle when he is asked to make pre-snap reads (which you have to do on short drops) and his short passing game leaves a lot to be desired. If DA demonstrated that he can make pre-snap reads and can consistently throw a catchable ball on short throws (5~10 yard range say), then he could do it. But based on what I have seen of DA those two items are still glaring holes in his game.

 

It won't be the same NE offense today (don't think as many deep balls, but CLE doesn't have Moss and if NE didn't have him, I don't think they'd go deep as much as they do now), but bits of it, along with traditional WCO, and a few other piece parts. From what I have seen and read, Daboll/Mangini want more of a ball control offense, which is built on running the ball and quick hit passes.