⚾ On This Day in MLB History ⚾

[mjp28]

I'm taking a break from   "This Day in Baseball"   ive been busy with football and other personal items.

Will return  soon !    

[mjp28]

...... edit 9/10..... Well before the season is over, 24 games left.    

And now.      ----to continue ---->

Edited September 16, 2022 by mjp28

[FairHooker11]

Joe Carter came over from the cubs with Mel Hall in a trade for  Rick Suttcliff I think? 

just reminds me that the Indians  had / HAVE top notch scouts who found guys like these.

Reminds me also of the huge haul we took from then Montreal trading  (our draft pick) Bartolo Colon for 

Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips - who later became trade bait with Cinci..

 

 

  

[mjp28]

5 hours ago, FairHooker11 said:

Joe Carter came over from the cubs with Mel Hall in a trade for  Rick Suttcliff I think? 

just reminds me that the Indians  had / HAVE top notch scouts who found guys like these.

Reminds me also of the huge haul we took from then Montreal trading  (our draft pick) Bartolo Colon for 

Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips - who later became trade bait with Cinci..

 

 

  

I remember how the Cleveland manager at the time on a talk show said Philips was a trouble maker and he had to go.....but the rest of the deal was great. 

At the time I liked Colon but the deal turned out well.   Colon went on to pitch for a long time. 

[mjp28]

September 16.     And oh those rowdy old-timers.   Some day for a return. 

• 1903 - The Boston Americans whip Cleveland, scoring in each of the eight innings they bat to win, 14 - 7. Boston collects 23 hits to Cleveland's 12.
• 1920: - Chicago's Dickie Kerr tops the Yankees, 8 - 3, the loss dropping New York to 2nd place behind ★ Cleveland.
  • Duster Mails delivers for the ★ Indians, canceling the Senators, 1 - 0,r his 4th win without a loss. Joe Sewell the lone run. 
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  • 1922 - Pennant fever rages in St. Louis, as the Yankees come to town with a half-game lead. Bob Shawkey outpitches Urban Shocker, 2 - 1, as George Sisler ties Ty Cobb's 1911 record by hitting in his 40th straight game. While chasing a fly ball in the 9th, New York OF Whitey Witt is hit in the head and knocked cold by a soda bottle    thrown from the bleachers. Ban Johnson will initially offer a $1,000 reward  for the name of the bottle-thrower. Then, to calm the crowds, the American League offers the theory that Witt stepped on the bottle and it flew up and hit him. The incident leads to a ban on the sale of bottled drinks  in ballparks.    

• 1923 - The Cubs lose, 10 - 6, to the Giants in Chicago, despite the hitting of Hack Miller who collects three doubles and a triple. A riot occurs in the 8th inning when umpire Charlie Moran makes an out call at second base on Sparky Adams, Moran is pelted by hundreds of pop bottles    ★ Judge Landis, in attendance at the game, shakes his cane at the angry mob   and play is held up for 15 minutes. John McGraw and the umpires need a police escort at the conclusion.   

• 1930 - Brooklyn's collapse begins. The Cardinals tie for first place when Bill Hallahan outduels Dazzy Vance, 1 - 0, in 10 innings. Flint Rhem returns to the Cardinals with an improbable story that he was kidnapped  by gamblers and forced to.   drink bootleg whiskey.    
• 1940: - A ruhurb  at Ebbets Field results in a suspension and fine for Leo Durocher for "inciting a riot." Perhaps better known from the game is the photo showing an obese Brooklyn fan astride George Magerkurth, pummeling the veteran umpire.   

• 1948 - Joe DiMaggio. (the old time All Stars)   hits his 300th  career home run, joining Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mel Ott, Jimmie Foxx, Rogers Hornsby, Chuck Klein and Hank Greenberg as the only major leaguers to reach this milestone.  
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• 1951 -  At Yankee Stadium, Joe DiMaggio's long triple off ★ Bob Feller scores two runs in the 5th and Allie Reynolds holds on for a 5 - 1 New York win. The Yanks take over first place for good by a margin of .003 over ★  Cleveland.  
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• 1969 - Juan Marichal blanks the Braves, 2 - 0, as the Giants regain first place. 

1987 - ★  Cleveland's  Joe Carter joins the 30/30 club, stealing his 30th base of the season in a 5 - 3 loss to Seattle.  

2008 - In the last homestand at ♠︎.Yankee Stadium, Derek Jeter passes Lou Gehrig for the most career hits at the storied ballpark. He collects his 1,270th hit in the venue.  

Births 

• 1955 - Robin Yount, infielder; All-Star, Hall of Famer
• 1958 - Orel Hershiser, pitcher; All-Star
• 1959 - Tim Raines, outfielder; All-Star

[FairHooker11]

17 hours ago, mjp28 said:

I remember how the Cleveland manager at the time on a talk show said Philips was a trouble maker and he had to go.....but the rest of the deal was great. 

At the time I liked Colon but the deal turned out well.   Colon went on to pitch for a long time. 

thinking Hargrove (without a google dive) - because of dealing with Albert Belle? 

[mjp28]

6 hours ago, FairHooker11 said:

thinking Hargrove (without a google dive) - because of dealing with Albert Belle? 

Absolutely Hargrove when they used to have those Indians Roundtable  type shows on the various TV networks that covered the Tribe. 

I missed those shows, 4 or more guys sitting around and talking Indians and sports stories......and the different announcers and guests.   Some great stuff. 

[mjp28]

8 hours ago, FairHooker11 said:

thinking Hargrove (without a google dive) - because of dealing with Albert Belle? 

Absolutely Hargrove when they used to have those Indians Roundtable  type shows on the various TV networks that covered the Tribe. 

I miss those shows, 4 or more guys sitting around and talking Indians and sports stories......and the different announcers and guests.   Some great stuff. 

[mjp28]

On the top 10 trades in Cleveland Indians history  according to one source shows :

10. Tito Francona Arrives....the father,  a big reason we have Tito the manager now.

• Date: March 21, 1959....I was 8 years old, saw my first Cleveland Indians game that year.  Some extra trivia for you.
• Trade Partner: Detroit Tigers
• Players Acquired: Tito Francona
• Players Traded: Larry Doby.    ~ AND ~

 

3. Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips Arrive

• Date: June 27, 2002
• Trade Partner: Montreal Expos
• Players Acquired: Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Lee Stevens
• Players Traded: Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew

In terms of how many quality players the Indians received in return, the haul Cleveland picked up in exchange for young ace Bartolo Colon in 2002 is their greatest ever. And while those players helped make up the core of a successful stretch of baseball, they were never able to put it all together and win the American League. Colon, who was a key member of Cleveland's 1997 World Series team, had become one of baseball's premier young pitchers in the early 2000s, and with that, would command a large contract in free agency after the 2003 season. The Indians opted to leverage his skills against the future, trading him to the Expos for three prospects to signal a total rebuild."We are clearly moving to a total rebuilding process aimed at 2004 and 2005," said Mark Shapiro, Cleveland's general manager. "We had to consider players who could bring back multiple pieces, so we can contend in that time frame" (Ocker, 2002).

Each prospect Cleveland received in return was highly touted, though the younger players in the deal would have the most impact in the 90+ win seasons of 2005 and '07.

• Infielder Brandon Phillips had just been promoted to Triple-A before the trade, and Shapiro believed he had the athleticism to play second base, third base or shortstop. Phillips hit just .206 with the Indians, however, and was traded to the Reds, where he eventually became an All-Star and Gold Glove winner.
• Pitcher Cliff Lee was leading the Eastern League with 105 strikeouts and was a Double-A All-Star when the trade was made. Six Cleveland scouts watched him, and he was projected as a No. 3 starter. He instead became the ace of the staff and won the 2008 Cy Young Award. Lee was 83–48 in eight years with the Indians before signing a $120 million contract with the Phillies.
• Outfielder Grady Sizemore was Montreal's No. 3 prospect, despite only being in Class A. "This is a multi-tool guy who is doing a heck of a job competing in the Florida State League," Shapiro said. "We think he's a hitter of the Trot Nixon or Brad Wilkerson type" (Ocker, 2002). Once again, the Indians sold him short. Sizemore became arguably the best all-around player in baseball from 2006–08, as a three-time All-Star and two-time Gold Glove winneColon went 10–4 down the stretch in 2002, but the Expos finished 19 games out of first place as runners-up in the East Division. He was traded to the White Sox after the season, and eventually developed a cult following by pitching through 2018 when he was 46 years old.

 

[mjp28]

OK you've seen #10 and #3 do you agree with that ?  So who's #1 ?

A lot of the top ever trades were involved in the rebuilding of the once great Cleveland Indians into the 90s Indians dynasty and has carried over even to today’s well Guardians. 

 (And the unnecessary rebranding the INDIANS into something else.  Fortunately the Tribe FO and manager Tito Francona have made a rebuilding year into an ALC contender......but that's another story.)

So who is (are) the Number 1 trade in Cleveland INDIANS history  ?     Visual  ?   Lofton ?  Belle ?  What do you think  ?      

 

1. Sandy Alomar Jr., Carlos Baerga Arrive

• Date: Dec. 6, 1989 .... note the date 1989, Ol' Muni to Jacobs transition,  pre-90s, low payroll,  Lofton, Thome, others at near league minimums.
• Trade Partner: San Diego Padres
• Players Acquired: Carlos Baerga, Sandy Alomar Jr. and Chris James
• Players Traded: Joe Carter ..... what ?  Trade Joe Carter ?  Are you nuts ?  (no)

Joe Carter was one of several big bats in the middle of Cleveland's lineup in the late 1980s, but that offensive punch was not enough to turn the Indians into a winner. San Diego, meanwhile, was among the National League's top contenders but finished 1989 in the bottom half of the rankings when it came to scoring runs. That made the teams logical trade partners, and they put together a big deal after the 1989 season that saw the Indians reap rewards for years to come.

Trading away Carter  wasn't the most popular decision at the time, considering he had blasted 151 home runs and stole 126 bases in six seasons as one of the American League's top up-and-coming stars. But catcher Sandy Alomar Jr. and second baseman Carlos Baerga were the first two building blocks in the foundation of arguably the greatest run of success in franchise history, which makes this the greatest trade the Indians ever made. Baerga had yet to appear in the Majors and Alomar had just eight games of Big League experience, but both became impactful rookies in 1990 (with Alomar taking Rookie of the Year honors) and for many seasons to come.

"I'll say this about Cleveland; they certainly. scouted us well.  They got two of the best prospects in our organization," said Jack McKeon, San Diego's manager and vice president for baseball operations. "Our scouts were against giving up Carlos Baerga. When you get Joe Carter, though, you are going to have to give up something" (AP, 1989).

Alomar, who was blocked  by Benito Santiago in San Diego, garnered a lot of interest from other teams after the Indians acquired him, but they ended up getting 11 seasons and six All-Star game appearances out of him. Baerga, meanwhile, teamed up with shortstop Omar Vizquel to form one of the best defensive middle infields in baseball history, and made three All-Star teams himself throughout his 6 1/2 years with the Indians. Chris James was also acquired in the trade, and was a solid contributor for Cleveland in 1990 and '91.

The deal  didn't pan out as well   for the Padres, who finished 75–87 in 1990 despite 162 games and 27 home runs from Carter. After the season, Carter was involved in an even bigger trade, which also was a losing deal for San Diego. The Padres sent Carter and Roberto Alomar to the Blue Jays in exchange for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez. By 1993, the Padres were losers of 101 games, while the Blue Jays were back-to-back World Series champions.

[mjp28]

September  22.     Some memorable events and moments in MLB.  

• 1911 - Cy Young, at age 44, beats the Pittsburgh Pirates, 1 - 0, for his 511th and final major league.  victory.  
• 1925 - Burleigh Grimes of the Brooklyn Robins accounts for seven outs in just three plate appearances. The Dodgers pitcher hits into two double plays, then into a triple play.  
• 1986 - Fernando Valenzuela of the Los Angeles Dodgers becomes the first Mexican pitcher to win 20 games in the majors.
• 1993: - Pitcher ● Nolan Ryan of the Texas Rangers faces just three Seattle batters before hurting his right elbow in what turns out to be the last appearance  of his career. Ryan finishes with 324 wins, 5,714 strikeouts and seven no-hitters.  
• 2000 -  The major league record for home runs allowed in a season is 50, set by Minnesota's Bert Blyleven in 1986.  
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• ●  2013 - With most of the interest now focused on the wild card races, the ★ Indians compete a four-game sweep of the Astros with a 9 - 2 win to hold on to one of the two spots available in the American League. The Indians become the first team since the 1961 Yankees to record six four-game sweeps   in one season.   

2015 -  Hall of Fame catcher ★ Yogi Berra, winner of three MVP Awards who also holds the all-time record by playing in 14 World Series, passes away at age 90. He is just as famous for his aphorisms, and one of them is appropriate for the occasion: "You should always go to other people's funerals, otherwise, they won't come to yours."  

Births

• 1920 - Bob Lemon, pitcher, manager; All-Star, Hall of Famer (d. 2000) 
• 1927 - Tommy Lasorda, pitcher, manager; Hall of Famer (d. 2021)  
• 1960 - Mark Hirschbeck, umpire  from ● Boardman,  Ohio. 
• 1995 - James Karinchak, pitcher. 

Deaths

• 2015 - Yogi Berra, catcher, manager; All-Star, Hall of Fame (b. 1925)

[mjp28]

October  14.  The World Series time.

 

• 1908: - Before the smallest crowd in World Series history (6,210), the host Detroit Tigers are tamed on three hits by Orval Overall, who strikes out 10 in a 2 - 0 triumph. The Chicago Cubs win the World Series in five games. Upset over seating arrangements at the World Series, sports reporters form a professional group that will become the Baseball Writers Association of America.  
• 1911 - The Philadelphia Athletics go into the World Series minus their star rookie first baseman Stuffy McInnis. The veteran Harry Davis replaces him and drives in the first run as Chief Bender tries again to outpitch Christy Mathewson. The New York Giants are dressed in the same black uniforms they wore in their 1905 conquest of the Athletics, and this Series starts as their last meeting ended: Mathewson wins it, 2 - 1. The largest crowd ever to watch a ball game - 38,281 - is at the Polo Grounds. Gate receipts are $77,379.  
• 1965 - Sandy Koufax pitches his second shutout to give the Los Angeles Dodgers a 2 - 0 victory over the Minnesota Twins and the World Series in seven games.
• 1968 - The National League holds an expansion draft for two new teams: the Montreal Expos and San Diego Padres. The list of players taken in the draft includes future Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm and notables like Nate Colbert, Donn Clendenon, Cito Gaston, Dave Giusti, Mudcat Grant, Al McBean, Manny Mota and Maury Wills. The American League will hold its draft tomorrow.  

• 2016 -★ The Indians win Game 1 of the ALCS, 2 - 0, over the Blue Jays, behind the combined ★ pitching of Corey Kluber, Andrew Miller and Cody Allen. Francisco Lindor accounts for both runs with a homer off Marco Estrada in the 6th.
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• 2017:
  • The Astros take a two games to none lead in the ALCS with a 2 - 1 defeat of the Yankees in Game 2. Justin Verlander pitches a masterful complete game and the Astros score the winning run in the bottom of the 9th as Jose Altuve runs all the way from first base on a double to right by Carlos Correa off Aroldis Chapman.   
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[mjp28]

This  October  14  CLE versus NYY`Game through 7 innings 2-2 has been an  absolute   CLASSIC  !  

To bottom 8,  2 out 2 on !  

[Browns149]

7 minutes ago, mjp28 said:

This  October  14  CLE versus NYY`Game through 7 innings has been an  absolute   CLASSIC  !  

To bottom 8,  2 out 2 on !  

It’s giving me anxiety 

[mjp28]

Me too.  Bases loaded, 2 out pitching change.......oh my !     And Clase in !

[Browns149]

Karinchak always does that to me. He just can’t throw strikes 

[Browns149]

Hit it hard. But right at Jose

onto the ninth

[mjp28]

7 hours ago, Browns149 said:

Hit it hard. But right at Jose

onto the ninth

Ahhh yes  Guardians baseball....2-2 in the 9th.     October 14.  This Day in MLB History.   Guardians baseball.   

"The Bronx Comeback and extra innings Win!".   (and carry on)