Westside Steve Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 So I guess it doesn't really matter whose Ox is being gored here but this guy is being persecuted because he spilled the beans that some people in power didn't want spilled. Does it matter to you guys whether it's the Democrats Republicans or just the Deep State / ruling class that's gotten embarrassed by the stuff he put out? https://www.aol.com/wikileaks-assange-last-ditch-battle-000252174.html LONDON (Reuters) -WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange began what could be his last chance to stop his extradition from Britain to the United States on Tuesday, wi... WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Westside Steve said: So I guess it doesn't really matter whose Ox is being gored here but this guy is being persecuted because he spilled the beans that some people in power didn't want spilled. Does it matter to you guys whether it's the Democrats Republicans or just the Deep State / ruling class that's gotten embarrassed by the stuff he put out? https://www.aol.com/wikileaks-assange-last-ditch-battle-000252174.html LONDON (Reuters) -WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange began what could be his last chance to stop his extradition from Britain to the United States on Tuesday, wi... WSS He better hope he doesn’t get extradited here. We all know what happens to people who know too much here. And can hurt powerful people Just ask Epstein. Oh wait, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Browns149 said: He better hope he doesn’t get extradited here. We all know what happens to people who know too much here. And can hurt powerful people Just ask Epstein. Oh wait, CIA must not be as good as we thought haha ( Surprised Joe didn't ask zelensky to turn loose a couple members of the Ukraine hit squad) WSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 I'd say about 97% of the people complaining about Putin killing Navalny have been silent on the Obama/Trump/Biden government's treatment of Assange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, VaporTrail said: I'd say about 97% of the people complaining about Putin killing Navalny have been silent on the Obama/Trump/Biden government's treatment of Assange. they murdered Assange? when did this happen? Any explanation for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 17 hours ago, calfoxwc said: they murdered Assange? when did this happen? Any explanation for this? Yeah, being imprisoned indefinitely because he published some things that were inconvenient for the CIA is sooo much different . You want a better comparison, look up Gonzalo Lira. He was an American citizen killed by the Ukranian government because he (stupidly, much like Navalny) went to said country to criticize said leadership. Regardless, Biden admin had the power to pressure them for his release and he did nothing because it would've been inconvenient for his war effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 23 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: Yeah, being imprisoned indefinitely because he published some things that were inconvenient for the CIA is sooo much different . You want a better comparison, look up Gonzalo Lira. He was an American citizen killed by the Ukranian government because he (stupidly, much like Navalny) went to said country to criticize said leadership. Regardless, Biden admin had the power to pressure them for his release and he did nothing because it would've been inconvenient for his war effort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 38 minutes ago, VaporTrail said: Gonzalo Lira nice narrative, but it is bigtime wrong. I never heard of him before, thanks for the tip - https://www.newsweek.com/who-gonzalo-lira-pro-putin-american-expat-dies-ukrainian-jail-1860496 Who Is Gonzalo Lira? Pro-Putin American Expat Dies in Ukrainian Jail Gonzalo Lira, a 55-year-old Chilean American who was imprisoned in Ukraine after allegedly spreading Russian propaganda then violating his bail conditions, has died in a Ukrainian jail. Lira was formerly a pick-up artist who posted videos to YouTube under the name 'Coach Red Pill.' He was living in Kharkiv when the Russian military launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Lira gained a following by posting content online hostile to the Ukrainian government and its President Volodymyr Zelensky. Lira baselessly branded Ukraine's leader a "cokehead," and described the Russian operation as "one of the most brilliant invasions in military history." Lira was arrested by Ukraine's internal security agency, the SBU, on May 1 before being released on bail. Lira subsequently released a video saying he was going to try to leave the country, before being rearrested for allegedly breaching his bail conditions. Speaking about Lira's arrest, the Ukrainian government's Centre for Strategic Communication and Information Security, also known as SPRAVDI, said the YouTube poster had been charged with "justifying Russian aggression against Ukraine," in violation of Article 463-2 of the country's criminal code. 'Specifically, SPRAVDI said that Lira had justified the Russian attack by falsely claiming the Ukrainian government was a neo-Nazi regime and denied "massacres of civilian Ukrainians by Russian invaders in Bucha and other cities." SPRAVDI added that Lira filmed himself insulting Ukrainian soldiers before publishing the footage on social media. On April 3, 2022, Ukraine's Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova said the bodies of 410 civilians had been recovered from Bucha, a town on the outskirts of Kyiv, and neighboring settlements following the retreat of Russian troops. Taras Shapravskyi, speaker of the Bucha City Council, told Newsweek: "We have official data confirming the deaths of 422 civilians at the hands of the Russian occupiers."' " Lira added that he was tortured in prison by other inmates, which saw him beaten and sleep-deprived, with his "arms twisted the wrong way around at the shoulder." These allegations were strenuously denied by Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, a former American journalist who became a sergeant in the Ukrainian army, in an interview with Business Insider. Ashton-Cirillo said: "In an effort to gain sympathy, Gonzalo Lira made up allegations of abuse and torture. As someone who spoke to him shortly after he was returned to custody, it was clear that he was in good health and treated extremely fairly by the state security services." ********************************************** About the writer James Bickerton James Bickerton is a Newsweek U.S. News reporter based in London, U.K. His focus is covering U.S. politics and world ... Read more ***************************************************** not much of a hero, Vapor. A youtube professional who turns dishonest journalist who was pro putin and russia, and actively lied in his articles about the Ukraine, to the point of being arrested as a threat to the Ukraine at war, denied the war crime atrocities by russian troops, advocated for the Ukraine to be destroyed, broke his probation, said he was going to leave the country..... how is this nonsense the same thing as the russians having Navalny AND OTHERS poisoned (their MO).... that's really nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 on the flip side - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny " Alexei Navalny Leader of Russia of the Future[a] In office 28 March 2019 – 17 January 2021[b] Deputy Leonid Volkov Preceded by Ivan Zhdanov Succeeded by Leonid Volkov (acting) In office 17 November 2013 – 19 May 2018 Preceded by Office established Succeeded by Ivan Zhdanov Chairman of the Session of the Russian Opposition Coordination Council In office 27 October – 24 November 2012 Preceded by Office established Succeeded by Garry Kasparov Member of the Russian Opposition Coordination Council In office 22 October 2012 – 19 October 2013 Freelance Advisor to the Governor of Kirov Oblast In office 4 May – 11 September 2009 Governor Nikita Belykh Chief of Staff of the Yabloko Moscow Regional Branch In office 12 April 2004 – 22 February 2007 Personal details Born 4 June 1976 Butyn, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union[1] Died 16 February 2024 (aged 47) Kharp, Yamalia, Russia Political party Russia of the Future (2013–2021) Independent (2007–2013) Yabloko (2000–2007) Other political affiliations NAROD (2007–2011) Navalny Headquarters (2017–2021) Spouse Yulia Abrosimova (m. 2000) Children 2[2] Residence Moscow Education Peoples' Friendship University of Russia Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation Yale University (non-degree fellowship) Occupation Lawyer politician activist blogger Known for Anti-corruption activism Signature Website navalny.com , NavalnyLiveChannel YouTube information Channel Алексей Навальный Subscribers 6.21 million[3] (16 February 2024) Total views 1.49 billion[3] (16 February 2024) Creator Awards Alexei Navalny's voice (in Russian) Duration: 21 seconds.0:21 recorded August 2013 Alexei Anatolyevich Navalny[c][d] (Russian: Алексей Анатольевич Навальный, IPA: [ɐlʲɪkˈsʲej ɐnɐˈtolʲjɪvʲɪtɕ nɐˈvalʲnɨj]; 4 June 1976 – 16 February 2024) was a Russian opposition leader,[2][4] lawyer, anti-corruption activist, and political prisoner. He organised anti-government demonstrations and ran for office to advocate reforms against corruption in Russia and against President Vladimir Putin and his government.[5] Navalny was a Russian Opposition Coordination Council member, the leader of the Russia of the Future party and founder of the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK).[6] He was recognised by Amnesty International as a prisoner of conscience, and was awarded the Sakharov Prize for his work on human rights. ************************************ so, tell us how the two compare much at all, Vapor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 And once again, "America First" cal proves that he cares more about foreigners than actual Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, VaporTrail said: And once again, "America First" cal proves that he cares more about foreigners than actual Americans. and once again, I called you out to explain, and you run and hide. are you palestinian or not? will you explain your belief that Navalny and Lira situations are alike or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 I can be whatever scares you the most 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 4 hours ago, VaporTrail said: I can be whatever scares you the most so, you say "no mas". got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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