calfoxwc Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 It's what lefties do. They change everything, redefine everthing, and eventually, it ends up making them look ignorant because they do everything for the WRONG REASONS. Sorry, Woody, but it doesn't work. And EV cars are baloney and unworkable and way too expensive. and unwanted. and voting against republicans is severely damaging our country. and man made global warming - is NO crisis. And socialism is fine til the money runs out, which it does quickly every time. Then, the gov has to force the people to STFU and if they don't, they can go to prison, or disappear. something. or lose everything in court. or be forced to eat boiled asparagus with baked maple leaves and government cheese. or something. have a nice day. https://redstate.com/wardclark/2024/02/29/its-official-ranked-choice-voting-on-alaskas-2024-ballot-n2170775 It's Official: Repeal of Ranked-Choice Voting Will Appear on Alaska's 2024 Ballot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 Breaking: Conservatives try to make change to voting structure so that they have an easier time getting elected. More at 10. A conservative group got signatures to add something to the ballot... and Cal has turned that into "ranked choice voting doesn't work" You're either the most gullible "man" alive or a massive idiot. Or both. Of course conservatives are trying to turn this back. People don't like change, even if it's for the better, especially conservatives, by definition But looks like the group pushing for this is going a bang up job https://thealaskacurrent.com/2024/01/04/alaskans-for-honest-elections-final-order/ Any actual reasons why you think we shouldn't have ranked choice voting Cal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 the idea of it is an exercise in wasting most of an election on unelectable candidates, making it easier to the minority to vote as a block to win where in a fair election, they wouldn't have a chance. Apparently, that is why you support it. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/ranked-choice-voting-bad-choice Ranked Choice Voting Is a Bad Choice https://thefga.org › research › ranked-choice-voting-a-disaster-in-disguise Ranked-Choice Voting: A Disaster in Disguise - The Foundation for ... Background. Recent polling suggests that a majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle fear for the survival of the American democratic system. 1 Finding solutions to strengthen trust in the election process is essential to protecting the Republic. Ranked-choice voting (RCV), also called "instant runoff voting," is portrayed as a viable alternative to the status quo, but in reality ... https://thehill.com › opinion › campaign › 3711206-the-flaw-in-ranked-choice-voting-rewarding-extremists The flaw in ranked-choice voting: rewarding extremists In ranked-choice voting, if no candidate gets a majority of the vote, candidates are iteratively dropped from the election and their support is reallocated among the remaining candidates until one ... https://alaskapolicyforum.org › 2020 › 10 › failed-experiment-rcv Report: The Failed Experiment of Ranked-Choice Voting This inherent feature of ranked-choice voting is problematic because it demands that voters have a large amount of information about candidates' differing views. The fact is that most Alaska voters, like most voters in any election, do not follow political races closely enough to meaningfully rank multiple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, calfoxwc said: the idea of it is an exercise in wasting most of an election on unelectable candidates, making it easier to the minority to vote as a block to win where in a fair election, they wouldn't have a chance. The flaw in ranked-choice voting: rewarding extremists In ranked-choice voting, if no candidate gets a majority of the vote, candidates are iteratively dropped from the election and their support is reallocated among the remaining candidates until one ... https://alaskapolicyforum.org › 2020 › 10 › failed-experiment-rcv It's kind of like a primary, reading this link. Also, just my opinion, but there's a bunch of "electable" candidates, who become "unelectable" by media coverage or "the party" (either D or R). The two major parties have rigged debates so "outsiders" can't get on stage. It's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 18 minutes ago, Bob806 said: It's kind of like a primary, reading this link. Also, just my opinion, but there's a bunch of "electable" candidates, who become "unelectable" by media coverage or "the party" (either D or R). The two major parties have rigged debates so "outsiders" can't get on stage. It's wrong. No doubt. We argue left and right but they are all the same, mostly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Breaking: Conservatives try to make change to voting structure so that they have an easier time getting elected. More at 10. A conservative group got signatures to add something to the ballot... and Cal has turned that into "ranked choice voting doesn't work" You're either the most gullible "man" alive or a massive idiot. Or both. Of course conservatives are trying to turn this back. People don't like change, even if it's for the better, especially conservatives, by definition But looks like the group pushing for this is going a bang up job https://thealaskacurrent.com/2024/01/04/alaskans-for-honest-elections-final-order/ Any actual reasons why you think we shouldn't have ranked choice voting Cal? Are you saying people cheat elections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: the idea of it is an exercise in wasting most of an election on unelectable candidates, making it easier to the minority to vote as a block to win where in a fair election, they wouldn't have a chance. Apparently, that is why you support it. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/ranked-choice-voting-bad-choice Ranked Choice Voting Is a Bad Choice https://thefga.org › research › ranked-choice-voting-a-disaster-in-disguise Ranked-Choice Voting: A Disaster in Disguise - The Foundation for ... Background. Recent polling suggests that a majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle fear for the survival of the American democratic system. 1 Finding solutions to strengthen trust in the election process is essential to protecting the Republic. Ranked-choice voting (RCV), also called "instant runoff voting," is portrayed as a viable alternative to the status quo, but in reality ... https://thehill.com › opinion › campaign › 3711206-the-flaw-in-ranked-choice-voting-rewarding-extremists The flaw in ranked-choice voting: rewarding extremists In ranked-choice voting, if no candidate gets a majority of the vote, candidates are iteratively dropped from the election and their support is reallocated among the remaining candidates until one ... https://alaskapolicyforum.org › 2020 › 10 › failed-experiment-rcv Report: The Failed Experiment of Ranked-Choice Voting This inherent feature of ranked-choice voting is problematic because it demands that voters have a large amount of information about candidates' differing views. The fact is that most Alaska voters, like most voters in any election, do not follow political races closely enough to meaningfully rank multiple How is it "wasting" an election? What do you mean here. I'll attempt to engage you on this topic. What exactly is being "wasted"? Also, your first link is Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank. I'm not digging through the others. Anything from Heritage or similar is going to be inherently biased for the reasons I already described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, MLD Woody said: How is it "wasting" an election? What do you mean here. I'll attempt to engage you on this topic. What exactly is being "wasted"? Also, your first link is Heritage foundation, a conservative think tank. I'm not digging through the others. Anything from Heritage or similar is going to be inherently biased for the reasons I already described. bitching about any source that isn't a leftwing source. HOW DARE THEY post stuff that you didn't approve of beforehand ! Do you FEEL that a leftwing outlet will print the truth about ranked choice? It takes a computer to figure it all out.... why the hell would I want to rank ten candidates when I only want to vote for ONE? It's a stupid trick to diffuse results . Utah has found out it doesn't work, too. If only one candidate out of five has my vote, why the hell should I rank #2, 3, 4 and 5 at all? If I don't LIKE them at all, it's crap. Fringe nutjob candidates would always get ranked, always get a number, whereas in real life, they wouldn't get any votes at all. and the recurring votes...what a freaking waste of time. Speaking of time wasted, why ask questions when you should be grown up enough to research the pros and cons on your own, woodpecker? https://www.deseret.com/2024/2/22/24080178/utah-house-passes-bill-end-ranked-choice-voting-for-cities/ https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-a-disaster-in-disguise/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 They can't debate a topic so they just bash the source. Ranked voting sounds more like popularity voting. Our politicians are kind of bad these days, a lot seem to be put in place because of identity politics. If you want to improve the system then you need real transparency and better accountability. That's a real start to change the system. Unless you're totally ignorant, you can clearly see these parties using activism to corrupt every branch of our gov't. Right now nothing is more obvious than the democrats abusing power. I'm sure the repubs do their share, but it's not as noticeable because their corruption is more toward making themselves rich. Democrats want power to go along with lining their pockets and they don't care how they destroy this country doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 You also need honesty, it has to be a rare muslim that's in power and is pro constitution instead of putting their home country first. There is video of them coming out and saying so because there is no accountability. A muslim should have a very difficult time getting in gov't because their belief systems just don't align with America. Todays libs would have you believe it's bigotry and racism that makes me say that, but it's the truth and common sense. I don't harbor a hatred toward any people though I sure as hell reserve my trust. You can't hold an honest debate anymore with lefties though because everything to them is racist or bigotry, that's why they want to start banning speech. It's part of their power and control agenda because they want to control the narrative and not have to contend with little things like truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Jax said: You also need honesty, it has to be a rare muslim that's in power and is pro constitution instead of putting their home country first. There is video of them coming out and saying so because there is no accountability. A muslim should have a very difficult time getting in gov't because their belief systems just don't align with America. Todays libs would have you believe it's bigotry and racism that makes me say that, but it's the truth and common sense. I don't harbor a hatred toward any people though I sure as hell reserve my trust. You can't hold an honest debate anymore with lefties though because everything to them is racist or bigotry, that's why they want to start banning speech. It's part of their power and control agenda because they want to control the narrative and not have to contend with little things like truth. Having said all of that.. One good trait , or thing that comes out of this... When you have factions trying to silence the masses.. You have those few who will ardently seek the truth.. in the end it's the truth were after... Eventually the truth comes out... And this fear is what drives those to suppress the truth... History repeating itself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 2 Author Report Share Posted March 2 The ulterior motive for some, with it - is fringe leftwing perverts can run and get votes, unvetted - let's call it "give perversion a chance" voting. We have enough trouble with the dems who have flagrantly NOT VETTED their candidates, - any dirtbag will do as long as they will do as the higher ups in the dem party say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 12 hours ago, calfoxwc said: bitching about any source that isn't a leftwing source. HOW DARE THEY post stuff that you didn't approve of beforehand ! Do you FEEL that a leftwing outlet will print the truth about ranked choice? It takes a computer to figure it all out.... why the hell would I want to rank ten candidates when I only want to vote for ONE? It's a stupid trick to diffuse results . Utah has found out it doesn't work, too. If only one candidate out of five has my vote, why the hell should I rank #2, 3, 4 and 5 at all? If I don't LIKE them at all, it's crap. Fringe nutjob candidates would always get ranked, always get a number, whereas in real life, they wouldn't get any votes at all. and the recurring votes...what a freaking waste of time. Speaking of time wasted, why ask questions when you should be grown up enough to research the pros and cons on your own, woodpecker? https://www.deseret.com/2024/2/22/24080178/utah-house-passes-bill-end-ranked-choice-voting-for-cities/ https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-a-disaster-in-disguise/ The FGA. Another conservative think tank.... I'm not surprised There also just seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on the process by you. But I'm not surprised again. Can you explain why it is a BAD thing that you can vote for your guy and then pick your second favorite choice? It's different, and you don't like change. It threatens the only two political parties in town, so the establishment, the swamp, is against it. Surprised you're defending that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 10 hours ago, MLD Woody said: Can you explain why it is a BAD thing that you can vote for your guy and then pick your second favorite choice? wow. I already did. Do your own research for a change, instead of mindlessly hawking every lamebrain self-benefitting idea the left comes up with. Generally, I would NOT have a #2. Why the hell should I vote for #2 in the two position? That gets communists a lot of votes just because they run? Ranking them gives candidates a lot of votes, ranked, where they should get zero votes because they are so fringe and out there, it's asinine they are running. You really want to rank a pedophile pervert rapisst and give them a "ten" vote whatever? Sorry, but ranking is stupid. Why you lefties champion a change for just to be proud you made change is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 18 hours ago, calfoxwc said: wow. I already did. Do your own research for a change, instead of mindlessly hawking every lamebrain self-benefitting idea the left comes up with. Generally, I would NOT have a #2. Why the hell should I vote for #2 in the two position? That gets communists a lot of votes just because they run? Ranking them gives candidates a lot of votes, ranked, where they should get zero votes because they are so fringe and out there, it's asinine they are running. You really want to rank a pedophile pervert rapisst and give them a "ten" vote whatever? Sorry, but ranking is stupid. Why you lefties champion a change for just to be proud you made change is beyond me. Ok, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the process AND you've been completely fear mongered into thinking it helps communists, or pedos, or whatever. We aren't getting are further here than you thinking any change is bad just because it's change. You don't have to vote for fringe candidates If your super real America patriot has the support they'll win regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, MLD Woody said: You don't have to vote for fringe candidates If your super real America patriot has the support they'll win regardless Well, that is dumb. Am I the only one voting? And I can only vote for one? cool. Then why in the heyl do I want a different voting system? eh? No, it's about all those radicals and nitwits who happily screw up the electoral process by "ranking" maybe ten different asininely fringe candidates - and not voting for either of 2 or three VIABLE candidates. But, you want it because that is the only way for a gay, perverted, America hater pedophile communist, transeverything sombeitch can get votes? Maybe? I'll pass. Your silly arguments seem to be just a platform to try to make yourself look superior to everyone else you "argue" with. Doesn't work much, except for how you feel better. ENTIRE STATES have regretted the nonsense that is your "new idea". They are ditching it. Just once, think on information without feeling outraged because you don't get some kind of "win" on how you FEEL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, calfoxwc said: Well, that is dumb. Am I the only one voting? And I can only vote for one? cool. Then why in the heyl do I want a different voting system? eh? No, it's about all those radicals and nitwits who happily screw up the electoral process by "ranking" maybe ten different asininely fringe candidates - and not voting for either of 2 or three VIABLE candidates. But, you want it because that is the only way for a gay, perverted, America hater pedophile communist, transeverything sombeitch can get votes? Maybe? I'll pass. Your silly arguments seem to be just a platform to try to make yourself look superior to everyone else you "argue" with. Doesn't work much, except for how you feel better. ENTIRE STATES have regretted the nonsense that is your "new idea". They are ditching it. Just once, think on information without feeling outraged because you don't get some kind of "win" on how you FEEL. You're really insufferable. Still hard to believe you're a real person. I tried to have an honest conversation with you and I'm foolish for thinking I could. Your brain is broken by these fear mongering thoughts around all the groups you find different and scary. It fuels everything you believe, and that's sad. Ranked choice voting makes sense. Anyone with a brain, regardless of political leaning, can see the major flaws in our country's two party system. RCV is the best way to combat that. It also helps out someone in charge that half of the population doesn't hate. There are numerous benefits. But all you know is that it's different. And it might make it harder for your guy to win, because of whatever delusions you've been fed. You're a lost cause. You've been one for decades. It's sad. To just live your life in so much fear. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: You're a lost cause. You've been one for decades. It's sad. To just live your life in so much fear. Sad. so, your arrogant asswholeness keeps on keeping on, eh? that is what makes you a woodpecker. you can't justify your really stupid takes on changing everything, perverting everything, so you go on personal attacks, insults, and self-aggrandizing bs. You still lose, birdie. Ascribing "fear" to being justly disagreed with is worse than stupid. Your slurs have never once made any kind of point in any discussion. The way you always? post is the knee-jerk recourse of losers, you don't have any legit reasoning for arguing. Perhaps you should clean your nest - it's probably full of it, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, calfoxwc said: so, your arrogant asswholeness keeps on keeping on, eh? that is what makes you a woodpecker. you can't justify your really stupid takes on changing everything, perverting everything, so you go on personal attacks, insults, and self-aggrandizing bs. You still lose, birdie. Ascribing "fear" to being justly disagreed with is worse than stupid. Your slurs have never once made any kind of point in any discussion. The way you always? post is the knee-jerk recourse of losers, you don't have any legit reasoning for arguing. Perhaps you should clean your nest - it's probably full of it, too. I'm a fool for even attempting to engage with you. I'm at the end of another one of these cycles where I try and it always ends with me realizing pathetic and completely lost you are. Your ability to bitch and moan about a poster doing something you do constantly, the level of cognitive dissonance you live with daily, it's remarkable. Say whatever you want, but You've been completely politically brainwashed based on these fears you have in your simple little brain. You're fed more and more nonsense and the cycle repeats. And as an old, retired, right wing media addict I'm never going to exist here enough to keep shooting down your shit one after enough. Such a fucking shame the number of intelligent posters on here dropped so low. Instead cal one and enticed other morons to join. Again, I'm the fool for even trying to keep this going. Magic Christian donkeys be damned, it's a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibleedbrown Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I’m a bit behind on all this, but ranked choice. That’s like my top choice is worth 10 points, my second choice is worth 8 points, third choice worth 6… yeah? I like this idea. It means you’ll get viable or at least interesting candidates coming outta the woodwork, free from the constraints of all the weird party shit. We’ll likely get new political parties. Wherever there’s a cause, there will be a party where that cause is their main thing. We’ll get a second amendment party! They’ll have dudes with bazookas in political ads. It’ll be badass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 8 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said: I’m a bit behind on all this, but ranked choice. That’s like my top choice is worth 10 points, my second choice is worth 8 points, third choice worth 6… yeah? No. That's not how it works. Here are some short, colorful, cartoon videos to explain RCV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Talk about a brainwashing...you know it's bad when they have to make a video on an elementary level, especially when kids can't even vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 13 minutes ago, Jax said: Talk about a brainwashing...you know it's bad when they have to make a video on an elementary level, especially when kids can't even vote. Look at the responses in this thread and then ask why the video covers the topic that way? Listen to the way Trump (and other politicians) communicate to their base. This is the best way. The very best. People ask me, how do I do it? I tell them I'm the best. Bigly. And China! Very bad folks. Very bad! (And yes, Biden is a senile old man most of the time) This isn't brainwashing for kids or whatever stupid right wing shit you're on. It's just the at the lowest common denominator. This country is full of morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 40 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: Look at the responses in this thread and then ask why the video covers the topic that way? Listen to the way Trump (and other politicians) communicate to their base. This is the best way. The very best. People ask me, how do I do it? I tell them I'm the best. Bigly. And China! Very bad folks. Very bad! (And yes, Biden is a senile old man most of the time) This isn't brainwashing for kids or whatever stupid right wing shit you're on. It's just the at the lowest common denominator. This country is full of morons. Obviously their targeted group are adults, and that was 3rd grade level. Garbage. You're assuming it's the voting that's broken in our system, put 20 candidates in there and they are all the same. We need better education on what this country was founded on and it's principles, instead you get indoctrination and division. We need real transparency and representation in gov't along with punishable accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 45 minutes ago, Jax said: We need real transparency and representation in gov't along with punishable accountability. And you think we'll get anywhere near that with the current two party system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 41 minutes ago, MLD Woody said: And you think we'll get anywhere near that with the current two party system? If people start addressing the real issues instead of coming up with garbage, doubtful but maybe. But we also aren't going to with any new voting system, it'll only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Jax said: If people start addressing the real issues instead of coming up with garbage, doubtful but maybe. But we also aren't going to with any new voting system, it'll only get worse. You want transparency in government. You want people held accountable. But you don't want something that would increase competition and drive that transparency and accountability. RCV means a candidate that isn't a Dem or Rep could win an election. It decentralizes political power. Could it be that you don't really want those things, you just want conservatives in power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 I think the truth is, Woody wants fringe candidates to get "also running" votes in 2nd - 10th? place. A gay, trans, communist illegal rapist....would get at least some votes, making Woody happy. As always with lefties - their "new ideas" are either change for changes' sake, or a backdoor way of accruing more wealth and power. States tried it, it failed. They are working to stop the stupid idea. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 9 hours ago, calfoxwc said: . A gay, trans, communist illegal rapist....would get at least some votes, making Woody happy. Tell me you're a senile, deranged, conservative voter fed right ring fear mongering propaganda 24/7 without telling me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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