Guest Masters Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Really?Tell me then oh prophet of all things....why didn't anyone make a REAL...note the word real, offer for quinn? I really don't get this quinn adoration...this guy has done nothing,and I expect another poor showing from him this Sunday. Profit of all things? Hardly. Who knows if any reported trade offer is real. But there were at least rumored/reported ones for Quinn this offseason. As I said in the post you responded to, "at least that any new outlet could get a hold of". There were reported for Quinn. There were zero for DA. Doesn't mean no one was interested, but not interested enough to cause a ripple in the press pool. And I have no adoration for Quinn. He's played all of 5 NFL games total. It's the adoration for DA that doesn't make sense. It's just like the adoration for Kelly Holcomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteelers Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 You're a dip shit. We need right side OL and a decent running back. Getting a right side and a RB that are pro bowl worthy won't bring success to the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Banks Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I agreed with everything you said until this. He allowed what, 1 sack his rookie year?? And 4.5 last year? yeah 4.5 is no improvement, but I'm sure I don't need to get into how bad our team was last year....it can't all be placed on him. Bottom line is JT is a stud and some may call me crazy for it but I'll take him over Peterson anyday...this team is not ready for an elite running back, it would just be wasted talent. I respect your opinion. Depends how you rate Peterson. I think he's a once-in-a-generation back. I'm not saying that JT isn't a very good LT -- he is. I would not rate him as a Munoz, Ogden rare breed exception to the LT position that substantially elevates a team at this point though. I'm not at all a JT hater. He's probably the second best football player on the Browns. I do disagree however with the idea that you prioritize LT over RB. A common denominator of the last two years has been Thomas's solid LT play. We all agree. Yet we went from an explosive offense to an inept one from 2007 to 2008. Surely that had nothing to do with JT. So why did it happen? Winslow wasn't Winslow of 2007. Stallworth was a piss-poor replacement for JJ. A decline in the effectiveness of our skilled players, to me, seems to be the big reason for our decline. You might add better competition and another year on Lewis. Another point. Go back to the same draft we took JT. Indy needed to pick up a starting LT that season due to retirment of a very good LT. Yet they drafted a slot receiver with their first pick (Gonzalez) and drafted a LT in the second round (Yugo -- I know this is not spelled right). That guy has struggled over the last two years to stay in the line-up. In the meantime, Manning has continued to lead an explosive offense and start the most consecutive games without injury. My point? I think that skilled players . . . and especially a stud RB . . . can elevate a mediocre offense far more than a very good LT. A weak link at any point in an offensive line can negate even a very good LT's play in the passing game. And because of his draft position JT is going to be eating up a sizeable chunk of this team's salary cap allotment, making it harder to fill the RB, OL and probably QB (add LBer and Safety) holes that this team has. Traditionally, a top paid left tackle has eventually led to irreversible salary cap problems (See Seahawks, Rams and Ravens). A top LT (who isn't Ogden or Munoz) in my opinion is a luxury. Ogden and Munoz were the exceptions because they not only walled off the QB's blind side without help, they were also the team's road grader -- essentially combining the qualities and undertaking the duties of a team's top 2 offensive linemen. For this team to build a running game in the Mangini system we need road graders up the middle and while a spectacular back might not be needed, he sure as heck wouldn't hurt. Until we can run right behind Thomas when everyone knows we are running there to consistently pick up our 3rd and 2 -- like Ogden in Baltimore or Munoz in Cincy -- I just can't rate him as so important to the offense that his value exceeds (or comes close to matching) Peterson's. A top LT didn't stop us from getting every QB we sent out hurt last season or from having a mostly inept offense. If we could have ridden a horse like Peterson, defenses might not have been able to pin their ears back so often. That's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farang Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 You do realize who you're talking to right? In the village of Lumbergh all roads lead to BQ nation.... And he said 'don't bore us...' Must be more than one person behind the lumnuts screenname, unless he's referring to him and Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Romeo might have been a good coach but who really knows? Chud called a terrible game each week and Savage made roster decisions. Was RAC ever really in charge of anything? I'm glad he got his pay-day and retired. He's a good guy and got screwed while he was here. Back to the issue, 10 years of blown drafts, a rush to start young players, and not developing players. That's what the problem is with this franchise. Palmer drafted like a 15 year old fanboy, Butch ran all of our veterans out of town, and the RAC regime was given AWEFUL players and were pressured to play young players too soon. Agreed. RAC made bad decisions with regards to challenges and timeouts, but a lot of the decisions--especially on offense--were taken out of his hands. There was an interesting story in ESPN's magazine a while ago about the Billy Beane effect in baseball, how teams now trend toward a powerful GM who makes the decisions while the manager is relegated to a more minor role. At least on the offensive side of the ball, it look like that's what happened to the Browns. You had Phil's assistant coach coaching Phil's players. The defensive side is another story. Still Phil's players, but RAC's system. His biggest failure was that he clearly came into the job thinking that he could pretty much bring in the system that they use in NE and have it work with the Browns, and he failed to adapt when it didn't work. Kind of like Chris Palmer with the offense. Which, given their coaching backgrounds, shouldn't be too much of a shock. Somehow, working for guys like Parcells, Belichick, and Coughlin doesn't quite prepare you for a career of compromising your original idea...go figure. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownIndian Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 If ever Eirc Mangini too gets fired for failure sometime in the future, can we please stop bringing in people from the Belichek tree ? please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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