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The debate was never over. Some of us simply doubted the initial research back then,

and now it is catching up to today.


We were right. Shep - read this article. It was NEVER "Virtually all scientists in the world"


Global warming scepticism rising faster than temperatures


By Andrew Thomas

Friday, October 23, 2009 04:44


As scientists question the greenness of biofuels, the number of Americans who

believe the planet is warming due to man-made pollution is at its lowest point

in three years, according to a survey.


A poll of the US public by the Pew Research Center reports that only 57 percent

- down from 77 percent three years ago - believe there is strong scientific evidence

that the Earth has become warmer over recent decades and, as a result, are viewing

the problem as less serious.


And to add fuel to global warming critics' arguments, an 'accounting error' in the

way greenhouse gas emissions are calculated has emerged because fuel derived from

plants and other organic sources, including ethanol, is considered to have no effect

on carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, despite producing the same emissions as regular fuels.


The study, published this week in Science, says that biofuels, marketed as a low-carbon

alternative, will actually emit more carbon dioxide than burning gasoline over the coming decades.


While there might be an argument saying biofuels grown on brownfield sites are

carbon neutral because they absorb Co2 from the atmosphere while they are being

cultivated, in most cases, existing forests are cleared to make room for the crops

which absorb less Co2 than the trees they replace.


The problem stems from a basic error in the Kyoto Protocol - and subsequently copied

into European and US environmental legislation - which calculates emissions without

taking the source of the fuel into account.


"We made an honest mistake within the scientific framing of the debate, and we've got

to correct it to make it right," said the paper's author, Steven Hamburg, chief scientist

at the Environmental Defense Fund.


"It literally means you can chip up the world's forests and burn them for fuel without

noting the effect on the world's greenhouse gases," adds Timothy Searchinger, a research

fellow at Princeton University.


Meanwhile, the Pew report claims that the public is becoming less concerned about environmental

issues as the recession continues to bite.


"The priority that people give to pollution and environmental concerns and a whole host of

other issues is down because of the economy and because of the focus on other things," says

Pew's Andrew Kohut. "When the focus is on other things, people forget and see these issues

as less grave."

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Cal, even you are going to have to admit you got this one wrong.


Your title says "only 57% of scientists". This story is a sample of the general public, not scientists:


"A poll of the US public by the Pew Research Center reports that only 57 percent

- down from 77 percent three years ago - believe there is strong scientific evidence

that the Earth has become warmer over recent decades"


Much like evolution, you can find large numbers of Americans that don't believe in it, but very few scientists. Global warming is no different, especially when you focus on scientists working in the field instead of scientists in general.


I know you guys love to pretend that this isn't the case, but you have to make things up to do it, like you're doing here.

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You can think about this while you type out your correction:


The National Research Council just estimated that burning coal and oil imposes at least $120 billion in hidden costs on the United States each year in the form of health impacts from air pollution. And that's only a partial estimate of the full toll: "The figure does not include damages from climate change, harm to ecosystems, effects of some air pollutants such as mercury, and risks to national security." To set this in context, the health-related costs from coal and oil alone are steeper than what the CBO projects the House climate bill would cost the U.S. economy—and that's before taking the dangers of global warming into account.

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dammit, Heck, you do such a nice job of ignoring me when I'm right,


and you let me have it when I'm wrong. I misread the article, I was talkin


on the phone to a friend in N. Carolina. dammit. :angry:

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“It is time to attack the myth of global warming.”

– Expert Meteorologist Augie Auer


So began meteorologist Augie Auer’s presentation to a stunned convention in New Zealand. They had heard faint whispers of global warming denial before, but weren’t those all from a bunch of oil industry kooks and nuts?



Was THIS what they meant by “Global Warming”?





Well not so anymore. The myth of man-made global warming is getting debunked. Auer joins the growing list of experts willing to expose the global warming hoax, one of the most preposterous examples of scientific denial in the history of mankind.


Here are a few choice words from our latest expert meterologist:


“We’re all going to survive this. It’s all going to be a joke in five years.”


“We couldn’t do it (change the climate) even if we wanted to because water vapor dominates.”


Yet the Greens continued to use phrases such as “The planet is groaning under the weight of CO2″ and Government policies were about to hit industries such as farming, Auer said.


“The Greens are really going to go after you because you put out 49 per cent of the countries emissions. Does anybody ask 49 per cent of what? Does anybody know how small that number is?”


“It’s become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,” Auer said.




August H. (Augie) Auer Jr was a Professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of Wyoming for 22 years. He was Chief Meteorologist for the Meteorological Service of New Zealand from 1990 to 1998. Auer has been frequently quoted in the press regarding weather and climate issues. In 2006, he helped found the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition in order to argue claims about man-made global warming.


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The Association of British Drivers

Green Myths On Global Warming — Debunked


1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.

2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn't reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.

3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high). FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind's help.

4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate. FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!

5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth. FACT A report in the journal 'Science' in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What's more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.

6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.

7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through 'global warming' FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.

8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes. FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are 'just another tax' on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.

9 MYTH Scientists on the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issue reports that say 'global warming' is real and that we must do something now. FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings.

The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.

10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true. FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.

Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public ... as H L Mencken said "the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" ... the desire to save the world usually fronts a desire to rule it.









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