AdamDrizzy Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I am from Buffalo I went to Cleveland about 2 months ago to the House of Blues for a concert (Bleeding Through) Walked the city...reminds me alot of Buffalo except for the fact that Cleveland has a crazy tall bank skyscraper which rocks I also loved the waterfront stadium and the rock and roll HOF I don't understand how our cities are on the fastest dying lists. Are you losing population like Buffalo supposedly is? Sorry if this off topic Just liked to share my Cleveland story. Cleveland is a nice city with great landscaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 some of it is simply people leaving the city proper and moving to suburbs. But not all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't understand how our cities are on the fastest dying lists. Are you losing population like Buffalo supposedly is? The entire Cleveland metro area population is declining. Same as Buffalo and Pittsburgh. Portland, Oregon's metro area population is now larger than Cleveland's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamDrizzy Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't understand how our cities are on the fastest dying lists. Are you losing population like Buffalo supposedly is? The entire Cleveland metro area population is declining. Same as Buffalo and Pittsburgh. Portland, Oregon's metro area population is now larger than Cleveland's. Pittsburgh is also an awesome city ( I know you hate it though lol ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamDrizzy Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 CLEVELAND - 450,000 PEOPLE BUFFALO - 280,000 PEOPLE PITTSBURGH - 316,000 PEOPLE PORTLAND - 533,000 PEOPLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoth Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Those numbers for Cleveland are misleading -- they don't include all the suburbs which are a part of the sprawl. Like it's been said, everyone's leaving the metro area and moving to the suburbs, while the old people all move south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Metro area population as of July 2007: 20 Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA Baltimore Metro MD 02,668,056 02,552,996 A225+4.51% Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA 21 Denver-Aurora, CO MSA The Front Range,Denver Metropolitan Area, Mile-High Area CO 02,464,866 02,179,342 A077+13.10% Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA 22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA Greater Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Tri-State, Metro Pittsburgh, Three Rivers Region PA 02,355,712 02,431,087 A348-3.10% Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA CSA 23 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA Portland Metro Area, Greater Portland OR-WA 02,175,113 01,927,881 A084+12.82% ZZZ 24 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA Greater Cincinnati, The Tri-State OH-KY-IN 02,133,678 02,009,654 A193+6.17% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA 25 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA Greater Cleveland OH 02,096,471 02,148,010 A338-2.40% Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA and Buffalo comes in at #46 46 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA Western New York,Niagara Frontier,Buffalo-Niagara NY 01,128,183 01,170,109 A351-3.58% Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdaM Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 All 3 Cities used to be heavily industrial (steel/coal) and those industries in respective cities have declined. Its just been a slow/steady departure of people looking for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Metro area population as of July 2007: 20 Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA Baltimore Metro MD 02,668,056 02,552,996 A225+4.51% Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA 21 Denver-Aurora, CO MSA The Front Range,Denver Metropolitan Area, Mile-High Area CO 02,464,866 02,179,342 A077+13.10% Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA 22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA Greater Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Tri-State, Metro Pittsburgh, Three Rivers Region PA 02,355,712 02,431,087 A348-3.10% Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA CSA 23 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA Portland Metro Area, Greater Portland OR-WA 02,175,113 01,927,881 A084+12.82% ZZZ 24 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA Greater Cincinnati, The Tri-State OH-KY-IN 02,133,678 02,009,654 A193+6.17% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA 25 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA Greater Cleveland OH 02,096,471 02,148,010 A338-2.40% Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA and Buffalo comes in at #46 46 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA Western New York,Niagara Frontier,Buffalo-Niagara NY 01,128,183 01,170,109 A351-3.58% Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA You can find that, but can't find a mention about Derek Anderson on a 49rs message board any where on the net? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasdogg Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Portland has - without question - the worst traffic planners on the planet. Somebody was smoking some serious grass designing those freeways. I am there once a month and the morning and afternoon traffic sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Just liked to share my Cleveland story. Cleveland is a nice city with great landscaping. Compared to Buffalo, it probably is. I am a Clevelander, and always will be even though i don't live there anymore. It is near dead because there isn't any tax money there anymore while keeping it affordable....just like Buffalo. Industry is leaving and people don't have jobs that pay adequate taxes.....it isn't hard to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Metro area population as of July 2007: 20 Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA Baltimore Metro MD 02,668,056 02,552,996 A225+4.51% Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA 21 Denver-Aurora, CO MSA The Front Range,Denver Metropolitan Area, Mile-High Area CO 02,464,866 02,179,342 A077+13.10% Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA 22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA Greater Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Tri-State, Metro Pittsburgh, Three Rivers Region PA 02,355,712 02,431,087 A348-3.10% Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA CSA 23 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA Portland Metro Area, Greater Portland OR-WA 02,175,113 01,927,881 A084+12.82% ZZZ 24 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA Greater Cincinnati, The Tri-State OH-KY-IN 02,133,678 02,009,654 A193+6.17% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA 25 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA Greater Cleveland OH 02,096,471 02,148,010 A338-2.40% Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA and Buffalo comes in at #46 46 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA Western New York,Niagara Frontier,Buffalo-Niagara NY 01,128,183 01,170,109 A351-3.58% Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA You can find that, but can't find a mention about Derek Anderson on a 49rs message board any where on the net? Is there a stat which shows urban flight% ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieDawg Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 On my first trip to Cleveland last year, I was amazed at how empty dowtown was all weekend. Me and G-Man got up early on the Saturday and "hit the town" at 8am. I was kind of expecting a New York / Chicago experience. Man, it was a ghost town, just some shady looking dudes clocking us pasty out of town white boys walking round looking for somewhere open for breakfast! (which we couldn't find) I put it down to people working in the city but not living in the city. Is it also that quiet in the week? As Shep says, it has much to be excited about re hotels / sports / music venues / museums etc etc so it would be sad to see it decline. Re the feral gangbangers, does downtown Cleveland have major issues here? I have to admit to complete naiveity here, me and the G-Man walked everywhere at all hours, usually intoxicated, last year. Were we being stupid, are taxis the way forward next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 are taxis the way forward next week? I would take them after 9PM or so. A few bucks spent on a cab is better than getting punched in the face and robbed. There really are no late night spots to eat as you found out...best keep a little something in the room if a late night snack is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamDrizzy Posted November 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I can think of a few other places that meet that description too! Unfortunately traffic planning is usually an afterthought of economic development. And no one designs for rush hour traffic (if we did, we'd have MASSIVE highways that are underutilized all but 6 hours a day). I haven't been to Cleveland since...man...I don't remember. It can't be much worse than it was back in the 80's. I went during the afternoon and reminded alot like Buffalo morning though... its dead luckily in new york...our bars are open until 4 am so its pretty busy at night time Thank you NYC laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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