Phil Taylor Torn Pec

[professor_g]

All over twitter. Mary Kay says agent has confirmed.

 

This sucks so bad.

[brownfish]

I can not remember hearing about so many torn pecs in the NFL are these guys just trying to overdo it during workouts? Is our training staff inept? I'm glad someone in the organization is clairvoyant and picked up Old Man "john hughes"

 

confirmed happened during weight room training... the trainers should be fired 20 years working as an athletic trainer and never had a kid tear a muscle under my watch.

 

i'm hoping it wssn't a complete tear off the sternum...just don't understand why they aren't using narrow grips and using a bump plate on their chest...when those kids where doing reps at the combine i saw two kids out of like 12 that day not doing it correctly and wouldn't you know it one of those kids tore his pec...not the kids fall that trainer should have gotten punched in the face for letting them do that.

[cambridgeho]

Now huges and Winn seem pretty smart picks. If its torn he should be back by Oct-Nov.

[professor_g]

I was thinking of Hughes as a back-up for Rubin, and Grossi seems to agree:

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1081

[Zombo]

Browns defensive tackle Phil Taylor could be lost for the season after suffering a pectoral muscle injury during the team’s offseason conditioning workout on Thursday.

 

The Browns confirmed the injury, first reported by Fox 8’s John Telich, but would not speculate on whether the injury is a complete tear. A torn pectoral would sideline Taylor for the season.

 

“(Taylor) injured his left pectoral today lifting weights as part of the club’s offseason program. He will be further evaluated on Monday to determine a course of treatment,” said the club’s statement.

 

Linebacker D’Qwell Jackson missed the final 10 games of 2009 when he suffered a torn pectoral muscle. The next training camp, Jackson tore the pec on the other side of his chest and missed the entire season.

 

Taylor, the Browns’ No. 1 draft pick in 2011, was hoping to elevate his game from what was universally considered a good rookie season. He started all 16 games and finished seventh on defense with 59 tackles. He added four sacks and one forced fumble. Taylor was voted to severall all-rookie teams.

 

Taylor played the so-called “three-technique” tackle spot next to “one-technique” tackle Ahtyba Rubin. Theoreticaly, Taylor would be freed up to shoot his gap between center and guard and apply more pressure on the quarterback. Rubin had five sacks in his role, however, facing more double teams.

 

The injury could thrust sixth-round draft pick Billy Winn into competition for the starting spot with returning backup Scott Paxson. Third-round pick John Hughes, also a tackle, most likely was earmarked to be Rubin’s backup, though he could join the competition, too.

 

http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=1081

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

No, not Phil. His twitter account is sooo funny, he seems like he would be a cool guy to hang with.

[halfsane]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Here, I made it easier for you. no button

[Zombo]

Here, I made it easier for you. no button

 

I just pressed it 15 times ... did not make me feel any better.

 

Zombo

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

I just pressed it 15 times ... did not make me feel any better.

 

Zombo

You were supposed to press it 16 times...

[cambridgeho]

Do you think they are on the phone with Albert Hanesworth yet?

[choco]

Dems da breaks

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

All over twitter. Mary Kay says agent has confirmed.

 

This sucks so bad.

Oh yeah, Daquan Bowers just tore his ACL, wow players can't catch a break lately.

[The Gipper]

Yes, I agree that there is no way that these guys should be overdoing it so much that they would tear or rip muscles.

Something is wrong with the training if that is happening.

 

And yes, now The Sausage King really may now have to stand and deliver.

[The Gipper]

Oh yeah, Daquan Bowers just tore his ACL, wow players can't catch a break lately.

 

Is Daquan Bowers one of ours? Don't recall that name.

[miktoxic]

these guys need to stay on some type of physical regiment all year long. not saying that taylor or most don't, but to sit around for 4 months and eat bon bons and the next day you're thrust back into the gym trying to outdo numbers in the weight room from last years end of season numbers is ridiculous.

 

isn't that why they play preseason games, to get these guys up to speed? why not the same with conditioning?

 

someone needs to get fired over this shit.

[cambridgeho]

Oh yeah, Daquan Bowers just tore his ACL, wow players can't catch a break lately.

His was an achilies i think, either or shit is insane. Had to figure the Browns were doomed.

[calfoxwc]

"grumble....dammit.....demote the strength and conditioning coach to assistant to the assistant.....son of a ...."

[Harry Buffalo]

I can not remember hearing about so many torn pecs in the NFL are these guys just trying to overdo it during workouts? Is our training staff inept? I'm glad someone in the organization is clairvoyant and picked up Old Man "john hughes"

 

confirmed happened during weight room training... the trainers should be fired 20 years working as an athletic trainer and never had a kid tear a muscle under my watch.

 

i'm hoping it wssn't a complete tear off the sternum...just don't understand why they aren't using narrow grips and using a bump plate on their chest...when those kids where doing reps at the combine i saw two kids out of like 12 that day not doing it correctly and wouldn't you know it one of those kids tore his pec...not the kids fall that trainer should have gotten punched in the face for letting them do that.

 

Well I assume you don't have kids who are putting up 300-400 pounds on a consistent basis. The more weight the higher risk of injury. They also don't use narrow grip because that is an isolated tricep lift, the wider the grip the more the chest is used. The chest is needed more in pushing motions on the football field. You also don't want to use pump plates, planks, ect, because the point is to lift something you can handle. When you use those planks and plates it takes away from your stabilizing muscles which are very important when it comes to sports.

 

When it comes down to it injuries like this happen. Training staff can't be blames for freak accidents. I tend to completely ignore barbell bench because of the strain it puts on my chest and shoulder with my hands being in a fixed position. I only use the barbell bench for declines and that is still rare. I always use dumbbells instead because you get a better range of motion on the chest because you can bring the weights together and there is less strain on the shoulders and chest because you can move the weights out to the side and drop them if they get too heavy. But dumbbells don't build bench strength like barbells do and they are necessary for the sport of football.

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

How severe is the tear.

[hoorta]

Well I assume you don't have kids who are putting up 300-400 pounds on a consistent basis. The more weight the higher risk of injury. They also don't use narrow grip because that is an isolated tricep lift, the wider the grip the more the chest is used. The chest is needed more in pushing motions on the football field. You also don't want to use pump plates, planks, ect, because the point is to lift something you can handle. When you use those planks and plates it takes away from your stabilizing muscles which are very important when it comes to sports.

 

When it comes down to it injuries like this happen. Training staff can't be blames for freak accidents. I tend to completely ignore barbell bench because of the strain it puts on my chest and shoulder with my hands being in a fixed position. I only use the barbell bench for declines and that is still rare. I always use dumbbells instead because you get a better range of motion on the chest because you can bring the weights together and there is less strain on the shoulders and chest because you can move the weights out to the side and drop them if they get too heavy. But dumbbells don't build bench strength like barbells do and they are necessary for the sport of football.

 

Red= There's the problem. Guys are training with so much weight now, there's no margin for error, you can increase muscle strength- AFAIK, you can't increase connective tissue strength. You're sacrificing flexibility for strength. Injuries like torn pecs and torn biceps were unheard of in the 60's.

 

And there's far too many of these "freak accidents" league wide to hold training staffs blameless. "What's the best you've ever benched?" "375." "Aw, come on, you can do 400."

[Dste Ace]

And so it begins.

[ballpeen]

 

 

And there's far too many of these "freak accidents" league wide to hold training staffs blameless. "What's the best you've ever benched?" "375." "Aw, come on, you can do 400."

 

 

I agree. These goofball strength coaches get these guys all jacked up to the point their muscles are as tight as piano strings. When the heck is some team going to see that range of motion and flexibility are important??

 

If I owned a team I would mandate to all strength coaches the weight needs to be reduced by 25%. I would also mandate all players take yoga or judo, or both. Both are a great way to stretch out your muscles and increase your range of motion. As a matter of fact, I would hire them as coaches on the team and place the strength goofballs under their direction.

 

Sure, being strong is important. The problem is Taylor is now about as weak as it gets. A 12 year old can now push more weight off his chest then can Taylor.

 

I am tired of it....I can see the goofball strength guy yelling, eyes about to pop out of his head...."Give me one more!!"

 

Idiots.

[roach]

I would also mandate all players take yoga or judo, or both. Both are a great way to stretch out your muscles and increase your range of motion.

 

i'd give up my Steelers ticket to watch defensive linemen take yoga and judo. Those guys are usually funny to begin with.

[Harry Buffalo]

Red= There's the problem. Guys are training with so much weight now, there's no margin for error, you can increase muscle strength- AFAIK, you can't increase connective tissue strength. You're sacrificing flexibility for strength. Injuries like torn pecs and torn biceps were unheard of in the 60's.

 

And there's far too many of these "freak accidents" league wide to hold training staffs blameless. "What's the best you've ever benched?" "375." "Aw, come on, you can do 400."

 

Well when the other guy is benching 400 it makes sense to push your guy to lift more. I guarantee though this training staff isn't forcing anyone to put up weight they don't think they can get safely. How much a player puts up is up to the player and the training isn't and shouldn't try to hold them back. If they said "The limit is 375, nothing above that" then in a year or two you would be seeing how the Browns keep getting pushed around on the field and would be complaining about it. You can't hold training staffs responsible for injuries like this. Saying that would be saying they need to be able to read minds and body language. Players responsibility ask for help when it's needed and to warm up the muscles properly to keep this stuff from happening.

[Unsympathetic]

Harry is 100% right.

 

Yes, Phil needs flexibility. Yes, he needs a full range of motion. Shocking. He should already be doing yoga.

 

The bottom line is that the motion of the complete flat bench [no plates, no close grip] is exactly one of few athletic motions Phil needs to be very strong in during his work. OL and DL are the only positions in any sport [you could argue that a defenseman in lacrosse needs this as well and that's it] where the requirement of the role is to explode with power with both hands at the same time.

 

No way exists to "simulate" or to "increase stabilizing muscles" - think about it, the way you stabilize when doing the full strength lift is.. to lift at full strength. If you're lifting at 75%, you're only stabilizing for that 75% weight. High weight flat bench is essential for OL and DL. The argument for decreasing weight is the same argument in support of a back brace during heavy squat -- also a stupid idea, because the entire point of the lift is to increase the legs and all stabilizing muscles as a system, not just one in isolation.

[1 more season]

I do yoga and plyos gave up the big plates a few years ago.

[Soju]

is the strength and conditioning coach fired yet?

[The Gipper]

I agree. These goofball strength coaches get these guys all jacked up to the point their muscles are as tight as piano strings. When the heck is some team going to see that range of motion and flexibility are important??

 

If I owned a team I would mandate to all strength coaches the weight needs to be reduced by 25%. I would also mandate all players take yoga or judo, or both.

Tai Chi or kung fu would be better.

 

Both are a great way to stretch out your muscles and increase your range of motion. As a matter of fact, I would hire them as coaches on the team and place the strength goofballs under their direction.

 

Sure, being strong is important. The problem is Taylor is now about as weak as it gets. A 12 year old can now push more weight off his chest then can Taylor.

 

I am tired of it....I can see the goofball strength guy yelling, eyes about to pop out of his head...."Give me one more!!"

 

Idiots.

[Harry Buffalo]

Anyone saying thee strength and conditioning coaches need to be fired are idiots and I would really like to see you guys run a team so I could see the weak ass pussies you put out on the field. Yoga and Tia Chi isn't going to build your strength like weight lifting is. Teams would blow past any team that did their strength conditioning in this way. One fucking guy has a lifting injury, a freak injury that could happen to anyone on any team in this league, and you call for the strength coach to be fired.

 

I will say it one last time, if you think the strength coach should be fired because of this you obvious don't know enough about weight lifting and strength training in general to even share your opinion on the matter.