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16 minutes ago, Gunz41 said:

But you are failing to answer the questions at hand. I never said that White RBs last. I never said anything about Jim Brown. And I never said anything about OBJ not being great.

But if you want to be taken seriously, then answer a few questions.

What is it that you have seen to show that Hunt is the most complete, dominant back (or whatever the words were you used) in the league and since Faulk? Because there is no evidence of that, as shown by the statistics.

You referenced no white RB being sustained since Riggins. Have no issue agreeing with you there, but if you are going to use that to prove a point (even though I don't think his skin color applies), then how can using his violent history not be the same thing? And the thing is, there is actual evidence to support it with Hunt. And I am not saying he doesn't deserve this 2nd chance.

You say Hill is great and OBJ are both great. But YOU are the one who said trade Beckham to Chiefs for Hill like it should be an easy thing. So again I will ask, WHY WOULD THE CHIEFS DO THAT? 

And again for posterity sake, explain how what McCaffrey did this year isn't sustainable, or how his career has been more impressive than Hunt, yet Hunt is the one you seem to bet on going forward.

Kareem Hunt has a legendary stiff-arm.  Never fumbles.  Pure receiver.  Potential for growth.  Only 24.  Pay him and Chubb.

14 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

McCaffey was all Pro this year.  What is it about his game  that you think is non-sustainable?

I hope CM stays healthy.  Hunt just plays so tough.  Reid knows how good he is.  You know he was sad he left.  Hunt is a lot like Brian Westbrook.

1 hour ago, Gunz41 said:

That is your reply? So when you cant refute it you just throw something random out?

Ok, I'll bite. White RBs don't last. Neither do RBs who are caught on camera abusing women.

But you obviously missed the entire point. How did they "dominating" go when the Browns already had the 2? But nobody ever said Hunt wasn't a good player. But his best year doesn't compare to just the one person I named. You talking about him makes him sound like the best back in the league.

And please try and explain why the Chiefs would want to trade Hill for OBJ? What is the benefit for them?

I love Riggins.  White RB's historically don't last.  Jim Brown wasn't exactly a Boy Scout with women.  OBJ is great.  Tyreek is great and plays nasty.  Like Hunt.

On 1/15/2020 at 2:37 PM, Gunz41 said:

Come on man, good try with your trolling. But KC isn't going to do that trade, and your dominance has no merit. With both, the Browns went 4-4. 

Just take the last 3 games (around the time he said people taking plays off).

9 carries 26 yards, 15 catches 127 yards

Want the whole season?

43 carries 179 yards 2 TDs, 37 catches 285 yards 1 TD

So an average of 5.4 Carries 22.4 yards, 4.6 catches 35.6 yards

Care to compare to McCaffrey since you mentioned him?

Average: 17.9 carries 86.9 yards, 7.3 catches 62.9 yards.

Last 3 games: 41 carries 167 yards 3 TD, 30 catches 279 yards 

Or let's look at the best season for each:

KH: 272 carries 1327 yards 8 TD, 53 catches 455 yards 3 TDs

CM: 287 carries 1387 yards 15 TD, 116 catches 1005 yards 4 tds

CM is white.  Outside of Riggins, white RB's don't last.

Not having Hunt is a factor for Mahomes against the Titans.  Big-time play maker.

Hunt, Chubb and Hill.

Tyreek Hill reminds me of a faster Steve Smith.  Makes catches in traffic and runs after catch.  Trade Beckham for Hill 2020.

On 1/10/2020 at 9:02 PM, Tour2ma said:

Cap genius alert!

 

Teams can only afford to roster one feature back at a time. I cast my lot with Chubb because he's the better, stronger runner who can also catch traditional RB routes more than well enough.

Hunt is the better receiving back, but I can find receiving backs for 3rd downs in every draft.

Just my $0.02...

Hunt is elite.  Trading Beckham for Tyreek Hill is the move.  Reunited.  Hunt and Hill were special together.  Mayfield thrives with Mahomes leftovers.  

If Beckham wants to go, this is the dream scenario.  Andy Reid coached T.O.   He'd love Odell.  Tyreek can score from anywhere.  He would make the offense nasty.

  Hunt is a more complete back.  Team him with Chubb and dominate for a decade.  Please pay them both.

2 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

This has to be the weirdest troll job I've ever seen. 

What up, Dutch.  I'm not supposed to be here today. Name a more complete offensive player than Hunt on the team.

Hunt is the hardest to defend, most complete back since Faulk.  As good a receiver as McCaffery and can run the ball all day.  Chubb is awesome, Hunt is a little better.  Pay Hunt now.

On 12/30/2019 at 9:15 AM, Tour2ma said:

There is that, but that'll be addressed in the size of the guaranteed money. Any salary risk is mitigated by the League's Personal Conduct Policy clauses.

Who's the better running back?  Hunt or Chubb?  Receiving.  Stiff-arm.  No fumbles.  Big plays.  Please keep both.  

25 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

PoG thinks your obsession towards Hunt is creepy, and he had 30 pages on drafting Saquon Barkely. 

Hunt is a warrior.  Barkley is an athlete.  Hunt does no wrong on the field.  Period.  Pay him.  He's the best in the game.

Does having seen Jim Brown live spoil you towards a Kareem Hunt.  Today's prototype.  Lot better receiver then Jim.  Stiff-arm.  Maybe best inside out back in decades.

Kareem Hunt has Marshall Faulk type receiving skills. The best stiff arm in the game, bar none. A rushing title. Never fumbles. He's 24. What am I missing?

Just sign him today and get it over with.  

He's the best running back in the NFL.  Period.

4 hours ago, Tour2ma said:

There've been maybe two "generational" OGs in the modern era... Steve Hutchinson and John Hannah... plus a handphul oph runnerups...

Nelson may well be a 3rd, but he has a ffffffffffffew more years of excelling to go.

 

Welcome back "f" key...

You brought up Hutchinson and Hannah for a reason.  Nelson was that guy in the womb.  Born destroyer and his college tape bore that out.  He's special and just watch the rest of his career play out.  O-Lineman like him happen once a decade, maybe.  First or fourth pick, he would have been a steal.

22 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

Hindsight is 20/20 lots of “generational” talents have been passed on. 
Ward is great and this thread is pointless 

Most threads are pointless.  Healthy Ward is great.  Nelson should be elite for 12-15 years.  Ward at age 30 at his size might be finished.

1 minute ago, Tour2ma said:

See if I get this right???

At the time we had Bito and Zeitler, no QB and weak CBs, we should have taken Nelson?

Nelson is a generational talent.  Just watch the way he run blocks.  He was the exception to rule in terms of drafting OL.  A guard that can transform an offense.  It doesn't happen until him.  Would Baker take him over skinny D.Ward.  Who knows?

13 hours ago, hoorta said:

Yeah, tia. We can use the Ghoolie arguement  here. Joe Thomas is  going to  the HOF, and how much  did that help the Browns? 

Joe Thomas was the best ever at protecting terrible QB's.  Props.  Nelson can do that and completely dominate in the run game.  Dominate.  Nelson is the heartbeat of their offense.  Thomas is HOF, but Nelson seems like a throwback.  He punishes people to the whistle.  Character guy, too.  Thomas never missed a snap because he was basically a Wal-Mart greeter.

25 minutes ago, CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS said:

This is troll bait, not even worth this comment GGs

I presented a legit conversation.  Baker and Denzel could both go to the HOF.  What do I know?

The flag should have a #56 on it and that green turd reps the rest of the league.

19 minutes ago, gumby73 said:

your kinda playing cherry picking fantasy football., but we never had a Andrew Luck to protect... before the 2018 draft, your 3 QB's are Tyrod Taylor, Drew Stanton & Kevin Hogan..your starting G's=Bitonio & Ziedler.. your starting CB's are..BBC/ Jamar Taylor & Terrance Mitchell... Q..Nelson, yes a great player..but surely not the right fit at right time..

Nelson is and was the right player for every era.  He just dominates all day, every play.

10 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Nevermind that Mark Glowinski and Braden Smith were absolute' strike-gold type picks that blossomed into their own when paired with even more young talent around them.  Forming one of the NFL's best lines on the cheap over the course of one off-season.

 

Nope, All Nelson.          A great player? yes.   Worth bitching about?  Not so much.           (Which this is - NOT a debate)

 

With respect, no way Nelson isn't the guy that transformed that line.  He made that O-Line a force that you must respect.  He's the factor, period.