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Ya know, I never watch pregame shows.  I turn on a football game when it's time for kick-off.  But that's just me.

24 minutes ago, Flugel said:

I thought about a fine too; but

I understand the power of benching the player.  It's humiliating.  But I just don't like punishing the whole rest of the team, which is what taking out your starting QB does.  The fine affects just the player.  I would just tell Watson, If you take on tacklers instead of sliding we're going to fine you and we're going to let Roger GoToHell calculate the dollar amount.    

On 5/4/2024 at 9:47 AM, Flugel said:

Any QB that confuses what he's here to do with thinking he's Larry Csonka initiating contact with LBers and DL - needs to be BENCHED by coaches or inevitable injury will do it for them.

^  Thank you.

I've said pretty much that, except I chose to Fine and not bench the player.

5 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Why not?  The RPO, built off the inside zone or even a QB centered inside zone read

As it relates to the QB I would prefer RPO be PROB. 

Pass, if ya can't pass then Run and slide if it's safe,  or throw it OB.

7 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

But Winston IMO is closer to being Joe Flacco than he is being Deshaun Watson. I don't see Winston running RPO stuff. Am I wrong? Is he more of a running threat than I think? 

Why is it sticking in my craw that somewhere I read Stef commenting on Winston and saying something like he's much more capable on the move than people think?   

4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Ironically enough, Flacco IMO fits Stefanski better than RPO QBs do.

Maybe you're right.  But I'm not sure it matters....because I don't think that Haslem & DePo care what fits Stef better.  I think those two have their vision and Berry & Stef have to march in that direction.   - Plus, Flacco is too old to hitch a wagon to.

8 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

They should have found a way to retain Flacco.

Ya know, I just don't think that they entertained that idea.  Flacco is a very old school QB.  As much as I (perhaps you, and others) would like/love that, it doesn't match the current organizational mindset.  They want backup QB's to have traits to more match Watson and the rpo style.  

1 hour ago, ballpeen said:

That;s a different topic of discussion.

Yes.

This trade was modelled after the Rams Mathew Stafford trade.  You're built to win now, but you don't have faith in your QB.  There's no way to draft one, so trade for a proven talent.  And like everything else, it's a great call if it works.

Last year at this time we had people predicting that Stef would be fired at the end of the season if Watson did not perform well.  But somehow, with defense and smart coaching he won games while alternating two pathetic QB's.  And then he altered his offense to accommodate Joe Flacco's game.  Great work by Stef.  But Trigger Finger Haslem still owns the team so It's possible that Stef only kicked the can down the road.  Two of our top superstars (Watson & Chubb) are coming off of injuries & surgeries.  We've brought in RB's to cover for Chubb...but there's only so much you can do to cover for your championship caliber QB.  Without your championship QB, you're not a championship contender.  

This will be the 3rd season for Watson.  Third time is the charm, right?  Super Bowl Browns.....Yeah! 

1 hour ago, syd said:

1984 MLB Cleveland Indians' infielder Andre Thornton ties record for most walks (6 in 16 innings)

Wow.  And he was 6'3 with quite a large strike zone.

7 hours ago, ballpeen said:

My point is my valuation is the first year of picks don't count as extra.  We received Watson in return. 

So, we traded a 1st & a 4th round pick for Watson.  Then we threw in some extra picks and they threw in a pick.  Certainly sounds better than three 1st rounders.    

Anywho, we're paid in full (outside of his salaries) on the investment.  Now, we continue to wait for a return on the investment.  And we can get back in the business of drafting on Thursday nights.  Perhaps even drafting a QB in round 1.  I mean, we can't see the future.  There's a non zero chance that Watson never returns to form.  After all, he did screw up his throwing shoulder.

3 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Such a pity. That probably set us back ten years. 

I think there's a litany of QB's that set us back a decade.  Hell, we should probably be back in the 18th century by now.

1 hour ago, ballpeen said:

I don't know, Watson was part of the trade so in my mind we gave up 2 first round picks.

The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024. 

7 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

Without a doubt my favorite moment of Fat Baker's Sophomore Season of Shit was the road game where he shows up to the stadium with a thin beard, then shaves down to a Fu Manchu at halftime, then comes to the post game loss press conference with just a moustache. 

That was some quality stuff right there. 

Did that really happen?  I totally missed that.  So he had a little 'Billy' thing goin' on?

He's gonna be The Thrasher!

19 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

Neither of those things negate the similarities in the short comings of their respective games. 

ok.  Then you're saying that the Browns made a mistake in drafting him.

3 hours ago, tiamat63 said:

Some of these knocks were the same one's we had on Corey Coleman.  Only we spent the 15th overall on that asshole.   Glad to see this front office isn't falling for similar tricks.

Coleman was predicted to go in the 1st round.  Thrash wasn't predicted anywhere near the 1st round.  This front office would have to answer some major questions if they drafted this guy in rd 1.

Finally....done with the horrble DW deal

I cannot argue that to this point it's been a bad deal.  The league suspended him for 11 games, robbing us of season 1.  Then he hurt himself while trying to run over defensive players, robbing us of season 2.  

We fans don't give much of a crap about the money he's being paid (though it affects the salary cap)...but we do care about not having three 1st round picks AND not having him able to play in games.  

Having said that, I had soured on Mayfield.  I felt like he wasn't good enough and that we were stuck with him.  There was nobody in sight to draft...even if we traded to the top of the draft.  Therefore, I felt that the Browns brain-trust felt the same as I did.  So, I cannot fault them for doing it.  I can say that I'm disappointed in how horrible the trade has been to this point.  I can blame the league and Roger GoToHell for changing the original ruling from 6 to 11 games of suspension.  I can blame Watson for acting like a dope and taking on tacklers instead of sliding.  But I can't blame them for doing the deal.  

Finally, the fact is that the deal IS NOT done.  We still have the QB.  The 'deal' marches on for as long as we have Watson.  But we're already 2 years in the hole.  He's going to have to be a better QB than Mayfield was for the next several years for the deal to be deemed beneficial.  

48 minutes ago, ballpeen said:

He was our 2nd pick.  I contend it wasn't a later round.

Actually, my 'agree to a degree' response wasn't aimed at the Zinter pick...but at your comment about later round players probably not even making the team.  I think that in the late rounds your draft philosophy is more fluid.  You might draft a guy because he's quite athletic...and you're going to try and coach him up into a good NFL player (as Tia mentioned here somewhere).  Or maybe you decide just to throw bodies at position(s) of need.  It's much the same for the undrafted guys that you reach out to.  All of these guys are players that you want to get to know and evaluate.  Even though they may not make the team, you may need some of them during the season when position(s) get decimated with injuries.  You may end up ringing up a few of them to join your practice squad...and eventually maybe need one or two on your 53 before January rolls around.  Or you'll have to pluck one or two from practice squads around the league.   

The more of those late round guys that you draft (and acquire post-draft) that turn into real football players, is the more money that you don't have to spend in FA next season.

Currently, we have a 1st round pick the next time they hold the draft.    

7 hours ago, Flugel said:

Career Stats

Top line below is BYU 2023  2nd line is UNLV 2022

CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	REC	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FUM	LST
101	485	4.8	1	36	7	33	4.7	0	12	0	0
209	1,011	4.8	9	66	23	125	5.4	1	22	0	0
2	41	20.5	1	34	0	0	0.0	0	0	0	0
5	10	2.0	0	4	0	0	0.0	0	0	0	0

Teach him how to handle a snap and have him do the QB sneaks.  John Kelly's replacement on the PS?

8 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-udfa-tracker-2024/

• OL – Javion Cohen, Miami

Seems like ya have to draft a CB each and every year.  Unwritten rule.

2 minutes ago, Ibleedbrown said:

Thrash!!!

Yeah, nothin' wrong with that name.  C'mon Thrash!  Give 'em a Thrashing!!

Well...I wanted a WR...so...I got one.  Get him to the weight room, and don't forget the hand isometrics.  

I still want a pass catching TE.

Of course, we don't get to play in today's round 1.    Fifty five players will be selected before we get to partake.  

9 hours ago, ballpeen said:

I think the team sees a potential need for an interior lineman next year and felt it had to get on this year.  If Zinter was the next highest graded player at that position, just take him and regroup tomorrow.  That's drafting for need, which flies in the face of BPA.

It's not like a lot of the players we draft from this point forward will even make the team.

I agree to a degree.  In the later rounds your drafting players that you think could help you.  Just like after the draft.  You've already got your ideas on who you'd like to sign once the draft ends and the remaining players become free agents.  

I said back in February that, for a change, we're a BPA team.  We don't have a roster full of glaring needs right now.  Yes, I wanted to target a WR and a pass catching TE.  But that's because I'm acting as a fan...and not a GM.  With no 1st round pick we HAVE TO be successful with our 2nd & 3rd round picks...and to me that means NO REACHING.  Take the best darned player available.  (obviously we wouldn't pick a QB at that point in the draft)  You can target positions in the later rounds of the draft if ya want since basically many of those guys are just glorified free agents....but the obvious goal is to find the players of good value to add to your team.  As a season wears on and players get hurt, it's the teams that did a good job of acquiring those glorified free agents that continue to fill injury holes and keep on winning.