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(I saw your Just Kidding comment) - Being pessimistic means you won't be disappointed. But I think that I'm being a realist.

Sure, we can come up with lots of exceptions. Brian Sipe was drafted in round 13. That would make him an undrafted free agent in today's draft. And there's Brock Purdy and Don Nottingham. But exceptions do not make up 'the rule'. I would wager that the vast majority of players drafted in the 6th & 7th rounds do not go on to help their team very much. I'd guess that most of them don't last in the NFL for more than a year or two. I've said before that 7th round players are basically UFA's that you don't have to coax to come to your team for training camp. Donavan Peoples-Jones was a 6th round pick. And he turned out to be a cornerbacks dream receiver. He was a 2 receptions per game guy...in today's pass-happy NFL. (forgive me DPJ as I did like your effort and the contested catches that you did make) And YES, ideally you would like to find gems in the last 2 rounds. But realistically that doesn't happen all that often. And to have 6 picks in those rounds.....I think I'd try and trade some of those picks for a couple of veterans where you know what you're getting and they can man a position that you really needed help at. And even if those veterans are stop-gap players, it buys you time until the next draft. All that said, we don't turn down compensatory picks...even if they're just 7th round picks. And if ya don't trade any picks, you draft the best guys you can and hope you found a gem.

According to draft value charts, 6th round picks don't carry much value. Certainly more than the lousy ONE draft value point that is the majority of the 7th round...but not substantial draft value points. Even in your scenario, you'd have to be using a pretty high 4th round pick to be getting yourself above the bottom of the 3rd round. Of course, the reality is, draft day trades are not governed by some sites' draft value chart. So, if you can find a sucker, er, I mean a trade partner, well, you're golden. And that does happen at every draft. Just not very often. But I do see veteran players being traded for 6th round draft picks. That's why I say we'll probably do something like that with one or more of those low value draft picks.

Possibly. But I don't think that 6th & 7th round picks have much 'move up' value at the draft. They do seem to have some value before and during the season when trading for a player. (moreso for the 6th round picks) The 2025 draft is obviously a long time off but I don't see the Browns wanting to draft 10 players...especially with 6 of 'em coming in the final 2 rounds of the draft. I mean, that's 20% of a team (almost).

6 picks in the bottom two rounds. Not much to get excited about there. I'm thinking that some of those picks will be traded away before next April.

Ya know, I never watch pregame shows. I turn on a football game when it's time for kick-off. But that's just me.

I understand the power of benching the player. It's humiliating. But I just don't like punishing the whole rest of the team, which is what taking out your starting QB does. The fine affects just the player. I would just tell Watson, If you take on tacklers instead of sliding we're going to fine you and we're going to let Roger GoToHell calculate the dollar amount.

^ Thank you. I've said pretty much that, except I chose to Fine and not bench the player.

As it relates to the QB I would prefer RPO be PROB. Pass, if ya can't pass then Run and slide if it's safe, or throw it OB.

Why is it sticking in my craw that somewhere I read Stef commenting on Winston and saying something like he's much more capable on the move than people think?

Maybe you're right. But I'm not sure it matters....because I don't think that Haslem & DePo care what fits Stef better. I think those two have their vision and Berry & Stef have to march in that direction. - Plus, Flacco is too old to hitch a wagon to.

Ya know, I just don't think that they entertained that idea. Flacco is a very old school QB. As much as I (perhaps you, and others) would like/love that, it doesn't match the current organizational mindset. They want backup QB's to have traits to more match Watson and the rpo style.

Yes. This trade was modelled after the Rams Mathew Stafford trade. You're built to win now, but you don't have faith in your QB. There's no way to draft one, so trade for a proven talent. And like everything else, it's a great call if it works. Last year at this time we had people predicting that Stef would be fired at the end of the season if Watson did not perform well. But somehow, with defense and smart coaching he won games while alternating two pathetic QB's. And then he altered his offense to accommodate Joe Flacco's game. Great work by Stef. But Trigger Finger Haslem still owns the team so It's possible that Stef only kicked the can down the road. Two of our top superstars (Watson & Chubb) are coming off of injuries & surgeries. We've brought in RB's to cover for Chubb...but there's only so much you can do to cover for your championship caliber QB. Without your championship QB, you're not a championship contender. This will be the 3rd season for Watson. Third time is the charm, right? Super Bowl Browns.....Yeah!

Wow. And he was 6'3 with quite a large strike zone.

So, we traded a 1st & a 4th round pick for Watson. Then we threw in some extra picks and they threw in a pick. Certainly sounds better than three 1st rounders. Anywho, we're paid in full (outside of his salaries) on the investment. Now, we continue to wait for a return on the investment. And we can get back in the business of drafting on Thursday nights. Perhaps even drafting a QB in round 1. I mean, we can't see the future. There's a non zero chance that Watson never returns to form. After all, he did screw up his throwing shoulder.

I think there's a litany of QB's that set us back a decade. Hell, we should probably be back in the 18th century by now.

The Browns will receive Watson and a 2024 sixth-round draft choice (which was originally a fifth-round pick), while the Texans will receive a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Did that really happen? I totally missed that. So he had a little 'Billy' thing goin' on?

He's gonna be The Thrasher!

ok. Then you're saying that the Browns made a mistake in drafting him.

Coleman was predicted to go in the 1st round. Thrash wasn't predicted anywhere near the 1st round. This front office would have to answer some major questions if they drafted this guy in rd 1.

Finally....done with the horrble DW deal I cannot argue that to this point it's been a bad deal. The league suspended him for 11 games, robbing us of season 1. Then he hurt himself while trying to run over defensive players, robbing us of season 2. We fans don't give much of a crap about the money he's being paid (though it affects the salary cap)...but we do care about not having three 1st round picks AND not having him able to play in games. Having said that, I had soured on Mayfield. I felt like he wasn't good enough and that we were stuck with him. There was nobody in sight to draft...even if we traded to the top of the draft. Therefore, I felt that the Browns brain-trust felt the same as I did. So, I cannot fault them for doing it. I can say that I'm disappointed in how horrible the trade has been to this point. I can blame the league and Roger GoToHell for changing the original ruling from 6 to 11 games of suspension. I can blame Watson for acting like a dope and taking on tacklers instead of sliding. But I can't blame them for doing the deal. Finally, the fact is that the deal IS NOT done. We still have the QB. The 'deal' marches on for as long as we have Watson. But we're already 2 years in the hole. He's going to have to be a better QB than Mayfield was for the next several years for the deal to be deemed beneficial.

Actually, my 'agree to a degree' response wasn't aimed at the Zinter pick...but at your comment about later round players probably not even making the team. I think that in the late rounds your draft philosophy is more fluid. You might draft a guy because he's quite athletic...and you're going to try and coach him up into a good NFL player (as Tia mentioned here somewhere). Or maybe you decide just to throw bodies at position(s) of need. It's much the same for the undrafted guys that you reach out to. All of these guys are players that you want to get to know and evaluate. Even though they may not make the team, you may need some of them during the season when position(s) get decimated with injuries. You may end up ringing up a few of them to join your practice squad...and eventually maybe need one or two on your 53 before January rolls around. Or you'll have to pluck one or two from practice squads around the league. The more of those late round guys that you draft (and acquire post-draft) that turn into real football players, is the more money that you don't have to spend in FA next season. Currently, we have a 1st round pick the next time they hold the draft.

Teach him how to handle a snap and have him do the QB sneaks. John Kelly's replacement on the PS?

OL – Javion Cohen, Miami