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21 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:
What I can't understand is why you first said "I've never seen any case of a throwing athlete coming back from this injury to his throwing arm" but when asked to name said players you quickly pivoted to "I've never seen a throwing athlete have this injury so Watson is the possible only point of data".
You can understand why any logical thinker would think you are literally making this up as you go, yes?
Both statements are true. I'm not sure why you see this as some kind of gotcha or where I've made something up.
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9 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:
Um, no.
You wrote: "Watson's career is over. He's going to stick it out because $150M, but the dude's shoulder is never going to be the same. He already had a noodle arm before the glenoid broke. I've never seen any case reports of a throwing athlete coming back from this injury to his throwing arm."
So I asked you to list all these pitchers and quarterbacks who have had their careers ended because of this specific injury. Apparently you didn't expect someone to actually ask you to show your work, so now it's "Well no one has ever had this injury so there can't be a chance he could recover from it..."
Are you just making stuff up as you go?
This injury has ended the careers of pro athletes in soccer and rugby and at least one NCAA football player. None of those people were required to do an overhead throw 30x a game in season. Of course my opinion can be wrong, but I don't think I am in this case. I will eat my crow if he can come back next year and sling it. I continue to predict his career as a QB is finished.
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17 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:
Give us a list of "throwing athletes" whose careers ended because of the exact injury Watson suffered.
Give me a list of QBs and baseball pitchers who have had this injury to their throwing arm.
It's an incredibly rare sports injury. The only case report I could find of it in high level athletes was a study of like 15 soccer and rugby players. The only case I know of was a college wide receiver who had it done and it ended his career. When it comes to high-level college or pro QBs/baseball pitchers with this injury, Deshaun Watson might be the only point of data there is.
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17 hours ago, D Bone said:
My fear is that the owners and the FO will at all costs force the narrative that the Watson deal is worth it and they will not keep Joe because that would just muddy the waters when the inevitable happens and Watson's best play is that of a mid tier journeyman NFL QB.
They have saddled the donkey and everyone else is going to ride it until they find a way out that they believe saves them a tiny bit of face.
This is most likely what will happen. It's what the Eagles did with Wentz after winning the Super Bowl with Foles.
21 hours ago, bbedward said:Not sure I’m in agreement about the noodle arm, watsons cannon is far above average. He never had a problem slinging it, he struggled more with the timing required to run stefanskis offense.
The reason you haven’t seen athletes come back from it is because it’s such a rare injury, but the recovery time is only 6-12 weeks I think? Seems like a relatively minor arthroscopic surgery in the scheme of things. I think he’ll be fine, and he’s definitely going to be a better option than 39 going on 40 Flacco (next year). Should we keep Flacco as a backup though, absolutely - but it’s ultimately up to Flacco who may be getting starter calls after the year. He operates the west coast/stefanski offense so beautifully that he’d be a treasure to keep in the QB room.
If Flacco can continue the winning trend, it’s kind of ironic that the Ravens are responsible for knocking Watson out for the year which is why we called Flacco
Watson threw exactly one good deep ball during his tenure as Cleveland QB1 - The pass to Cooper against the Cardinals. Everything else over 25 yards in the air looked awful. He looked like shit his last game in a Texans uniform against us too because his arm is too weak to deal with the wind and cold up north. His deep ball has never been anything but below average, and it was disguised in Houston because he was throwing to Deandre Hopkins in his prime.
And just to prove that I can say nice things about Watson, his accuracy at medium and short range plus his mobility make for a very good QB for a team down south or in a dome. It's why he was a Heisman finalist, but the lack of a long ball is the reason he's only 1-2 in the NFL playoffs.
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3 hours ago, Korsou Dawg said:
Never said he wasn't a nice guy.
Genuinely think only circumstance should allow him on our practice squad though, and he should have never played a minute. DTR should be on our practice squad, because he has talent, but he needs practice.
Next year, I am gunning for: QB1: Watson, QB2: Flacco, QB3: DTR
Watson's career is over. He's going to stick it out because $150M, but the dude's shoulder is never going to be the same. He already had a noodle arm before the glenoid broke. I've never seen any case reports of a throwing athlete coming back from this injury to his throwing arm. If we get rid of Flacco, I'm going to lose my mind.
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Really glad I voted Vance in, too bad he doesn't have enough experience to run for president this time around. I wish that rat beggar, Zelensky, would get the fuck out of our country.
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Yesterday, the Columbus Crew, Haslam's MLS team, just won their second title in four years of Haslam ownership with two different head coaches. They are one of three teams to have won the title three times. The Haslams are arguably the best owners in the MLS.
What the fuck went so wrong in Cleveland?
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The Jags defense looked atrocious. Our offense, even if we're without Cooper, has two guys who can blow the top off the defense. Flacco looked impressive with two days of practice. He should look even more comfortable. Trevor Lawrence has an ankle injury. Plus, we're back at home.
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WOOO FLAG DOESNT MATTER
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1 hour ago, hoorta said:
So effectively, it cost Carolina a first, two seconds, and a player..... For an unknown quantity. Watson was a pro bowl level known quantity.
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On 11/28/2023 at 7:45 PM, bbedward said:
If he gets us to the promised land in the next 3 years it’ll be regarded as the best trade ever in Cleveland
just I’d too early to make a determination, got a few years left before we can judge the outcome
Yeah, let's pump the brakes and see if he can even sling the football after this shoulder injury.
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22 hours ago, Unsympathetic said:
At least this trade won't be the worst in NFL history.
David Tepper and what he's currently finding a way to do in Carolina are almost at the level of needing the Stepien Rule in the NFL.. His trade for Bryce Young by itself is worse than the Watson trade, and that's the tip of the iceberg.
You're high. This trade could very well be remembered alongside the Herschel Walker, Ricky Williams, and RG3 trades.
20 hours ago, bbedward said:They only call it the worst in history given the allegations, people desperately want it to be.
so far it hasn’t worked out…but not because Watson isn’t a good player, just because of suspension and injury. Too early to judge
His allegations are only relevant because it cost him a season of the contract. Watson's guaranteed money and the fact that we gave up our future to the Texans is why it will be remembered with all the trades I mentioned above. He might never be able to throw a ball again. As of right now, the guy got a quarter of a billion dollars to throw 14 TDs.
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9 minutes ago, Korsou Dawg said:
Keep dreaming. Stats like these lose games!
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS RTG 14/29 134 4.6 1 0 0-0 73.1 The stat line doesn't take into account 8 dropped catches, 80 lost yards, and a two point conversion that came off the board.
DTR's shouldn't be the scapegoat here. Depodesta ought to be on the fucking hotseat for the situation the Browns are in.
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DTR looked fine today. Hard to have a good stat line when your receivers drop 9 passes and your offensive line repeatedly false starts you into third and long situations. Unfortunately for him, I think we see Flacco starting next week, even if DTR is not injured.
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Just now, tiamat63 said:
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Celebrating a first down during a two minute drill while you're down 11 points. kek.
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Let DTR continue to air it out. He's been let down by a lot of drops so far.
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CATCH THE FUCKING BALL
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Everyone needs to oppose this. It doesn't matter what your views are. If you support it going against a group you don't like, eventually the censorship police will come for you.
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On 11/22/2023 at 11:13 PM, calfoxwc said:
well, a simple search does the deal. "seek and you will find.....unless your bias interferes..."
The single mercy, Kugel said—if there is one to be found—is that the burned victims likely died from carbon monoxide and soot inhalation before the fire killed them. Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of*****************************************************Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities
Aaron Poris11/06/2023Warning: Graphic images. International press invited to review forensic evidence of the terror group’s October 7 massacre
Posting charred remains of children is not proof that Hamas beheaded 40 babies, which is what the original claim was. Contrary to what you think, I'm not arguing that Hamas is not a bunch of child killers with no respect for life. I'm just pointing out that you, like our president Joe Biden, are regurgitating IDF propaganda.
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Since November of 2015, when they adopted the Fox News playbook, I think it's safe to say that the answer is all of them.
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16 hours ago, Ibleedbrown said:
Your response was really confusing to me. I think he was just speculating that some of the ire directed at us from Muslims in that region stem from some shit that went down during the Reagan administration. Most likely this shit.
Your reply had stuff about “justifying 9/11” and linked events that happened in 2006. All l can figure is you thought he was driving at something totally different than how l took it.
Cal believes that 40 babies in a village heads were cut off by hamas in spite of no public evidence ever being shown of it. Remarkably, it's the one time he's taken something Biden has said at face value (even though the State Department walked back his comments later). He, and a few others here, equate my questioning of this narrative to support of Hamas, the endorsement of murder of Israeli children, and the denial of Hamas committing war crimes.
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De-escalation
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4-day ceasefire truce agreed upon by Hamas and Israel.
50 Israeli hostages held by Hamas to be exchanged for 150 Palestinian prisoners held by Israel
This just in: PJ Walker not claimed off waivers
in THE BROWNS BOARD
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Nowhere did I say that. Please reread my posts before making up a strawman.
The injury is incredibly rare, and the documented cases we have of it show that it has ended the careers of athletes in sports where overhead throws aren't a big part of it. I understand that these can be arthroscopically repaired, but it's not really the surgery that I'm concerned about. Any ortho worth his salt will be able to get that thing aligned properly in the OR. What concerns me is the healing process after the surgery, which there isn't exactly a lot of control over.
This is a normal xray. The humerus is a ball that sits in the socket of the glenoid. Watson fractured the socket. See that glenohumeral joint space? It's not very big. When bones heal, they form a callus. So even if the surgeon sets this thing properly, it's still going to make a callus, which can affect the surface of that socket. It's not a stretch to say that this will impact his throwing mechanics.
This picture above is going to happen inside that tiny glenohumeral joint space. I don't think his arm talent will ever be the same.
I disagree. I'd compare it to a piston's bearing being fucked up or trying to build a house on a bad foundation. The glenohumeral joint is the fulcrum of the shoulder and upper arm. Small changes there can have big effects on every motion of the shoulder.