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It's a serious question. Do you really believe that the guy charging him and shouting that he was going to kill Kyle and daring him to shoot posed no threat to Kyle because he was unarmed?

I wasn't necessarily referring to you. More the people who see this as affirmation that the world is run by "white supremacists." Your opinion, as much as I disagree with it, is much more level-headed than those people.

"He was unarmed and therefore not a threat to someone with a gun." The logic required to come to that conclusion honestly boggles my mind. Do you actually believe what you are saying or is this some kind of ironic troll?

I think the outcome of this trial was obvious to anyone who bothered to watch the video evidence. I can even empathize with the people who are shocked with the outcome - there's been a year of media pundits screeching about how his acquittal would be an affirmation of white supremacy, and even the president-elect labelling this kid as a white supremacist. The terms "racist" and "white supremacy" have lost all meaning at this point. I'll give credit to The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/05/kyle-rittenhouse-american-vigilante for actually bothering to try and report on the facts here, but I would expect the vast majority of idiot media is going to just double down. And yep, that's the ACLU. Jesus fuckin Christ.

1 - I don't think anyone should be coerced into an unwanted medical procedure for ANY reason. I don't think that there is any way to ethically justify it. 2 - I don't know. If she's working for any medical facility, then they get paid via CMS. The CMS mandate is strong arming all of these organizations into capitulation with their fines for non-compliance. I can empathize with the employers who have no option but to fire the non-compliant employees or shut down the whole hospital and be out of a job. As far as I know, there is no exception made for pregnant women, but I honestly haven't looked into this question. 3 - A kidney is a relatively simple organ, but when it's transplanted, it requires a consistent regimen of immunosuppressants to keep the recipient's body from rejecting the organ. A liver or a lung are much more complicated organs, and those transplants require more stringent immunosuppression. A developing fetus has all of the above organs, and as a result, all pregnant females are considerably immunosuppressed as part of the natural pregnancy process. I personally think it's batshit to take the second dose of that vaccine and the extensive immune response it provokes if you are with child. Granted, if you get COVID in your 2nd or 3rd trimester, you are likely in for an awful time and risking miscarriage, premature labor, and/or maternal death. This is a scary choice to make for any expectant mother. If I was pregnant when the vaccines came out, I'd just quarantine myself as much as I could for 2nd and 3rd trimester, and then get the vaccine afterwards.

Woody is right. The VAERS numbers don't mean a whole lot unless compared to a control. I don't think the VAERS reporting rate is only 1%, but I suspect that cases are underreported and wouldn't be surprised if it's below 50%. Anecdotally, I know two other doctors who got the vaccine and had Bell's palsy within 2 days of getting vaccinated. Only one of them bothered to seek care for it. Well yeah, when polio is crippling nursery aged children, parents obviously aren't going to wait. When you're 60, and you're seeing friends your age in the ICU with COVID, you're not going to wait either. I believed I was healthy enough to afford the luxury of waiting it out, but got it in hopes that it would reduce risk for my elderly family. The crux of the issue is that the government is coercing people, even those not at risk, into getting it.

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how did you like the stadium? I am a huge Crew fan, but haven't been to their new stadium, and I only saw FCC while they played at Nippert.

You asked for an example of mayhem, and if going to a protest with the intent of brawling with someone of a different political ideology doesn't fit your definition, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not equating that with BLM and antifa rioters burning shit down. I think most of us on the board would agree that the destruction of people's property who are just trying to make a living is much worse than being a hooligan.

I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote.

I am so excited to see this team at full strength against the European and South American teams. And Ochoa can eat a dick.

I'm sure he'll consider that quite the consolation over his PTSD and being labelled as a white supremacist by another part of America. He's going to have to go off the grid to live a normal life. Have you watched any of the coverage of protests prior to them turning into riots over the last 5 years. It's been highlight reel after highlight reel of groups of left-wing and right-wing idiots beating the shit out of each other. lol the Ric Flair dude in the back throwing haymakers showed up on 4chan later that day bragging about how he wore a burgundy sweater to blend in with antifa to better get them with a sucker punch.

Kyle already accomplished as much, regardless of the trial outcome. Anyone who willfully inserts themselves into a situation like this when they have nothing personally at stake is misguided - antifa, proud boy, this kid, all the same. For better or worse, being an idiot isn't against the law. I don't think he's committed murder, but I guess we'll see this week.

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I have seen similar anecdotes, and lots of these kids have cases severe enough to require long term follow up. The data I've presented seems to back up what I'm seeing with my eyes. I am struggling so much with the many of my colleagues who have the optimist view you bring up. They are putting herd immunity on a pedestal and minimizing that the vaccine can cause more harm than good in that pediatric population.

This will be an interesting game of chicken. The CMS mandate has teeth, whereas the OSHA mandate is IMO going to be outright overturned in court. I can tell you that there are multiple units in all 3 of the major hospitals in Cleveland that are short staffed right now - nursing and all other ancillary staff (kitchen, janitors, etc). You can make more at McDonalds flipping burgers than you can as a medical assistant shoveling shit out of patient beds. I suspect that my capacity to deliver inpatient care will be affected when Uncle Sam says the admins have to fire these people now or face massive fines.

I don't know what their motivation is. I suspect some of it is because this topic is so politicized, especially at the higher levels of the CDC. I suspect many members of AAP aren't even aware of this data I've presented. I've personally worked with pediatric doctors who emphasized that children can still be hospitalized from the virus, but didn't even discuss any of the documented side effects. If you have a better theory as to why this data is being minimized by a medical advocacy group whose first priority should be children, then I'm happy to hear it. People are rightfully angry about this. People under 18 literally can't consent to medical procedures, and now characters from kids shows are saying it's safe. This would be fine by me if Big Bird actually discussed the adverse effects too, but that doesn't happen. Tell me, would you be pissed if @SesameStreet only tweeted that 6 in 100,000 boys who get the vaccine will have myocarditis and nothing else about it?

Woody, this whole thread is no different than what you're complaining about. It's about slam dunking on those who have the audacity to question the conclusions that the medical experts are presenting. I disagree with the CDC and AAP's recommendations because they're downplaying the available data that would give people pause to get the vaccination. Their goals are at the population level, and that goal is herd immunity. As I've said in other threads, I think that it's a bad idea to increase risk of children to decrease risk of the old and fat. This is somehow a controversial viewpoint. You've demonstrated that your thread is not about data or science - you are completely capable of understanding the data I've presented, so is the CDC, so is the AAP, but they simply minimize what I've shown because it makes herd immunity tougher to attain. I'd be happy to see what data shows why my argument is wrong instead of an appeal to authority.

How is this a grift? I literally read information from my hospital encouraging people to get their children vaccinated. It argued: 1 - It's important to get kids vaccinated so we can reach herd immunity 2 - The risk for myocarditis is small, and most cases are transient 3 - Kids can still get hospitalized from COVID I looked at this and thought, "What the fuck?" Here's why: This is data published one month ago. This shows myocarditis cases per million doses administered in males across the whole country. If you look particularly at the 12-15 and 16-17 age groups, you can see that the rates for the second Pfizer dose are high. Because I don't know the numbers in each cohort, I can't just take a simple average of 39.9 and 69.1 to get a comparison to the data below, but it's safe to assume that the average would be somewhere in between those two numbers. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-10-20-21/07-COVID-Su-508.pdf This data shows weekly hospitalization rates per 100,000 kids since the pandemic got here and through August of this year. I'm interested in the dark, dotted blue line that represents the 12-17 year old age group. If you take the average of this line, you end up with a rate of somewhere between 0.7 and 1.5 hospitalizations per 100,000 kids. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm If we take the data from the first table, and normalize it to the second table by making both denominators per 100,000, then you get somewhere between 3.99 and 6.91 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 vaccinations in males. I think it would be responsible for Big Bird to discuss these numbers. Without them, I'd argue that the parents getting the vaccine for their kids don't really have informed consent that is required for any medical procedure. Does that make me a grifter, too?

I remember the first time I had it and thought it was absolutely delicious. The second time I had it, I thought it was absolutely disgusting. The difference was that I was shitfaced and it was the only place open at 1am when I had it the first time. You can put 3 pounds of shredded cheese on a turd and convince a shitfaced college student that it tastes good. Skyline is a disgrace, an affront to all that is good and decent, and worst of all, a black eye on the whole State of Ohio. The best food to come out of Cincinnati is Graeters.

Hats off to Stefanski for getting the team to play the best game they have under his tenure, in all 3 phases of the game, at a time when the season was on the line. He still needs to do more about the lack of discipline on the team. The penalties we had were negated by takeaways, and we can't count on us getting that many every week.

I am thrilled that it doesn't seem to be his non-throwing shoulder that is holding him back. I will happily eat crow. Especially for Zombo.

I'm not sure that there is data out there specifically to support or detract from that point. I did find this study from the English government that touches on it. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf#page=14 This data was collected over 3 weeks. It demonstrates that you're more likely to be hospitalized for at least one night among all age groups if you're unvaccinated. It demonstrates that you are considerably more likely to die if you are over the age of 30 and unvaccinated, compared to vaccinated people of the same age group. However, it does not control for obesity, which I'm guessing would reduce that factor in the younger age groups. I think the hospitalizations with just a 1-night stay is way too broad of a population - we call those folks bed and breakfast guests, and a lot of the time, they really don't need to be admitted. I think the questions that you're asking are fair, but I just don't know that the data we are looking for has been compiled yet. Malnutrition is the common factor in anyone that frail. Adults with BMI < 18.5 look like skeletons. The studies do not control for why people are that skinny - you'll see a lot of anorexia/bulimia in younger patients, cancers can appear at any stage of life, they're probably most common when really old and really young, or you could have some sort of neurological disease resulting in muscle weakness and atrophy. If your BMI is that low, then you are probably seriously ill and likely to get knocked out by a cold.

He's a pussy and couldn't say something to Baker or Stefanski. Instead, this goes public through his dad's twitter. Good riddance, you fuckin cancer.

Yes, in my clinical experience, age 50 is when previously healthy people start to fall victim to Father Time. I think the data below demonstrates this very well. You're not a dick for asking for data to back up your point. I don't have exactly the data that I want because I'm not sure it's been compiled yet (i.e. - what is the % of total COVID deaths are comprised of people with BMI in the normal range who are elderly). This data is about as close as I can get. As you can see, the total share of COVID deaths goes up significantly in the 50-64 age cohort. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ This is data from the CDC that stratifies bad outcomes as a function of BMI. They do a limited stratification of age, and the risk ratio compares the relative risk of the outcome by BMI. This data demonstrates a clear correlation between obesity and worse outcomes, as well as frailty and worse outcomes. This data does a better stratification of age and BMI and outcomes. x-axis is BMI, y-axis relative risk. Top row is all ages combined, bottom row is stratified by age group. The bottom right graph demonstrates that if you have a normal BMI and are age 50, you're about 10 times more likely to die than someone of the same BMI who is age 18-39. It's about the same for invasive ventilation. Risk of hospitalizations, ICU admissions, mechanical ventilation, and death all correlate nearly linearly to above normal BMI, regardless of age group. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm I actually hadn't seen this second set of data until you asked me to look it up, but it clearly reinforces what I'm seeing in my own clinical experience. These graphs show odds ratios and not exact numbers, so we can't exactly extrapolate these graphs to the percentages I initially posited. Regardless, I think my inference is a fair one, and if you disagree, I'd be happy to hear an argument against.