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Played in a Pro Bowl 1 year and led the NFL in tackles another year. That said, some people only want to remember him for the year he played with a bad hammy and missed a lot of tackles. PFF doesn't explain that nor should they have to. A lot of the same guys fussed about Jamie Collins when he wasn't nearly 100% coming off a major injury. BB snagged him immediately; and word out of NE is he was performing like a defensive MVP the first half of the 2019 season. When you surround guys like this with better players - they play better. Make sense? It should... Once upon a time, sucking it up and playing injured was a honorable trait. This is especially so on teams with depleted depth at the position the guy plays. Here's a concept that seems like a lifetime ago in Cleveland. When you spend a few years to develop a player to the extent he makes a Pro Bowl 1 year and leads the NFL in tackles another year - you've already committed yourself. Consequently, you reward yourself by keeping him while rewarding the player for meeting/exceeding the expectation. For example, an undrafted LT like Tony/T-Bone Jones. Instead of locking Schobert up - Dorsey's ego didn't draft him so he's headed for the open market auction that will pay him a higher salary than we could have extended him for a few months ago IMO. Meanwhile, we've created an opening we didn't need for the growing pains of another unknown we'll get rid of as soon as we learn he's what we wanted. Then we wonder why we have so much turnover while we look to too many learning curves explaining our record again. This game counts on chemistry, continuity and leadership. I don't know about anyone else; but I would have rather had us looking to fill only 2 LBer spots to go with both OT spots, both safety spots, 1 dual purpose TE, DL and OL depth. This draft also has some damn good WRs that could help us for less cake than we're paying OBJ, who may or may not want to be here this time around. Best examples of continuity albeit a different era. In 78 we drafted Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome in the first round. Both guys exemplified leadership, continuity and excellence at their positions while giving us long careers. Throughout their tenure, we reached the playoffs with 2 different QBs/3 different HCs in the 80s more than any other decade in my lifetime as a fan. According to Pro Bowl vet Guard Joe D, Clay played all 4 different LBer positions better than injured starter (except for the position he was projected to play for obvious reasons). He was the leader by example for so many playoff teams we had in the 80s. He had a much better football career at his position than Joe Namath had at his position. Don't believe me? Post Namath's career stats and we'll chat. He was just a better looking Trent Dilfer that won a Superbowl for the large market in NY (while he also had a much better SB than Dilfer). Ozzie was asked to become a TE here; and he had a HOF career at the position for 2 different productive QBs that counted his experience, leadership and reliability. The next HC/Management didn't come along and say "I didn't draft either guy so we're not wasting more money $ on their asss moving forward..." We've only allowed Joe Thomas that type of tenure and he earned Pro Bowl honors every year to perpetuate it. Nobody on defense and only Bitonio have come close to starting as many games here as Joe Thomas. Sorry for the rant - I just couldn't hold that stuff hostage.

He also played some really decent QB for the University of Kentucky while the rest of his team looked like an Arena Team misplaced in the SEC.

Nice read, great work! Thanks Tour! I'm not sure how quickly the supply and demand will go for teams with young QBs like Washington, NYG, NYJ, Arizona, and Cleveland. The good news is there's still teams needing a young QB that will either trade up into the top 10 aside from those that are already in the top 10. I've been wanting a good dual purpose TE; but with our ghost towns at OT, LBer and Safety positions - I wasn't thinking we'd find the opportunity to draft a TE within the 1st 3 rounds. I like what you did there with Trautman as our 2nd 3rd round pick. Prior to the combines, I saw some mock drafts with us drafting Wirfs at #10 so I've been reading up on him before I delve into watching Youtubes (which have misled me in the past emphasizing player strengths/greatest moments mostly ie; Mack Wilson). Watching him perform at Indy and trusting the coaching/player development of him under Kirk Ferentz has me liking that. Those powerful quads made him a very reliable 4 year starter for Ferentz. However, Andrew Thomas has been my fave all along. Having said all that, Wills looked incredible with his lateral movement yesterday. Even though he was a RT, that was the blind side of Bama's left handed QB (Tua). While Becton ran a great 40 for a guy his size - he also pulled a muscle on a night he should have been well prepared for. The 40 will increase his popularity; but does he have the fitness for the demands of his position for reliability/consistency up against the explosive edge rushers? Remains to be seen. Kiper thinks Washington should take him and I wouldn't hate that. I think we will have some really good options at LT with the #10 overall. Braun, who was coached up by former Cleveland Brown Safety/PR Jim Leonard would be an ideal addition. He'd also help our pass rush off an edge. Although it kind of sucks knowing now that Schobert has been trained/developed into the LBer he looked like he'd be (one that could lead the NFL in tackles and INT passes 3 weeks in a row) - someone else will have to benefit because John Dorsey didn't draft him so the ego creates an opening we didn't need IMO.

Hoorta, you need to take a shitt to get that bug outta your asss. You showed up late with twisted nipples that weekend Gorka's keyboard was on steroids. Since then, you've tried to paint Dutch as a troll - mostly because you don't share his opinions lately. This was a really good topic of discussion with some good ideas you wouldn't allow yourself to accept or appreciate. You've a always been a good moderator especially when you haven't needed to announce you are one. Now get a hold of yourself, take inventory and exhale!

1 former board member would have told us he did that in 6th grade with 1 hand while the other hand was taking inventory of Miss Ohio's groin. Then he would have forgotten how many times he already told us offensive linemen are a dime a dozen while Joe Thomas was making 10 consecutive Pro Bowls.

Our former OL Coach (Kirk Ferentz) did some research on him and Wirfs started all 4 years for him at Iowa. One scout wrote he's the only OL/LT to accomplish that honor under Ferentz. Another said he saw him as an OG (like Eric Steinbach and Robert Gallery transitioned into). Those Underwear Olympic metrics might have that scout rethinking it while he's glad nobody attached his name to it.

Speaking of Santa Claus, you might want to tell him you need a new cell phone because that's a hot mess above.

Thanks for sharing this! The last time we picked a LT named Thomas he went to 10 consecutive Pro Bowls for us. During his rookie year (2007), he played next to a very productive veteran LG Eric Steinbach and we went 10-6.

In other words, your buddy Flugel put his foot in his mouth again - which would have been fine if it didn't have a brand new Nike sneaker on it. Having said that, I'd like to thank Tony Grossi for reminding me there's always someone ready and willing to be dumber.

Gipper's cell phone has been invaded by crickets. We're sorry for any inconvenience this has caused.

I prefer old school football at all times too! I like where you are trying to go in this thread about the Lakefront in between all the bullshit you're getting. I grew up (as debatable as that is) in Western, NY. And Buffalo is as close as it gets to the type of City Cleveland is. They had the steel mills and they have a Lakefront. Since the year 2000, they have been upgrading the lakefront to get people to want to go there. People really like going there today; because of the reasons (plural) they added to do so. Once upon a time, going to Cleveland and partying in the flats was a blast - especially for Browns fans visiting from out of town. Since that changed, I see some untapped opportunity on the lakefront. Back to the retractable roof idea, if we had one during the Playoff Game Brian Sipe threw an INT vrs the Raiders - it would have changed everything about the way this franchise is perceived since the Superbowls started. Don Cockroft was missing 30 yard FGs into the wind in pre-game warm-ups to get an idea of how impactful the weather conditions were on that outcome. Today's game is even more dependent on the passing game than it was when we had an NFL MVP at QB. All of the rules dictating this have opened me up to the unthinkable idea of football under a roof in December and January might be the way to go. And when you're never winning at least half your games - good luck getting new millennials and females excited about getting off the couch for below zero wind chills....

Classic stuff Gumbs! I just lost a mouth full of Stella on your "Sadly, my years of 'Nobodies Home' Bloody Mary morning scouting"

I remember back when I played Freshman Football, the guy next to me (our RT) was an animal and he was huge. But I felt like it was an extended football version of "Of Mice and Men." Every freakin time we broke the huddle and got to the line of scrimmage - I'd hear a real deep man's voice asking "FLUGEL WHAT'S IT ON MAN?" So, I replied just as loud "IT'S ON ONE NEIL!" So, this happened like 5 straight plays and we're still going on 1 not about to change it any time soon. Anyway, the next time we got up to the line of scrimmage - the DT I was going against says "Flugel, I got this. It's on 1 Neil." After the play, the same guy asks me "Is Neil the only guy out here that doesn't know you guys are going on 1 every play?" The only reply I could give him was "We'd like to be able to go on 2 or 3 but we're just not smart enough yet!" He laughed and said "If it makes you feel any better it's starting to phuck me up." I had some really good battles with this kid but I enjoyed his comic relief. In case you're wondering, after a couple false starts - we were eventually able to go on 2. That didn't stop our HC from trying to preach to anyone that would listen that the day of the dumb football player is over... If you took our team picture, people wouldn't know if it was a football team or an entire class of Summer School Students....

That character is overrated feeling Dorsey brings with him everywhere sure seems to be shortening up his FO tenures.

Or Yao Ming where Made in China = Stayed on sideline.

Thanks for the AFLAC commercial.

Thanks Tia! I agree teams had to game plan for him and he is a force. No argument. You did a really good job explaining your pov and backing it with video here so I'll forgive that picture you shared... Where I will argue is how great I see him being in at the next level, which takes us back to the context of my post before you replied to. He's great at this level but I'll stop shy of putting up at the #2 overall even if he's great at the Underwear Olympics this week. For example, in the 1st 2 minutes of your video, Wisconsin wasn't afraid to run at him or his side of the field at all. And when they did so they did it with success without needing double teams. Ohio State lined him up on both sides of the formation, so yes there was a WB/FB lined up to help with pass pro when he took an outside charge on the RT in the play you mentioned at 10 sec. I'm not nearly as confident as you are that he will be the same type of force Nick Bosa is against the run at the next level to justify the #2 overall slot/talent. I think his pass rush skills make him deserving of an elite round 1 spot but not up as high as #2 IMO. That said, he's going to have to get used to getting chipped and seeing those 3 step drop quickie passes that keep some QBs hassle-free at the next level. The question I have is how well does he defend the run especially when it comes right at him. We shall see...

Thanks for your insights so I'll reply to you and Tia together here. What you said above is exactly what I already said. If he goes inside - there's a double team with the LG (and that WB/RB heads off to the flat or short hook zone). If he goes outside, there's a chip from the WB/RB. So far, we're on the same page... 2 ifs don't add up to a triple team though - they make a pass pro scheme aimed at protecting areas/gaps/QB 1-2 yards behind the LOS with the QB in a 3 step drop/quick throw. Consequently, there's only 1 Badger pictured having immediate contact with Young and it sure looks like Young is the one initiating that contact. If this was a true double team, the Inside Guy is supposed to be the post man (LG) and the outside guy (LT) is the drive man; but it's a PASS play - so we see 3 guys hinging off the blindside of QB 1-2 yards behind the line of scrimmage in a pass pro... The 1st steps of LG and Wing back are both toward the LT sealing off area/space in between. What we don't know is if a 2nd or 3rd blocker is ever even engaged in contact. Let's not make this sound like all 3 guys flew off the ball as a designated point of attack to try to remove and pulverize Young in a running game. Above all, 3 step drops are quick passes so we're looking at a pass pro scheme instead of 3 guys blocking Young. I'd be interested in seeing the rest of that play; because there's some interesting stuff taking place with the right foot of LT and left foot of LG. I made a point that Young didn't have any sacks in his last 3 games (Michigan, Wisconsin in the Big 10 Championship, and Clemson) and there were 7 games in 2018 where he didn't have any. On a board full of Ohio State fans (including myself), my questioning if Young deserves to be the #2 overall pick in this draft (especially for the Redskins for the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread) was going to be challenged and unpopular. I like your point about about Washington trading down.

I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more: 1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers. 2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship. 0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet" 0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know... 0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota 0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo 0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say

There is no triple team in your picture. It's a pass protection scheme where there's only 1 pass rusher (Chase) pictured to the left of Center. In fact, can you even see any other defenders on that side? If so, your buddy Flugel needs new contact lenses. Considering it's only a 3 step drop from QB - my guess is the WB/FB in formation is more to bait/leverage Young toward the OG so the QB has an additional option to pass to the WB in uncontested space if he's not comfortable throwing to the Receiver running over the middle in the picture. It's not a triple team when only 1 blocker engages a DL with a wing-back lined up to the left/outside and behind the LT (still 1 yard behind the LT's left foot in the picture) meaning the chip isn't even required if Young chooses the inside path. The LG is actually planting his left forearm into the back of his teammate playing LT while I see his left foot right behind the LT's right foot. If I had to guess, this isn't a cup protection seeing where the RG and RT are in the picture. It looks more like a Reach (on the right side of Center) and Hinge (on the left side) pass pro. If 3 guys ever block 1 guy at once, someone needs an id ten t form which looks like this if we use all caps and a digit. ID10T. Again, only the LT has engaged Young in your picture so we're going to disagree about a triple team. I can assure you JJ Watt rarely ever gets stopped by RBs trying to chip him. He's also beaten a ton of double teams from Guard-Tackle tandems upfront prior to running right through RBs on the way to countless sacks/QB hurries. Like I already showed, the last 3 opponents of Young's college career combined to hold him to 0 sacks. The year before, 7 opponents were able to do this. I don't see the next Reggie White or Bruce Smith here. All that being the case, coupled with Washington's current situation I already covered - the pick of the litter at LT is Washington's BPA at #2.

Thatta boy D-Bone! Rumor has it Steeler fans try the same thing on a metal unicorn.

1 patty cake session from Chase Young doesn't change my opinion that he is not the ideal #2 overall pick for the Washington Redskins in lieu of the best LT right now. I'm not going to re-type what I already wrote. If he played for Michigan - this wouldn't even be a debate. Anyway, as we see in the picture #37 will give a quick chip (if necessary) prior to heading out to the flats for his QB. Meanwhile #76 at LG looks like his left foot is getting tangled up with the LT's foot to the extent he's about to trip and fall down. This is a double team set up for either side of Tackle that Young is only going to play patty cake with. Keep in mind what the picture is showing you. Center blocking NT, RG locked up on DT and RT locked up edge rusher. Young looks like the only defender lined up left of Center. When I watch guys like Reggie White, Michael Strahan, Nick Bosa and JJ Watt at the NFL level - they all have shown they could collapse an entire side of a protection, which ain't happening in your picture. These guys all had a power and leverage that made them more than a beat someone with speed only type. White was 320 lbs and rumored to run 4.7 forties back when that was unheard of to go with his unparalleled strength and power. All of them have faced what you see in the picture above and whipped it's asss with a blend of superior leverage, ideal power/strength and quicks....

Come on Gipper - I was on the same roll Belushi was on in Animal House. And btw nobody ever answered his question - "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pear Harbor?" For some absurd reason, I thought he once owned/partially owned the team before/when it first joined the NFL (long before Modell arrived). I miss the days when I didn't have to think about who the owners were. Last week, feels like such a long time ago.

Rather than ripping down Browns Stadium long before it's a fossil, couldn't they just add a retractable roof to it? If we're going to get really open-minded here, why not bring Paul Brown's franchise here for the 8 games Cleveland plays away - so the football fans in Ohio finally have a chance to see 6-8 wins in the stadium on Lake Erie? Paul Brown was the only good owner we've had and same with Cincy. Cincy wanted to keep the orange and brown colors and tradition Paul started so why not do so in the only place Paul Brown won multiple Pro Football Championships? Cincy can change their name to the Ohio Junior Varsity. When Roger finally gets his dream of putting another NFL franchise in London or Toronto or Mexico - we can finally combine the 2 Ohio teams (that would already be playing here) and put Mike Brown/family out of their misery of tarnishing what Paul started. That, or we could have a contest to see what ownership deserves the blended teams by then... If they both keep on keepin on - let the owner's spouses mud wrestle for it. Loser at least gets the money the winner has to pay in buy-out. The Winner gets to keep playing Charlie Brown trying to kick the game winning points with Lucy holding. The fans get to keep reminding themselves how much they appreciate Ohio State - where winning is a tradition!

It seems like the Redskins have been in Queer Eyes for Alabama guys mode for their front 7 in recent years. They drafted Jonathan Allen and Daron Payne in the 1st rounds of 2017 and 2018. They also acquired ILB Reuben Foster last year if he ever remembers he's just as good at football as he is at getting into trouble. Washington also drafted OLB/Edge Rusher Montez Sweat from Miss State in round 1 last year. Even though he's getting up there in years - they also still have a productive Ryan Kerrigan with a cap hit reflecting such reliability for them over the years. Lost in translation is that's 3 consecutive years of first round guys (with 2 of them at DE/OLB). If they have to go right back to front 7 guys - they might want to re-evaluate who the Hell is spending all these picks in just 1 area of a team that that hasn't been making the climb into playoff contention. It seems to me like the War of the Roses divorce Washington has had with their worn and torn LT Trent Williams (now entering season #12) should have them looking first and foremost at LT. Considering they drafted a QB in the 1st round last year, they might want to pursue a protection of this investment at LT with the pick of the litter a #2 overall pick gift wraps for them. While Chase Young is a great idea for most teams near the top of round 1 - Wundumson here thinks the Redskins would only Chase their tail if they blow off LT. I'm an Ohio State fan but Chase Young really cooled off during the BIG Games at the end with 0 for his final 3 (making people wonder if Michigan put somewhat of a truth serum on film for others to follow).. In saying such a thing - here you go: 0 sacks vrs Michigan followed by 0 sacks vrs Wisconsin (Big 10 Championship) followed by 0 sacks vrs Clemson. In 2018, 0 sacks vrs Michigan (and 0 sacks vrs 7 opponents overall) while teams that rarely equip the NFL with starting Tackles like Maryland, Northwestern and Rutgers all gave him 2 sacks apiece. I think he's a great prospect; but he's not Nick Bosa in terms of brute strength and ideal leverage (that gets up under OTs and removes their legs repeatedly perpetuating the dominance he has). I don't see this to the same extent in Chase Young if I'm being honest here. I see a great prospect that needs more than me rooting for Ohio State to justify #2 overall on him here. I've been wrong before though...