Sanzenbacher

[Nw220]

Yeah I like Sanzenbacher as well i wouldnt mind taking a late round pick out of him he reminds me a lil bit of Brian Hartline cant believe no one has made that comparsion yet, they seem to be about the same..He also slipped in the draft if i recall and the Dolphins now love him

 

Btw the kid from Villianova is gonna be a beast in the next level Scuzur hes the next Wes Welker in my opinion, watch some youtube clips of him if you've never seen him play

[ATENEARS]

Looks like it's only KardDawg and his racist comments toward Sanzenbacher that oppose nabbing this kid in the later rounds.

[Squintz]

Looks like it's only KardDawg and his racist comments toward Sanzenbacher that oppose nabbing this kid in the later rounds.

 

The only problem is he won't be there in later rounds.

 

This is the premier copycat league. That's why Hartline, who isn't half the WR Sanz is, went in the 4th round. Hell, Anthony Gonzo went in round 1! Dane won't last past round 3.

[Harry Buffalo]

Except I ws in favor of James Laurinaitis being drafted(got screwed in the Probowl voting this year) by us and would love Cam Heyward in the 2nd.

 

He had a really good game in the Sugar Bowl. I don't think he had any sacks, but he had constant pressure on Mallet and had a few QB hits. Most importantly he hurt his elbow and his knee in the game and he just kept the motor running and just kept playing at a solid good level. Plus he also lined up at DT a few times as well.

[BrownsKidd]

People talk about "seperation". You know, after a big passing play, and when they review the footage, many times, the D makes a mistake allowinig the seperation. Guys, you have to sometimes throw the ball and let the guys make the plays. Yes, getting seperation helps, but it's not always there.

 

I work with a guy who is at every home game and has had season tickets for 30 years (not that it makes him an expert), but a few weeks ago, I asked him, are the WR getting seperated, are they getting open. He said yes and no. Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't. Our QB's haven't been making the throws or seeing the seperation.

 

A good example is from last night. Look at the pass that Mallet completed in the endzone. That WR was not "seperated", he was not wide open. The coverage was decent. What happened there was a well run route and a perfectly thrown ball. The replay showed that the Ohio State D-back was only inches from tipping the ball, but the ball was thrown perfectly and caught for the TD. A well thrown ball can beat good coverage and the great QB's prove that. When Colt developes and has time to meld with our WR's, more things are going to happen. We just have to be patient.

[Mr. T]

He is a football player all the way around and runs great routes, you dont have to go to far back when people were overlooking Anthony Gonzalez. And he proved a lot of scouts wrong.

 

But for Sanzenbacher I believe he was a walk on at Ohio State. the young man sure knows how to hustle and make the best out of every opportunity.

[Nw220]

i am also all for Haywerd in the second round and did want us to take Laurnatius or Maulaga in the 2nd that year didnt know why we couldnt have grabed one of them instead of Robo, but yeah if Heyward does slip as many people do suggest i want him with are second pick

[Tour2ma]

Definitely need to address our Samoan deficit at some point...

 

I like Heyward for DE in the 3 - 4 if that's what we'll be playing... Holmgren's a 4-3 guy though...

 

R3 seems about right for Dane, but combine always shakes things up.

 

[hoorta]

I like Sanzebacher a lot. He'll be a great third down specialist. Someone like New Orleans, Indy, or the Patriots will make him look like a steal because they have great QBs.

 

We need a serious guy first and foremost, a "foundational receiver." I do think the QB makes the WR... but I don't think all WRs were created equal. Guys who can get open and make catches make life easier for QBs, obviously. Guys who can make plays even when they're not open? Even better.

 

The Browns have a bunch of iffy 2s and decent 3s. Muhammed might be a 2 and Robiskie has some #3 to him, a dependable but not flashy guy who can't possibly face starting corners.

 

Gosh I actually have to agree with you Shep. We already have a bunch of #2s and #3s on the Browns, and that 's what Dane is. Is he better than say, Stuckey? Not particularly big 5'11", 180, or fast. You have to worry about him getting jammed at the line at the next level.

 

Problem is- some team with not a lot of needs is going to see another Gonzalez or Hartline and take him way before the Browns can afford to.

 

Let's see, in roughly descending order the Browns need.... #1 WR, BPA defense (DE, LB interchangeable), RT, more D help (upgrading Elam or another corner,OR LBer). IMO that means the Browns can't go fishing for second tier WR help before the fifth round- and Sanz will be long gone by then.

[hoorta]

You must have had an awful lot beer, anteater. We need real help at wr not some local white boy you have a man crush on. we have plenty of stuckeys and robiskies that can catch a football ... how about a guy that can get actual separation??

 

Yeah, AG Green is DA BOMB.

 

But seriously, Ate says he sees Brian Brennan in him, and he's right. No shortage of OSU homers around here. And we don't care if the guy is black, white, pink, or green.

 

 

 

[FearTheRoo]

this is a JOKE. Just because a guy played for OSU that doesn't make him the greatest WR ever. How'd Ted Ginn work out? robiskie? yeah....

 

His biggest TD of his career was a fumble recovery in the endzone when the ball went right too him. So, unless we are planning on fumbling the ball a lot, no thanks.

[kshutchins]

Gosh I actually have to agree with you Shep. We already have a bunch of #2s and #3s on the Browns, and that 's what Dane is. Is he better than say, Stuckey? Not particularly big 5'11", 180, or fast. You have to worry about him getting jammed at the line at the next level.

 

Problem is- some team with not a lot of needs is going to see another Gonzalez or Hartline and take him way before the Browns can afford to.

 

Let's see, in roughly descending order the Browns need.... #1 WR, BPA defense (DE, LB interchangeable), RT, more D help (upgrading Elam or another corner,OR LBer). IMO that means the Browns can't go fishing for second tier WR help before the fifth round- and Sanz will be long gone by then.

 

Thank you. I'm tired of seeing perfectly catchable balls bounce off receivers' hands. I find it disturbing when a commentator remarks that the defender is running a better route than the receiver. (I don't usually put much stock in what the commentators say but in this case he was correct.) I'm tired of seeing our receivers out of position or letting a catch get away without a fight. I want to watch a guy who can make not only the routine catches but the miraculous ones when necessary.

 

[The Gipper]

I'm a HUGE TOSU and Browns fan but I don't understand why after every college football season ends someone always asks, "wouldn't so and so from TOSU be a great addition to the Browns?"

 

Sanzenbacher career stats (before last night) 115 receptions, 1811 yards, 15 TD's

 

Robiskie's college stats 127 receptions, 1866 yards, 24 TD's. How's he working out for us?

 

 

Fair statement. The difference perhaps is that Sanzenbacher played in college the position he will probably play in the pros: the 'slot' receiver position. Plus by all viewpoints Sanzenbachers hands are far superior, as is his route running.

[The Gipper]

You must have had an awful lot beer, anteater. We need real help at wr not some local white boy you have a man crush on. we have plenty of stuckeys and robiskies that can catch a football ... how about a guy that can get actual seperation??

 

 

The thing is, Sanzenbacher DOES get a lot of separation...at least against the college competition he faces.

It is not pure go pattern up top speed separation, but the guy is constantly open in the routes he runs. (and he is a lot faster than people think.)

 

In fact, if the Browns want to go WCO, this guy may be a perfect sort of fit for that. The guy that can get that separtion you want in a shorter 10-12 yard pattern.

[Harry Buffalo]

this is a JOKE. Just because a guy played for OSU that doesn't make him the greatest WR ever. How'd Ted Ginn work out? robiskie? yeah....

 

His biggest TD of his career was a fumble recovery in the endzone when the ball went right too him. So, unless we are planning on fumbling the ball a lot, no thanks.

 

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the conversation we are not saying he is the best WR of all time, we are saying that he is going be a really good #2 or slot option and it would be awesome if he slipped far enough to warrant us taking him in say the 5th round (which won't happen) just because your all upset of Akron being the worst thing in college football (most popular sport) and the best thing in soccer (least popular) doesn't mean you have to be one of those anti Ohio State players are never going to do shit guys, especially since your team never produces a pro product ever.

 

Oh and I say the best catch of his career was against Michigan when Posey deflected the ball and Sanz ajusted to it, made the catch, and scored the TD.

[The Gipper]

Pierre Garcon played D3 and that guy has gay hair, you prob have the same cut.

 

I never said i was awesome, but i was coached well and i have passed that on to those i have coached. i understand the position more than you could ever wish anteater. and snatchenpecker is not nfl stuff period

 

 

OK, other than the fact that he is white, what are your reasonings for claiming that?

I will assume those reasons are not any of the following:

A. That he cannot hold onto the football

B. That he has shown an inability to get open in the seams of a zone.

C. That he has not been productive

D. That he does not have a nose for the end zone.

E. That he is not quick enough.

F. That his is not tough enough. (he certainly has shown he will go over the middle)

 

The only things I guess is that he is not huge at 5'11" and that he does not have burner 4.3 40 time speed.

(But no one would ever draft him to be their up top burner).

 

So, just what is it?

 

Personally, I could see picking him up in a 4th round or below.

[The Gipper]

Maybe if you took the time to actually read the conversation we are not saying he is the best WR of all time, we are saying that he is going be a really good #2 or slot option and it would be awesome if he slipped far enough to warrant us taking him in say the 5th round (which won't happen) just because your all upset of Akron being the worst thing in college football (most popular sport) and the best thing in soccer (least popular) doesn't mean you have to be one of those anti Ohio State players are never going to do shit guys, especially since your team never produces a pro product ever.

 

I will defend Akron U. here a bit. The Zips have produced Jason Taylor, a borderline HOF candidate, plus the likes of:

Dwight Smith who had 2 interception returns for TDs in the Tampa Bay Bucs Super Bowl win.

Plus Domenik Hixon, a good WR

Don't forget Charlie Frye (OK, you can forget him if you want)

And Ed Grimsley!

 

 

No, really. Ed Grimsley, Akron U Grad, played 1 year with the Colts in 1987

[CincyBrownsFan]

I'm a HUGE TOSU and Browns fan but I don't understand why after every college football season ends someone always asks, "wouldn't so and so from TOSU be a great addition to the Browns?"

 

Sanzenbacher career stats (before last night) 115 receptions, 1811 yards, 15 TD's

 

Robiskie's college stats 127 receptions, 1866 yards, 24 TD's. How's he working out for us?

 

Good Point.

[DawgTracker]

I agree 100%. He is quick and catches the ball, a couple of things this team needs

[ATENEARS]

Thank you. I'm tired of seeing perfectly catchable balls bounce off receivers' hands. I find it disturbing when a commentator remarks that the defender is running a better route than the receiver. (I don't usually put much stock in what the commentators say but in this case he was correct.) I'm tired of seeing our receivers out of position or letting a catch get away without a fight. I want to watch a guy who can make not only the routine catches but the miraculous ones when necessary.

 

You want to see a good example of a defender running a route better than the receiver, see the Red-Right-88 video. Ozzie Newsome gets out-played by his defender moreso than Sipe throws a bad pass, IMO.

[Bob806]

Wow, I never realized my opinion on Sanzenbacher could touch off such a firestorm.

 

I don't care if he played for tOSU, Michigan, USC, Duke....my point was he just makes plays.

 

Peace!!

[The Gipper]

Wow, I never realized my opinion on Sanzenbacher could touch off such a firestorm.

 

I don't care if he played for tOSU, Michigan, USC, Duke....my point was he just makes plays.

 

Peace!!

 

 

I understand that one can question whether a guy that "makes plays" in college will also be able to do so with the NFL.

 

But then, that is the crapshoot of a draft.

 

Could Jamarcus Russell make plays in college? Ryan Leaf? How about this list from ESPN in 2008. Top 50 draft busts ever (Russell isn't even on here):

 

FROM LEAF TO WESTBROOK

 

1. Ryan Leaf, Chargers (1998)

2. Lawrence Phillips, Rams (1996)

3. Art Schlichter, Colts (1982)

4. Heath Shuler, Redskins (1994)

5. Charles Rogers, Lions (2003)

 

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6. Keith McCants, Buccaneers (1990)

7. Johnny "Lam" Jones, Jets (1980)

8. Mike Junkin, Browns (1987)

9. Bo Matthews, Chargers (1974)

10. Jerry Tagge, Packers (1972)

 

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11. Jim Drukenmiller, 49ers (1997)

12. Andre Ware, Lions (1990)

13. Reggie Rogers, Lions (1987)

14. Joe Profit, Falcons (1971)

15. Huey Richardson, Steelers (1991)

 

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16. Peter Warrick, Bengals (2000)

17. David Klingler, Bengals (1992)

18. Derek Brown, Giants (1992)

19. Tim Couch, Browns (1999)

20. Curtis Enis, Bears (1998)

 

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21. Steve Niehaus, Seahawks (1976)

22. Blair Thomas, Jets (1990)

23. Kelly Stouffer, Cardinals (1987)

24. Tony Sacca, Cardinals (1992)

25. Tim Worley, Steelers (1989)

 

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26. Jack Thompson, Bengals (1979)

27. Walt Patulski, Bills (1972)

28. Tony Mandarich, Packers (1989)

29. Todd Blackledge, Chiefs (1983)

30. Aaron Gibson, Lions (1999)

 

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31. Todd Marinovich, Raiders (1991)

32. Andre Johnson, Redskins (1996)

33. Leeland McElroy, Cardinals (1996)

34. Craig Powell, Browns (1995)

35. Mike Elkins, Chiefs (1999)

 

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36. Russell Erxleben, Saints (1979)

37. Patrick Bates, Raiders (1993)

38. Dan McGwire, Seahawks (1991)

39. Trezelle Jenkins, Chiefs (1995)

40. Cade McNown, Bears (1999)

 

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41. Reggie Rembert, Jets (1990)

42. Akili Smith, Bengals (1999)

43. Mike Mamula, Eagles (1995)

44. Jonathan Sullivan, Saints (2003)

45. John Clay, Raiders (1987)

 

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46. Alex Van Dyke, Jets (1996)

47. Maurice Clarett, Broncos (2005)

48. David LaFleur, Cowboys (1997)

49. Jon Harris, Eagles (1997)

50. Michael Westbrook, Redskins (1995)

 

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So, I guess you could do worse than taking Sanzenbacher in the 4th round.

These guys have Tim Couch on here, but they are a bunch of idiot lemmings. The Browns have had at least 5-6 worse top draft picks than Couch the last 10-13 years: Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, William Green, Braylon Edwards, and maybe a couple others.

[DawgTracker]

this is a JOKE. Just because a guy played for OSU that doesn't make him the greatest WR ever. How'd Ted Ginn work out? robiskie? yeah....

 

His biggest TD of his career was a fumble recovery in the endzone when the ball went right too him. So, unless we are planning on fumbling the ball a lot, no thanks.

 

The corollary to this is that he doesn't suck just because he played for OSU. They have produced many good NFL receivers. And it seems to me that he caught a td pass in that game too. He isn't a number 1 but he can be a good receiver in the NFL. I feel better about him that I did Robo, I was shocked when we picked robo in the 2nd. Maybe Sanzenbacher will have the same problem carter had "All he does is catch touchdowns". And I am not implying that he will be as good as Chris Carter who was a decent OSU receiver

 

[The Gipper]

The corollary to this is that he doesn't suck just because he played for OSU. They have produced many good NFL receivers. And it seems to me that he caught a td pass in that game too. He isn't a number 1 but he can be a good receiver in the NFL. I feel better about him that I did Robo, I was shocked when we picked robo in the 2nd. Maybe Sanzenbacher will have the same problem carter had "All he does is catch touchdowns". And I am not implying that he will be as good as Chris Carter who was a decent OSU receiver

 

Sanzenbacher is faster than CC was....but not as tall.

 

[hoorta]

You want to see a good example of a defender running a route better than the receiver, see the Red-Right-88 video. Ozzie Newsome gets out-played by his defender moreso than Sipe throws a bad pass, IMO.

 

Ate, I was there in what was to become the Dawg Pound, and the play happened right in front of me- not only should Sipe have thrown the ball away, it was underthrown on top of it. Newsome didn't have a chance.

 

[rich4eagle]

Ate, I was there in what was to become the Dawg Pound, and the play happened right in front of me- not only should Sipe have thrown the ball away, it was underthrown on top of it. Newsome didn't have a chance.

 

That was sams fault he should have kicked the field goal

[calfoxwc]

NflDraftscout has Sanzenbacher as a 7th round pick.

 

He'd make a great fifth rounder for the Browns, if he really lasts long enough.

 

He isn't necessarily "slow" though:

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Name: Dane Sanzenbacher

College: Ohio State Number: 12

Height: 5-11 Weight: 182

Position: WR Pos2:

Class/Draft Year: Sr/2011

40 Time: 4.58 40 Low: 4.48 40 High: 4.67

Projected Round: 7 Stock:

Rated number 27 out of 349 WR's 220 / 2602 TOTAL

[ATENEARS]

The guys on this tape have nothing on Sanzenbacher ... he can kick too.

 

[KardDawg]

a freshman but when it comes to college I would just rather focus on my education at a bigger name school that people recognize so it's easier to get a job than go to some no name private school, pay 3 times as much money, and play football for a crowd of 112.

 

Playing Div III really don't mean you more than any body who played pee wee to high school.

 

I'm sure you were a great left tackle, but I have to laugh at you making fun of a private school education. I never said I was some kind of super athlete because I played D3 ball, I was just pointing out to anteater that I was coache at the position and I coached the position ... I know what im talking about.

 

[KardDawg]

Looks like it's only KardDawg and his racist comments toward Sanzenbacher that oppose nabbing this kid in the later rounds.

 

Who cares who we nab in the later rounds? When has a 6th or 7th round WR ever made it with the Browns? there is a reason they are still around at the end of the draft, they aren't going to win any football games for ya. every once in a while you unearth a diamond, but believe me, it ain't little snatchenpecker.